The Solution t This Gas Extortion

Reply #60

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 08 May 2006 02:11:24 GMT

Rip Snorter, you are dead on right. The central government must have control over anything and everything or else they will either tax it to death or ban it outright.

We can end the energy crisis just by turning to the capitalist system and let moonshiners do their thing. But the central government won't allow that to happen; not in the fore-seeable future anyway. So get accustomed to higher gasoline prices for there is no roof in sight.

Reply #59

dvdiva — Sun, 07 May 2006 23:40:54 GMT

The best conversion vechicle for vegi oil is an old mercedes (like I own). Problem is you need warm temps out to use it. Same reason why there is a winter blend of diesel. Vegitable oil is still expensive though.

Reply #58

justxploring — Sun, 07 May 2006 21:30:47 GMT

I think the increase in gasoline prices is a ruse by the cereal companies. Last time I walked down that aisle in the supermarket, I thought I turned into a real estate office by mistake.

Reply #57

konane — Sun, 07 May 2006 21:22:15 GMT

Found this on another site but it gets the point across as to what's costs are involved in gas production, and to my knowledge this does not include all the embedded taxes time*treat was talking about.

I'm for developing an engine to burn canola oil. Seems plentiful enough ... they're putting it into all kinds of foods on the basis it's good for you. For those who're allergic to it, it doesn't seem to live up to that definition so motor fuel seems a fine use.... [ More ]

Reply #56

Rip Snorter — Sun, 07 May 2006 21:12:47 GMT

Two problems:

The oil companies don't have a monopoly on fuel grown by farmers,Nobody has a monopoly on backyard stills,

which,

Assures it will remain verboten

Assures backyard entrepreneurs who try it will end up in the slammer with various other entrepreneurs involving verboten activities.

The war against alcohol ain't entirely over It's just been a sort of cold war since the repeal of prohibition. Our eyes are focused on the wars on drugs and terrorism, but the war on alcoh... [ More ]

Reply #55

GASMETERGUY — Sun, 07 May 2006 20:54:00 GMT

General Motors produces an engine in Brazil that utilizes either alcohol or gasolone. The engines have sensors that adjust the air flow to match the fuel.

Our government today is subsidizing the construction of ethynol plants in South Dakota and (rumor has it) one in Nashville.

There are millions of acres of once cultivated land doing nothing today but growing weeds as a scenic drive thru Mississippi will attest. May I suggest the Natchez Trace.

Now if the government would only turn t... [ More ]

Reply #54

LAVERNE MALONEY — Sun, 07 May 2006 18:39:18 GMT

I can remember back to when I was a little girl. I had a beautiful red car with silver chrome, horn, headlights, the works, the top of the line. In order to move this car I had two foot pedals, I would alternate press, right foot left foot. I could get around really well.

I use to go to the grocery store with the adults could pedal they would walk with me. Back then we had Duz laundry detergent with a free 8oz drinking glass inside. They would strap that big box of Duz laundry detergent o... [ More ]

Reply #53

Tenaj — Sun, 07 May 2006 18:19:50 GMT

Reply #52

Rick G — Sun, 07 May 2006 18:18:36 GMT

Any Seinfeld fans in here? Remember the episode where Kramer and Neuman wanted to start a rickshaw business? Lot of potential there today...

Reply #51

pacattack05 — Sun, 07 May 2006 17:51:00 GMT

Boycotts do no good. They only transfer the surplus of gas, that might have been used for a particular station, and utilized it overseas, or some other outlet. The only person you're hurting is the owner of the station, who depends on people to shop for gas, and maybe buy something else, while the customer browses the store.

