Need help with pick 5 wheels....

Reply #25

Maryland — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:26:49 GMT

Thanks

Reply #24

BobP — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 06:20:55 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Maryland on January 30, 2006 BobP, if you would be so kind to give us a little tutorial on covermaster. The basics are simple but when you talk about wheel built on a wheel gets confusing to me. Screenshots of the reports with explanation would be nice also . Like I don't know what var means in the optimizer window.

It's really simple, but you get more creative the more you use the program. I also suggest you download the doc.zip.

Let's say you want to build a 4... [ More ]

Reply #23

Maryland — Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:43:17 GMT

BobP, if you would be so kind to give us a little tutorial on covermaster. The basics are simple but when you talk about wheel built on a wheel gets confusing to me. Screenshots of the reports with explanation would be nice also . Like I don't know what var means in the optimizer window.

Reply #22

BobP — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:09:14 GMT

Thanks CalifDude, as this needs to be addressed. An optimal wheel is a wheel that 100% covers a prize tier guarantee in the fewest possible combinations. For example the wheel that 100% guarantees a 3if6 win using 49 numbers in 163 combinations. What most players don't understand about this wheel, is it's really a 3if3in22 number wheel scabbed together with a 3if4in27 number wheel which combined guarantee 3if6 no matter how the numbers fall.The problem is we don't play this wheel to win the 3... [ More ]

Reply #21

CalifDude — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:40:23 GMT

A pick 5 wheel with a guarantee of 5 correct:12 numbers would be 792 tickets13 numbers would be 1,287 tickets

Reply #20

Cashman87 — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:33:18 GMT

Cool!! Thanks guys!I wouldn't mind playing 1000 combos if I was sure one of them would yield the $30k or more jackpot.I'd treat it like an investment....if I'm 90% sure, then, atleast 1 out 4-5 tries will get it.

Reply #19

luckieStarr — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:19:38 GMT

I would play the 25 numbers straight and get computer picks...which actually wheel the numbers just played

Reply #18

CalifDude — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:46:47 GMT

I have 3 programs, including CoverMaster, that makes wheels. I also use wheels at other sites and the ones found here on Lottery Post. There are none better than those found on LP. The programs will produce wheels, but they are not usually optimum. I have put a lot of them into Excel spreadsheets to make it easy to use.

Reply #17

BobP — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:08:15 GMT

Cashman, if you don't have CoverMaster you can get a copy of the older version v54 here http://www.lotto-logix.com/wheellinks.html and while you're there download the password protected newest version and send for the password. CoverMaster is one of the easiest and useful free tools you can put in your lottery tool box. Even if you don't think you'll need it, get a copy while you still can. The real trick to saving money is not to close the wheel, but to stop at somewhere between 90% to 99% y... [ More ]

Reply #16

Zoozie — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:28:18 GMT

Sorry if I was abrupt. Didn't mean to come across that way - Cashman you know I answer every single PM you send me... and you are not as as*. If anything, you have encouraged me to strive for pairs.

Reply #15

emilyg — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:17:02 GMT

when you get to be my age - just not important what other people think. can't please everyone. look forward to your pics

Reply #14

Cashman87 — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:13:37 GMT

Thanks emily! I would just hate it if everyone thought I was just being selfish, or an *ss, or I don't know.... something bad...lol. :) Any numbers I come up with for pick 5, I'll post about a day before I'm going to play them anyway

Reply #13

emilyg — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 02:08:31 GMT

cashman - it's yours - do what you want. you don't need to apologize or explain to any of us.

Reply #12

RJOh — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:52:39 GMT

Cashman87,I can understand where you're coming from. My test didn't work as good as yours, but it showed promise as revealed in the numbers I picked to play in Ohio RC5 tonight. I posted the first 10 lines on the prediction board and it will show a winner later tonight. Even though I had all 5 numbers in the group four times, the best I could do with 20 lines is match 3/5 one time and 2/5 four times to win $14 of the $20 it cost to play. No body won the jackpot and it rolled so I will work o... [ More ]

Reply #11

Cashman87 — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:38:28 GMT

Zoozie? :) Perhaps a little confusion? I was just responding to lckylary's posts. Read his post....he mentioned something about wanting to know my method, and he said something about it being up to me if I share it or not, I was just responding to it,...in some way or another, lol.Sorry if it seemed like I was just being an *ss. :) I just hope it doesn't seem like I'm being a big d*ck by not giving out my methods. I mean, they're incredibly valuable to me. I use them to make my living, and,... [ More ]

