Keno Combinations "Help Wanted with New System"

Reply #47

Rip Snorter — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:50:42 GMT

retxx:

I've started a thread over on the Gaming forum where I'm planning on messing around with keno a bit. It's a relatively inactive forum so I might be able to do it without getting into the way of anyone or being in danger of pushing things downward on the page here.

If you're interested you can find me there.

J

Reply #46

Rip Snorter — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:55:48 GMT

Paulfig911:

I've been responsible for some thread drift here. I apologize.

I hope the answers you got from Todd and others earlier in the thread answered your question sufficiently to fill your needs.

Good luck

Jack

Reply #45

Rip Snorter — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:47:00 GMT

Actually, I suppose if some of you pick 3 and pick 4 people happen to be reading this, the stuff above (especially the dates) might well be of interest to you, as well. It ought to apply until around the end of the week throughout the northern hemisphere.

Jack

Reply #44

Rip Snorter — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:45:05 GMT

Mid-April '97, things lined up better than 2004, if you're able to access records going back that far.... but that needs to overlay with 2004 and compare between the two. Neither's as good, individually, as 2001.

But together compared with '01 you ought to get something to dance about.

J

Reply #43

Rip Snorter — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:16:39 GMT

I ve got a phone line connection here and that site is impossible to get into for me.... I lose connection half a dozen times in 15 minutes and it's never loaded yet when I lose connection.

I'd suggest you go back and see if the records go back to Jan 1 2001, and April 15-19 2004.... overlay them and see what you come up with.... that should tell you more than I can at the moment.

The 2004 days are a bit mooshy, but if you get 2001, it's going to be a pretty good overlay.

Several thing... [ More ]

Reply #42

retxx — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:06:38 GMT

Rip try going to mass.state lottery.com bring up keno and enter start 784500 end 784540. That wasthe set i watched fri around 12:30 pm. Let me know how you make out. You may see something I missed. thanks

Reply #41

Rip Snorter — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:22:47 GMT

The LP records don't go back to January 2001 for Ontario, but here's where I'd be looking for Ontario right now:

Jul 31, 2006 04-10-20-21-22-23-26-30-36-38-40-43-44-49-51-53-56-61-62-66

Jul 30, 2006 04-13-14-15-16-20-27-29-32-34-37-40-47-51-59-60-62-63-65-70

Apr 19, 2004 01-05-13-14-16-21-22-24-28-33-36-42-44-49-53-61-66-68-69-70

Apr 18, 2004 02-05-07-14-18-24-29-41-42-43-44-47-48-50-51-52-53-56-59-64

Apr 17, 2004 04-11-13-14-18-20-25-28-32-34-42-52-57-59-60-63-65-66-67... [ More ]

Reply #40

Rip Snorter — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:07:17 GMT

Just pulling anything out of the sky to try to nail down the precise date to look for it, here are the Washington DC Pick 4 sequences during those times:

Mon, Jul 31, 2006 9-4-4-1

Sun, Jul 30, 2006 0-2-4-8

Sat, Jul 29, 2006 7-3-8-4

Fri, Jul 28, 2006 5-6-9-8

Thu, Jul 27, 2006 3-4-4-7

Thu, Jan 4, 2001 2-0-4-1

Wed, Jan 3, 2001 3-8-2-1

Tue, Jan 2, 2001 2-4-4-7

Mon, Jan 1, 2001 0-2-5-1

Sun, Dec 31, 2000 9-8-7-1

Sat, Dec 30, 2000 5-2-8-0

Fri, Dec 29, 2000 7-1-2... [ More ]

Reply #39

Rip Snorter — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:06:23 GMT

Applying that process and combining it with another might reap some rewards.

Try using your plus and minus system, but check the numbers against the Jan 1 and 2, 2001 draws, and around April 20, 2004 (locate which two-day period by scanning up and down a couple of days looking for 8-10 numbers that hit yesterday and using that, and the next draw) to check against your plus/minus method .....

mainly looking for repeats during the four draws from the past...

Might be worth having a look... [ More ]

Reply #38

Kenosavy — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:35:38 GMT

LottoHackJack and paulfig911

I play Ontario Keno as well!

Let me tell you it is one slippery fish!

One thing I noticed on a regular basis is that 7-10 or 12 numbers

are always 1 digit up or 1 down from previous draw!

When I bet 1 up or down, it goes 2 up or down.