Like I said earlier in this post, the culprit is the oil companies. The price of crude oil, and the 18 percent tax on it. That's who we have to be mad at. However, even t... [ More ]

Reply #50

CASH Only — Sun, 07 May 2006 17:41:38 GMT

I guess you mean: what the sHELL

Reply #49

IMGONNAWIN — Sun, 07 May 2006 17:37:35 GMT

I have not purchased 1oz of any thing from Exxon since they destroyed the Alaskan enviroment then had the nerve to cry that it was costing them too much to clean up after that drunken slob that they hired destroyed it. Also, they just gave their CEO 400 million what the HE__ was that for?

Good luck to all that play.

Reply #48

Rip Snorter — Sun, 07 May 2006 17:25:45 GMT

Back in the fifties and sixties people were inventing VoltsWagons, and you could buy a tiny car called the King Midget for next to nothing, looked like a jeap on a golf cart frame with a 5 HP motor. Now inovation is illegal in the name of safety yet we pretend to still be a nation of inventors.

King Midget was a home-build kit. But today the grandsons are out there posing as utility vehicles... Kawasaki Mule is an example. Simple, light, perfect commuter vehicle.

Except the US Depart... [ More ]

Reply #47

pacattack05 — Sun, 07 May 2006 16:46:41 GMT

They need to put this technology in a car. As long as you don't get rear-ended, I think it'll work safely.

Fusion is the solution. I saw a show on the Science channel a while back, where they showed a huge plant where the process of fusion was being experimented. This wharehouse sized plant could only produce one explosion/combustion once every few days or so. After the combustion, it had to be partially taken apart and cleaned, and wiped down, which took a few days. And that was just one ex... [ More ]

Reply #46

dvdiva — Sun, 07 May 2006 16:28:19 GMT

It's called steam. Steam cars have the same problems electric cars do. Range.

Reply #45

ryanm — Sun, 07 May 2006 04:58:21 GMT

Yeah, I have heard of someone developing a way to charge water enough to power an engine.

Reply #44

four4me — Sat, 06 May 2006 21:31:39 GMT

We may run out of oil in a couple hundred years. That's why they don't care as long as there's oil now.

they can make fuel from sea water. Engines will be developed that will use all sorts of fuels. they will never release a perpetual motion engine. No engine will ever be marketed that dosen't wear out or break down if they did the auto makers will go under.

Reply #43

four4me — Sat, 06 May 2006 21:24:15 GMT

Common Mike don't confuse natural disasters with end of days scenarios katrina was bound to happen and we'll see even bigger storms. (global warming) Hot air mixes with cold air and warm water with cold water equals hurricanes. Those winds that carried from the sera desert were extremly hot. The tsunami was an earthquake in the ocean. overdue according to scientists

911 was cooked up by binladen.

Reply #42

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 06 May 2006 21:08:28 GMT

i don't doubt anything anymore.between 9/11,katrina,the tsunami in india,the iraq war,earthquakes,etc.the world has been going through a lot and its very scary.i use to laugh at all the doomsday people who talk about the end of the world but i don't laugh anymore.its real and its in our face.the proof is here that we are in the end days.......

Reply #41

ryanm — Sat, 06 May 2006 20:44:40 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by LOTTOMIKE on May 6, 2006the day could come when we run out of oil and then we will be riding horses again.......

The Amish will really be laughing at us that day!!

An excerpt such as, "With gas prices at an all-time high, a record number of civilians will be converting to Amish...," sounds like something that could go in MAD magazine lol.

Reply #40

Konformthismfs — Sat, 06 May 2006 06:51:42 GMT

Trade in your SUV's for a Honda! Helmuts Optional...

Reply #39

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 06 May 2006 06:36:52 GMT

the day could come when we run out of oil and then we will be riding horses again.......

Reply #38

ryanm — Sat, 06 May 2006 05:34:13 GMT

Yep, the only way to stop being dependent on oil is to outlaw motor vehicles all together.

Reply #37

dvdiva — Sat, 06 May 2006 03:39:28 GMT

Short of inventing sustainable hydrogen fussion we will always be dependent on oil. Hybrids burn gas same as any other car. Biodiesel is great but we don't have enough agricultural land to grow enough fuel. Natural gas is to scare and is very dangerous in cars.