Reply #10

Zoozie — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:16:18 GMT

Thanks Rjoh - After I realized that it would be over 1000 tickets, I crumpled that piece of paper up. LOLCashman - I wasn't asking for your complex formula - gosh we all know you are not going to give away your methods, so we don't ask any longer.Now on to my test. I picked the best 12 numbers out of those 22. Here is what I did so EVERYONE can review it. I wrote those 12 numbers straight down the line and made 12 tickets ... then I went to the 2nd line down and skipped 3 and wrote the 12... [ More ]

Reply #9

RJOh — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:57:59 GMT

Zoozie,There are 26,334 possible combinations of 5's in a group of 22 numbers, you would have play them all to cover every combinations of five, but when you matched all five numbers you would also have the other 85 combinations of 4/5 and the 1,360 combinations of 3/5.

Reply #8

Cashman87 — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:47:57 GMT

It's a really complex formula I use, which I had NO idea works in pick 5 as well. Pm me lckylary

Reply #7

Zoozie — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:36:45 GMT

OK I have never played pick 5 in my state or any other state, so this intrigued me. My state is a 5/36. I picked 22 random numbers out of 36 and then reviewed the winning past results since January 1, 2006.Results with my 22 random numbers since 1/1/06:4 - 5/5 wins18 - 4/5 winsThe question is since I have never played: how many tickets would I have had to purchase from 22 numbers in order to get the winners and is there a program out there that could actually wheel all these numbers with a gu... [ More ]

Reply #6

LckyLary — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:29:13 GMT

If the numbers in the pool are belived to be EXACTLY EQUAL, play random combinations of whatever a reasonable budget allows. WHEN I WON 5/5 I ONLY played 2 SETS of numbers!!! And another time I just missed 5/5 because I didn't wheel my best 6 numbers. Playing in PA I often get 2 or 3 out of 5, on ONE ticket! I am assuming that the 90%/25 theory is not just one drawing? Part of the catch is that in order to guarantee 3/5 the 90% has to be real. i.e. under fair conditions your chances on 3/5 w... [ More ]

Reply #5

RJOh — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:46:11 GMT

CoverMaster produces a 39 combo wheel that guarantee a match 3 if all 5 numbers are in the 20 but for most games that will not cover the cost of playing.

Reply #4

RJOh — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 22:16:22 GMT

I'm working with a similar dilemma with Ohio Rolling Cash5 today. I'm working with a potion of my lottery program that tries to reduce the field of numbers of play. Ohio RC5 is a 5/39 game and I will play using a reduced field of 25 numbers which in the past has contained all 5 winning numbers more than 50% of the time. I'll be posting those numbers and what I do in the Pick5 forum later today before tonight's drawing.If you have a copy of CoverMaster you may be able to create a custom wheel... [ More ]

Reply #3

Cashman87 — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:43:38 GMT

Wow! Thanks raven

Reply #2

Raven62 — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:43:02 GMT

Ininuga is a PC program, intended for creation or improvement(minimization) of abbreviated lotto wheels. It allows any choice ofparameters (v, k, t, m) in range 1..32. (See: What are Wheels forexplanation) A typical time to do this job varies from fraction of asecond to several hours, depending on parameters (and consequently thewheel size). A non optimized (far too big) wheel is made fast, thenreduction goes ever slower. When started from scratch, the final sizeis not always impressive compared... [ More ]

Reply #1

Cashman87 — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:33:23 GMT

I'm also not sure if I should attack the pick 5, or the mega millions with this....I mean, they are both relatively simular....considering it's both 5 2 digit randomly drawn numbers. But, a second prize payout with take 5 is $450, whereas a second prize payout (which is a first prize 'win' level, five out of five) is $250k. So, that's what I'm unsure about.... Plus, I have to kind of rush....lol. Only have about 2-3 days left.

Need help with pick 5 wheels....

Cashman87 — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:29:59 GMT

Ok, I was wondering, say, you have about 20-25 numbers, and you are almost 90% sure, well....lol, pretty sure , that 5 of those 20 numbers will be the 5 winning numbers in the pick 5 drawing, and you wanted to wheel them in a way to get atleast a 3-4th place hit. Or maybe even the jackpot. Which approach should one take, wheeling the numbers, or, just playing all the 5 straight number combos available with 25 numbers? Which would be about 125 combos, correct? If you didn't want to wheel them,... [ More ]