Been also tracking last digits and found that each draw usually

contains all or most of them 0-9.

Look for decades of these: i.e 11 and say 41 or maybe 2 and 32

will show together.

Any thoughts on this

Reply #37

LottoHackJack — Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:49:18 GMT

If it's the Ontario, Canada 10/20/70 Keno game, it is no amazing feat to get 12-14 correct out of 45. In fact, you can check every game from the start, and you will find that the very first 49 of the 70 numbers in the game will almost always contain 12 to 14 of the numbers drawn on any one night!

You don't need a system to see that. Just count how many hits you get tonight using only the first 49 numbers of the game from 1 to 49, and ignoring numbers 50 to 70. Making winning combinations f... [ More ]

Reply #36

retxx — Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:36:32 GMT

thanks rip will watch these. If you go to www mass.state lottery.com you should be able to see keno results and list about 40 results by iserting start game number-end game number. Here is that bunch that I watched fri pm. It was start 784500 end 784540. Let me know how you make out.

Reply #35

Rip Snorter — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:42:21 GMT

retxxx:

Since the other was such a flop there's probably nothing to this. But you might keep an eye open for the following combos hitting tomorrow and Tuesday all day.

You might be able to pick off some groups of three at a time if it appears they're doing it.

1 2 3 4 7 8 10 15 21 24

1 2 6 7 8 12 19 21 26 31

1 2 7 8 18 21 23 28 36 40

1 2 7 8 13 21 22 25 30 37

1 2 8 10 12 14 17 21 32 41

1 4 6 10 15 16 23 24 26 31

3 4 10 15 18 19 24 25 28 36

3 4 12 15 22 23 24 30 37 40

3 4... [ More ]

Reply #34

Rip Snorter — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:58:37 GMT

Thanks retxx.

Your email reached me without contents, attachments, etc.

Gracias,

Jack

Reply #33

retxx — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 03:11:58 GMT

All set Jack

Reply #32

Rip Snorter — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 02:52:02 GMT

Thanks retxx.

If you can send them text format, and sequencial draws would be most helpful

Gracias,

Jack

Reply #31

retxx — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 02:35:32 GMT

Be happy to watch #1 and#2. P.M. me your e-mail and I will try and send you a bunch of keno draws from today around the time I played them.

Reply #30

Rip Snorter — Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:08:41 GMT

Thanks retxx:

It appears the assumptions I made about sets one and two were entirely off base, as was the timing for set 3 and set 4. Set 3s the only one that popped at all, as I understand it, and it was no great shakes three days early.

If you happen to be in a position to observe I'd be interested whether sets 1 and 2 show any signs of bunching for the next couple of days, but don't go to any trouble. I wouldn't expect any of those combinations to have any meaning after tomorrow or Mo... [ More ]

Reply #29

retxx — Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:48:04 GMT

For Fri not too good. I had 1 3for 6 in about 40 games I followed around noon time. Hope you keep working on finding a better set. I will see if I can combine 2 sets mix and match and see if there might be a good hit. Thanks

P.S It was set #4 with the hit.

Reply #28

Rip Snorter — Sat, 29 Jul 2006 04:37:57 GMT

Thanks retxx. I'll look forward to hearing

J

Reply #27

retxx — Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:46:25 GMT

Will report todays findings.

Reply #26

Rip Snorter — Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:52:19 GMT

Thx for the update.

My thought is today ought to be party-time with sets 1 and 2, ..... maybe I had it figured wrong.

Sorry.

Jack

Reply #25

retxx — Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:43:06 GMT

hi rip update for thur. #4 not doing too good but #3 had a 5 of 6 in one game that paid $50.00 here. It seems that one is the best so far. Please keep me informed of any progress you might have in other sets that look good celestially and best time to play. thanks

Reply #24

Rip Snorter — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:37:20 GMT

Hope you'll keep me posted on how it does today and tomorrow if you're watching.

Thx

Jack

Reply #23

Rip Snorter — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:54:32 GMT

For anyone else interested, particularly if you have multiple keno draws in your state:

If this works Friday in Massachusetts it'll also work Friday everywhere in the Northern Hemisphere.

It's based on moon phase, number histories, and the rise/sets of several celestial bodies, along with their east/west tracks across the night sky on Friday.