Reply #36

TheGameGrl — Sat, 06 May 2006 00:14:31 GMT

RyanM wrote Actually, walling off the United States economy from the rest of the world will only make things more expensive overall. The world economy idea came about so countries that have comparative advantages in producing certain goods can help out the countries that don't. (end quote)

Who said anything about isolating our economy? Read and then re-read most of the comments here. My comments were for the most part, based in facts and some opinions. Which is what this topic surrounded... [ More ]

Reply #35

time*treat — Thu, 04 May 2006 18:13:15 GMT

Don't forget the property taxes on the facilities where each of the components (down to the last bolt on a truck) are made, payroll and other income taxes on each of the employees in the supply chain. Compliance costs, and other value adds . The out-of-the-ground cost of a barrel of oil is about $5. The rest is taxes, fees, and other garbage. It's not just oil. Look at your phone bill. What percent is for the service and the rest for taxes and fees

Reply #34

pacattack05 — Thu, 04 May 2006 03:56:32 GMT

I'm in no way defending the gas companies, but they only make 7 to 8 cents out of each dollar. It's the oil companies and the government that makes the money.

Out of every dollar spent on gas, about 50 percent or so go to the oil companies. About 25 percent goes into storing, refining, and shipping the gas, by the gas companies. 18 percent goes to the govt. for taxes. And the remaining 7 cents goes to the net profit for the gas companies.

You people ain't seen nothin yet. Every time some n... [ More ]

Reply #33

ryanm — Wed, 03 May 2006 23:27:47 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by TheGameGrl on May 3, 2006Its actually the Grassroots groups that have helped the *alternative* methods of fuels to be developed. California has already passed regulations allowing alternative fuels to be used in automobiles and farm equipment. Read up on how University studies (which are funded by state taxes in most cases) are developing natural resource fuels. Penn State Agriculture has been avid in using and testing methane ( a by product from manure).

Boycott... [ More ]

Reply #32

ryanm — Wed, 03 May 2006 23:24:22 GMT

Rising gas prices are just adding to my list of reasons never to have kids.

Reply #31

Shane3 — Wed, 03 May 2006 21:38:36 GMT

Sorry...I am not into self hating....Not gonna blame myself. I use the same amount of Gas i used 6 years ago when Gas was $1.45/gallon.

I didn't change, so why the gouging?.....and yes I do need my 51 Plasma.

I looked in the mirror.....I am a bit older.....I guess I changed.

Reply #30

Konformthismfs — Wed, 03 May 2006 17:53:16 GMT

Bingo: Undocumented citizens of America are a good target!

The correct term is Illegal Immigrant , they're not a Citizen of the USA

Reply #29

Glenn123 — Wed, 03 May 2006 17:40:23 GMT

Vote out the politians with oil intrests!!!!

Let the farmer have a chance(Ethonol) is the way to go!

We helped Brazil be self sufficent,why can't we help ourselves?

Next election,do your homework and vote the oilmen OUT

Reply #28

orangeman — Wed, 03 May 2006 17:30:37 GMT

Before we start boycotting ExxonMobile, why not boycott Citgo while we are at it? Citgo profits go to Hugo Chavez who is a buddy of Fidel Castro. Scrapping your SUVs would also be a good way to cut gas costs. You could also stop carrying your spoiled brats all over the place, get your cell phone out of your ear so you can drive more carefully and plan your lives like your parents and grandparents did. Other ideas would be to move closer to your job, live within your means and quit trying to

Reply #27

Tenaj — Wed, 03 May 2006 17:29:45 GMT

The cost of illegals are more than dollars.

Reply #26

emilyg — Wed, 03 May 2006 17:20:34 GMT

do a google search - how much it costs each and everyone of us to pay for all the benefits the illegals are getting.

Reply #25

Tenaj — Wed, 03 May 2006 17:14:10 GMT

I hear over and over the statement jobs people won't do. I don't believe there is a job in America that someone won't do. Who did them before? The greed of companies and granted some don't have a choice or go out of business want cheap dependable labor and a docile employees who are glad to have the opportunity to shovel horse manure, clean bathrooms or dig ditches. Jobs people won't do ....a subliminal message.

Middle and small businesses are like, I'll be damned if I do and damne... [ More ]

Reply #24

Andy10475 — Wed, 03 May 2006 11:47:46 GMT

Fear, fear, fear! It always works. When one group gets too powerful that you cannot discriminate against them and call them ugly names in public find another...

Bingo: Undocumented citizens of America are a good target!

Let's get real. If I were an oilman and the president or Vice President of the country I would help my other oil buddies make as much money as they can...the poor and middle class be damned. The middle class and the poor will always survive. In fact they have always been... [ More ]

Reply #23

LOTTOMIKE — Wed, 03 May 2006 11:32:28 GMT

an easier and way more affordable alternative could've already been developed and it has.each time this happens that person ends up "gone".the reason they end up "gone" is because the government doesn't want this too happen for us because it would take dollars out of their greedy hands.there could've been a cure for cancer by now but there never will simply because it would stop the river of money flowing to the government.my grandfather was given six months to live and ended up living five more... [ More ]

Reply #22

mybolade — Wed, 03 May 2006 11:10:45 GMT

IF the majority of people boycott any company, it will bring them down. I am not buying Exxon Gas....

I think we should tackle one problem at a time. It should not be that much of an inconvenience for people to stop buying Exxon if they want the price to change. If most of the people stop buying they will have to lower their prices, if they lower their prices the other stations will follow.

Do not buy Exxon....................

Watch the results. This is what we are doing in my family.

Reply #21

Konformthismfs — Wed, 03 May 2006 08:08:00 GMT

Tenaj, your right! And this is were one of the main Amnesty problems come into play. If you go ahead and grant amnesty to 10-20 million illegals, this gives them the power to go after other jobs they currently can't get. And they will! And the employer will love it even more! And the illegals will continue to come because they'll still be jobs americans won't do, because the new lovely group of proud americans waving flags from another country won't do those jobs anymore either! Why should t... [ More ]

Reply #20

Tenaj — Wed, 03 May 2006 07:01:24 GMT

I think boycotting companies that do outsourcing will bring them to their knees. I mean not just boycotting for a day or week. Just don't do business with them. Never again. They will change.

We need fuel but there are many businesses that we can do without. Like Walmart and we don't have to do business with a bank that outsource their work. Hit them where it hurts. I think it is a shame for hard working faithful people to loose their jobs to cheap labor sent out of the country. Y... [ More ]

Reply #19

pacattack05 — Wed, 03 May 2006 05:58:27 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by TheGameGrl on May 3, 2006 Its actually the Grassroots groups that have helped the *alternative* methods of fuels to be developed. California has already passed regulations allowing alternative fuels to be used in automobiles and farm equipment. Read up on how University studies (which are funded by state taxes in most cases) are developing natural resource fuels. Penn State Agriculture has been avid in using and testing methane ( a by product from manure).

Boycot... [ More ]

Reply #18

TheGameGrl — Wed, 03 May 2006 05:45:55 GMT

Its actually the Grassroots groups that have helped the *alternative* methods of fuels to be developed. California has already passed regulations allowing alternative fuels to be used in automobiles and farm equipment. Read up on how University studies (which are funded by state taxes in most cases) are developing natural resource fuels. Penn State Agriculture has been avid in using and testing methane ( a by product from manure).

Boycotting will not work, what will work is gaining insight

Reply #17

BobP — Wed, 03 May 2006 05:40:00 GMT

Back in the fifties and sixties people were inventing VoltsWagons, and you could buy a tiny car called the King Midget for next to nothing, looked like a jeap on a golf cart frame with a 5 HP motor. Now inovation is illegal in the name of safety yet we pretend to still be a nation of inventors.