If it works, why bother with belief or disbelief? Believe, if you prefer, that it's a statistical function. That the numbers were hot/cold/odd... [ More ]

Reply #22

Rip Snorter — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:33:54 GMT

Thanks retxx.

That might mean it's worth keeping an eye open for it to build and start hitting with set 4 for the next couple of days, maybe beginning a decline on Thursday with Set 4 maxing on Thursday, maybe. Just speculating here.

I'm thinking by Friday it oughtn't be anything but a weathervane to twig you to the others getting close to hitting.

Thanks for the report and update.

Gracias,

Jack

Reply #21

retxx — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:54:42 GMT

hi rip to answer your question I went out to play a few games of keno and yes #3 set popped up twice in about 9 games I watched. Once 3 of 6 and once 4 of 6. The others mostly 2 of 6 when they did pop. Sound interesting.

Reply #20

Rip Snorter — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:43:19 GMT

Retxx:

I don't think those sets will do any singing and dancing until Friday, though they might start to trickle in for the convention on Thursday and a few might hang around to gamble and carouse on Saturday.

But since you're watching for them anyway all week, you might be able to help me a bunch if you notice them doing something different than that, showing up earlier in the week.

I'd be particularly interested in whether Set 3 starts popping up earlier in the week and the 3-4 draws... [ More ]

Reply #19

retxx — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:54:30 GMT

thanks rip I will watch these sets here but also during the week. Remember we run keno every 4 minutes in Mass. Also please send the excel macro to the e-mail I posted. Sounds interesting.

Reply #18

PATT — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:13:37 GMT

Guesser:

please send me your excel macro . i play keno in md. 20---80

send to pwp63@aol.com

thanks

Reply #17

Rip Snorter — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:53:22 GMT

retxx:

If you decide to take a shot at watching those Friday draws for what I described I'd be obliged to know whether the reality rhymes with what I've described.

Gracias,

Jack

Reply #16

Rip Snorter — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:53:18 GMT

Thanks LottoVantage:

Hope you're doing well.

Gracias,

Jack

Reply #15

LottoVantage — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:59:38 GMT

But I could be way off here. I don't think there's any danger of you trusting me on this. But if you feel tempted, don't.

Jack, that's the greatest backwash for credibility protection I have ever observed! I've got to remember this one, hombre!

Always enjoy your incredible posts man!

LottoVantage

Reply #14

Rip Snorter — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:33:32 GMT

Retxx:

You might watch your draws Friday for any of these sets hitting.

If you see any of them hit, pretend you bought a ticket with a mix from sets 1 and 2, and watch again.

Really soon, within a couple of three draws you'll see another set hit. If that happens it might be a good time to buy tickets with a mix from sets 1, 2, and 4.

Set 1

13 15 20 21 31 35

Set 2

40 41 42 48 39 8

Set 3

16 24 34 30 38 68

Set 4

4 18 44 45 56 59

I don't know whether t... [ More ]

Reply #13

retxx — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:11:57 GMT

guesser can you e-mail your excel sheet so I can input Mass. keno which runs every 4minutes and see what happens. can i cut and paste many back draws and if yes how? thanks my e-mail is salesmn419@aol.com

Reply #12

Kenosavy — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:07:08 GMT

Hey, Paul :)

Look in Excel formulas and find COMBIN.

In the top window {number} put in the field of numbers(45)

and {number_chosen} put in amount you wish to play(10).

You can easily find that there are 3,190,187,286 different

combo's with using 45 numbers. Way too many to be profitable!

I usually look at yesterday's drawn numbers and discard them

leaving 50 to choose from. I know some will repeat but 10-16

numbers will usually catch in that field!

The trick is knowi... [ More ]

Reply #11

vick — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:03:51 GMT

this free excel sheet can search from 2 to 6 ntuplets and spit out which have hit the most. It can also do what come after, etc and some other neat stuff.

LottoStatisticsXL

http://www.geocities.com/socratiou/index.htm

Reply #10

guesser — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:48:24 GMT

I have an Excel macro that will search an Excel table of pre-loaded Keno winning numbers for whatever set of numbers I choose to search with.

Problem is, I need to 'dream up' a set of 6, 7 or 8 numbers to search WITH: those I plug into the search criteria, and so far, the ones I have dreamed up for a pick 6 or pick 8 do not hit on any of the 1,500 games I have in the table.