Where are the steam cars that use microwaves to heat the water, the hydrogen burning engines that produce water not that stupid fuel cell nonsense. Or a water engine with enough compression to flash

Reply #16

pacattack05 — Wed, 03 May 2006 05:02:35 GMT

The solution is very simple. Irradicate greed!, and progress won't be stymied.

Then politicians won't even have the drive, ( no pun intended ), to pull the wool over the eyes of people all over the world. Then the top dogs will not even feel they should purposely slow down such progress as in the case of the Station wagon that got about 80 MPG, because of it's unique carbeurator. Both the guy who invented it, and the station wagon, dissappeared. This occurred around the mid 70's. A huge story... [ More ]

Reply #15

Tenaj — Wed, 03 May 2006 03:34:33 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by cybero on May 2, 2006 You know what this country really needs? This country needs a little revolution to stir the pot up! Then we need another tea party but not with tea! Then we need to march to Washington and Take America Back from all the fat cat politicians, REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS!!

Kick all their a@$es out of office and start over! The country is in sad shape, makes me so sick I am ready to fly north to the land of maple leafs! Just lo... [ More ]

Reply #14

ryanm — Wed, 03 May 2006 03:18:58 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Shane3 on May 2, 2006Almost everyone is saying that there is no solution to the high gas prices at the pump. The politicians say we should throw up our hands and surrender to the current gas extortion. They say do more car-pooling, buy a smaller car and cut back on other expenses. They say be happy because Europe is paying $6.00/gallon. We all need to buy gas for our autos..that is understood, and I am not suggesting we all give up driving.

But I say "Give-me-a-br... [ More ]

Reply #13

cybero — Wed, 03 May 2006 02:35:22 GMT

You know what this country really needs? This country needs a little revolution to stir the pot up! Then we need another tea party but not with tea! Then we need to march to Washington and Take America Back from all the fat cat politicians, REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS!!

Kick all their a@$es out of office and start over! The country is in sad shape, makes me so sick I am ready to fly north to the land of maple leafs! Just look at how many people vote each presidential el... [ More ]

Reply #12

time*treat — Wed, 03 May 2006 01:44:41 GMT

True. The Voyager Pioneer spacecraft are still phoning home .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_10

It's not that the info is not there, it is that there is so much regulation in place. The gov't has been regulating the oil cos since the breakup of Standard Oil. Where you can build, what you can build, how much you can charge, etc. But the pols want to pass the blame in an election year. They won't even admit (or don't know) why oil is mainl... [ More ]

Reply #11

JAP69 — Tue, 02 May 2006 23:24:21 GMT

They have been making gas powered engines for almost 100 years and they can not figure it out yet. Give me a break.

There should be enough knowledge out there to come up with a powerplant that does not require gas power.

I am quite certain space ships from other planets do not stop at the local gas pump.

Reply #10

JAP69 — Tue, 02 May 2006 23:15:42 GMT

What kills me is the automakers haven't come up with a viable engine which would run without the gas. Or use less of it for power. The automakers are in cahoots with the oil companies and oil has replaced gold in the money market so to speak.

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I have seen and heard different stories in my lifetime where an Individual or small company came up with workings ideas for less gas consumption.

The best one I heard was where an individual bo... [ More ]

Reply #9

dnroth — Tue, 02 May 2006 22:54:49 GMT

One interesting thing happened shortly after September 11, 2001 in Superior, Wisconsin. Superior is home to a pipeline terminal for Enbridge. A rumor raced through the town that the pipeline was going to be shutting down, or something to that effect. It sent people running to the gas stations. Well, the pipeline didn't shut down, and gas prices plummeted after the rush on the stations...

Reply #8

four4me — Tue, 02 May 2006 18:00:55 GMT

It's not just gas prices that are affected by the rising cost of oil. Crude oil is also used in many products, all plastics are made from oil as well as tires, asphalt and automotive products. Where fuel is concerned there just aren't enough refining outfits to meet the demand for gas consumshion.

What kills me is the automakers haven't come up with a viable engine which would run without the gas. Or use less of it for power. The automakers are in cahoots with the oil companies and oil has r... [ More ]

Reply #7

jim695 — Tue, 02 May 2006 17:08:50 GMT

An excellent idea but, unfortunately, the American people will not inconvenience themselves for a common cause. If there's a Mobil station on the corner where they buy their gas on their way to or from work, they won't drive six blocks out of their way to buy from Citgo.

If you want to fight the high price of gas, buy crude oil options or invest in oil service companies such as Schlumberger, Inc. It won't bring the price of gasoline down, but you'll make enough money to pay for your gas for... [ More ]

Reply #6

Konformthismfs — Tue, 02 May 2006 16:54:31 GMT

Some mechanic needs to come up with a conversion kit from electric forklifts to cars. Forklifts weight 2-3 times that of a car and then lift and carry 2-3 times the weight of a car, all day long without needing a charge. And what i've seen of them, the batteries are not that big. The cost of converting a car could easily be made up from savings on not buying gas, not buying oil changes, not buying tune-ups, etc...

Reply #5

Fourwayz — Tue, 02 May 2006 16:52:29 GMT

I try to do my part by driving my Honda 1987 Honda Accord (33+ MPG) and my 1988 Honda CRX (49+ MPG). Our truck and custom van are for special trips. That's where I'll hit them and soften the blow on my wallet

Reply #4

konane — Tue, 02 May 2006 16:04:32 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by GASMETERGUY on May 2, 2006 Gas is gas and it all comes from the same supplier. Each large city has a tank farm which holds all the gas. Each corner gas station orders from the same tank farm . The difference lies in the additives; additives which are added to the tanker truck while being filled.

The oil companies do operate oil rigs all over the world. Some of the crude oil is shipped to refineries in the USA ( I do not know who owns the refineries) and fr... [ More ]

Reply #3

GASMETERGUY — Tue, 02 May 2006 16:01:40 GMT

Gas is gas and it all comes from the same supplier. Each large city has a tank farm which holds all the gas. Each corner gas station orders from the same tank farm . The difference lies in the additives; additives which are added to the tanker truck while being filled.

The oil companies do operate oil rigs all over the world. Some of the crude oil is shipped to refineries in the USA ( I do not know who owns the refineries) and from there is pumped via pipe lines to various tank farms... [ More ]

Reply #2

konane — Tue, 02 May 2006 16:01:13 GMT

Latest data says China is using about 40% of the world's crude and that % is climbing daily.

We haven't had a refinery built in 10 years due to greens legislation and our refineries are currently running at capacity.

Greens have pressured us into not drilling in the small section of ANWAR which was set aside for oil exploration.

Also these links to posts in my blog will give a more in depth explanation of why we are where we are with oil prices which are dictated by supply and deman... [ More ]

Reply #1

Clairvoyance — Tue, 02 May 2006 14:57:52 GMT

Well I feel your pain. I about cried when I put gas into my car yesterday and the gage hardly moved but my purse was empty! 2.99 a gallon

But does not Exxon-Mobile supply everyone? Even if you do not stop at their stations they would be the supplier for other stations? Just asking? How would a person know who the supplier was for every gas station? It may be a stupid question but it made me think of asking anyway LOL

The Solution t This Gas Extortion

Shane3 — Tue, 02 May 2006 14:50:53 GMT

Almost everyone is saying that there is no solution to the high gas prices at the pump. The politicians say we should throw up our hands and surrender to the current gas extortion. They say do more car-pooling, buy a smaller car and cut back on other expenses. They say be happy because Europe is paying $6.00/gallon. We all need to buy gas for our autos .that is understood, and I am not suggesting we all give up driving.

But I say Give-me-a-break . I say something we can do something about i... [ More ]