I have not gotten around to writing a macro that will just search the entire table and give me a list of pick 8's tha... [ More ]

Reply #9

vick — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 04:27:21 GMT

Paul you would require A VERY LARGE SET to wheel all the possible combo's in 45 numbers. Best to use Dancing numbers or bankers and / or reduce the 45 numbers.

Not wanting to burst your bubble - i play the Ontario keno also - but on AVERAGE a set of 45 numbers, even picked randomly, should hit about 13 / 20 most of the time. So you re just hitting the average.

What system you using if i may ask?

ps. still waiting on Guru to fix lottosynch to work with keno... [ More ]

Reply #8

Todd — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:39:20 GMT

well the formula for lotto is this ex Louisiana

40x39x38x37x36x35/by 1x2x3x4x5x6

=2763633600/720

=3,838,380 combinations on their lotto if I did that right...

Reply #7

Todd — Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:21:57 GMT

The answer is 45 to the tenth power. Multiply 45 ten times ( 45 x 45 x 45...ect.) and you will have your answer.

My calculator will not go that high

Reply #6

Rip Snorter — Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:35:25 GMT

I've been thinking some more about this.

The answer ought to be 45 squared times 10.

On the other hand, it ought to be somewhat less than that because the draws are for 20 numbers and you only have to hit ten of them.

Jack

Reply #5

Rip Snorter — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:04:02 GMT

If you had a few years to spend at it, plenty of money to buy tickets that a win would be less than, you could do it on Excel just walking it down the line this way:

6

9 6

1 9 6

13 1 9 6

15 13 1 9 6

19 15 13 1 9 6

14 19 15 13 1 9 6

18 14 19 15 13 1 9 6

11 18 14 19 15 13 1 9 6

17 11 18 14 19 15 13 1 9 6

25 17 11 18 14 19 15 13 1 9

27 25 17 11 18 14 19 15 13 1

24 27 25 17 11 18 14 19 15 13

30 24 27 25 17 11 18 14 19 15

28 30... [ More ]

Reply #4

Rip Snorter — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:53:09 GMT

A full wheel on pick 5 for 15 numbers is 3003 tickets.

A full wheel on a pick 10 game, 15 numbers ought to be what? 9000 tickets?

For 30 numbers it ought to be 81,000 tickets.

For 45, something in the range of 650,000 and some change, give or take?

I might be off by half a million or so, but I think I'm closer than that.

I started playing with it on Excel for a bit. Here's what it looked like before it used up all my RAM:

17 11 18 14 19 15 13 1 9 6

25 17 11 18 14 1... [ More ]

Reply #3

lotterybraker — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:44:42 GMT

well your first ticket would be this( if you are using a base set of numbers) that do not change

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-16

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-17

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-18

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-19

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-21

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-22

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-24

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-25

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-28

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-29

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-30

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-32

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-35

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-36

1-3-4-5-6-7-9-11-14-42

1-3-4-5-6

Reply #2

paulfig911 — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:06:47 GMT

Here is an example from previous Keno draws:

My system picked 46 out of the 70 numbers.

2,5,7,10,3,4,6,9,1,13,15,19,14,18,11,17,25,27,24,30,28,21,29,34,35,

21,36,49,47,42,48,44,45,51,60,55,56,58,59,57,52,64,62,65,61,67

The 20 winning numbers were:

4,11,12,15,16,17,27,29,31,35,36,41,43,44,49,50,52,53,55,57

As you can see, my system successfully picked 13 correct numbers from the 45.

I've run my system on every draw going back to the year 2001 and each time I have been able to c... [ More ]

Reply #1

Rip Snorter — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:02:02 GMT

Could you provide me with the formula to generate all possible combinations?

Paufig:

I think that must be the crux of your question. People here know a lot about how to figure such things out. Hopefully one of them will know how to come up with the number of tickets required to cover the waterfront.

J

Keno Combinations "Help Wanted with New System"

paulfig911 — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:15:51 GMT

Hello,

I'll get right to it...

Just wondering if anyone could figure out how many different combinations from the information below:

If I picked 45 numbers from the 70 in Keno and thought that 10 out of the 20 winning numbers were in the 45 that I picked, what are the different combinations that I would need to have in a group of 10 per ticket?

Eg:

45 Numbers I Picked from 70

1,3,4,5,6,7,9,11,14,16,17,18,19,21,22,24,25,28,29,30,32,35,36,

42,43,44,45,4... [ More ]