Supercomputers & the lotto....Part2..

Reply #23

RJOh — Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:29:14 GMT

Littlehussey,

The number of possible combinations is not effected by the ball set, the moon or the different gases in the chamber and etc.

Reply #22

littlehussey — Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:54:41 GMT

They could use an unlimited number of ball sets, think they probley only cost $1000 or less and they make alot more than that with ticket sales. The only way a computer could even come close to picking the numbers is if it knew what ball set they were using and it could caculate all the possible ways the balls could fall, but this could be millons of cobinations, and this could depend of alot of things, where the moon is, if there were excess of diffrent gasses in the chamber. etc.

Reply #21

four4me — Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:06:08 GMT

correct.

so basically all you have to do to create your wheel is work with the last 20 or so drawings. A super computer doesn't know how many different ball sets they use it doesn't know which balls will be drawn next. but you can see the history and pick out the hot numbers and wheel them with the remanding numbers and hope for the best.

Reply #20

pumpi76 — Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:51:10 GMT

Four4me:

That may be true, but a wheel works like a fishing net...It traps everything contained in it..That's what an abbreviated wheel does...And that's all you need for the 5 numbers of Powerball...

...If you think about it, the stock market and taxes are a form of lottery...

Reply #19

four4me — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:50:44 GMT

Pumpi

Based on 409 drawings since Wednesday, October 09, 2002

odds winning

5 + 0 $200,000 1 in 3,563,609

you now have 3,563,200 possible combinations that haven't won.

Good LUCK

Reply #18

RJOh — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:22:32 GMT

guesser writes:

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that if I could spend $360 per drawing, I would snag a pick-5 within 4-6 months, but I only allow myself $10 and do what I think is right.

That means he thinks he could spend $56,160 in six months playing a pick5 game in a state like Ohio where the game is played six days per week or $16,560 in Oklahoma where the game is played twice a week and snag the top prize. If he was playing in Oklahoma that would be $25,000 and in Ohio it

Reply #17

four4me — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:32:23 GMT

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that if I could spend $360 per drawing, I would snag a pick-5 within 4-6 months, but I only allow myself $10 and do what I think is right.

you could probably do it with 156 tickets. if you chose the 2 digits that repeat from month to month and wheel the rest.

'The weakest link as always will be the human programming the machine. '

can't argue that point many times it has much to do with what you imput.

And that is the STRONGEST lin... [ More ]

Reply #16

pumpi76 — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:21:53 GMT

Four4me:

If i had 70,000 dollars i could hit 5 numbers of Powerball twice, guaranteed (provided i had the right equipment)....Yes I know that our brain is smarter than a computer but what i am saying is if you went through each of the millions of combinations by hand or with a computer, it will be so hard or impractical, assuming you were looking for special combinations withing each combinations...Example..Looking at the place/positions each numbers in a combinations is placed and Analyzing... [ More ]

Reply #15

guesser — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:58:40 GMT

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that if I could spend $360 per drawing, I would snag a pick-5 within 4-6 months, but I only allow myself $10 and do what I think is right.

'The weakest link as always will be the human programming the machine. '

And that is the STRONGEST link in the current system - the lack of an identifiable human link (that we know of).

One think I wish I knew is how many tickets are sold of the SAME numbers ?

And what total number combos... [ More ]

Reply #14

four4me — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 15:43:59 GMT

lets say you had 100,000 dollars to spend on every draw for mega or power ball and you had a computer select the numbers you would play on those tickets. Based on every conceivable scenario. the odds are still against the computer selecting the numbers that might win. see the computer can't see the outcome of the drawing no more than we can.

the computer can sort through the numbers that have been drawn and the ones that haven't but that doesn't mean that in the 100,000 picks the computer mi... [ More ]

Reply #13

MillionsWanted — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 12:11:29 GMT

Allthough I would like to think a supercomputer one day will be able to crack the lottery code, I am skeptical enough to say a supercomputer will never be able to do it good enough.

The weakest link as always will be the human programming the machine. Then there's the possibility it's just not possible to crack the code with any computers ever.

As posted earlier in a thread in the mathematics forum:

Perhaps several methods must be implemented at the same time and used together in a c... [ More ]

Reply #12

guesser — Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:25:51 GMT

I didn't say someone would go buy one, stick it in their basement, and run cycles on it.

I'm saying you can bet your patutty a 'scientist' or a 'computer person' somewhere has access to one, I did 23 years ago, but didn't do anything like this on it.

And as far as the weather goes, if you compare it to the lottery, then it's either raining, or it's not, it's either windy or it's not, or it's snowing or it's not. What I mean is, a ball doesn't hit because it 'halfway' hit, it... [ More ]

Reply #11

pumpi76 — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:26:00 GMT

guesser:

I don't think someone has tried it on a supercomputer just yet. A supercomputer doesn't cost 10,000 dollars, I decent one cost like 80 million dollars plus maintenance..But i believe soon they will do it..

And about the earth weather, is not just the earth weather..Yes the weather has predictability but to a certain extent..and you can compare the weather of a country with the global weather, which is what i think you are doing...Is not only about the weather but about reactions g... [ More ]

Reply #10

GASMETERGUY — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 09:10:47 GMT

I believe lottories have predictability too.

There are patterns. These patterns repeat from one draw to the next. Sometimes they trend and will run for several draws.

One such trend is the sum of the 5 numbers. If you wanted to know all the number combinations that sum to 190, only a computer can do that with any degree of perfection.

Bring me a suprcomputer and I will win the lotto within six months playing no more than $30 per week. And if you believe that I have some prime real... [ More ]

Reply #9

guesser — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 06:12:56 GMT

First, do you REALLY THINK this has not already been tried on a 'supercomputer' such as a Cray or whatever else ? You can bet your behind somebody somewhere has tried it in their spare time, the possible windfall makes trying this on a SC unavoidable.

Second, to compare what a supercomputer can do with the earth, weather, whatever else, vs. choosing random numbers just won't happen.

The weather isn't random, it has predictability, with jetstreams, hot/cold air masses, tropical depre... [ More ]

Reply #8

RJOh — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:49:12 GMT

Most lottery programs results are *SWAG regardless the amount of time spent coming up with them or else there would be some players winning lotteries several times a year.

*Scientific Wild A.. Guess

Reply #7

GASMETERGUY — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:27:03 GMT

I, for one, wish I had access to a supercomputer. Right now I am using two computers, both of them running the same program. Even with two computers ( one a 2.0 GHz and the other 2.8 GHz)I can only take a small snap shot of the information I would like to have.

I work from 11 pm Monday night until 6pm Wednesday night running various parameters (I do sleep, tho) and then take my best shot .

If I had a supercomputer, I could run all the parameters within minutes. Then I could make a more... [ More ]

Reply #6

four4me — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:36:51 GMT

your talking science fiction here a good plot for a movie maybe. in the real world the computer doesn't know any more than the rest of us what balls will be drawn next.

of course software programs can give probability stats. And any home pc can do that. You don't need a super computer to pick lottery numbers You need LUCK.

Reply #5

pumpi76 — Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:24:32 GMT

What I was saying is a supercomputer can go through all millions of combinations of a particular game in 1 second, it could backtrack combinations and specific type of combinations that will have specific kinds of numbers all in 1 second, something the home computer may take a long while...

If you could hit Megamillions 5 times with a supercomputer, it could cover the cost of a supercomputer..Assuming that the average jackpot of Mega million is between 20 and 40 million.(since nobody hits it

Reply #4

four4me — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:40:06 GMT

supercomputers have already been used the men at nassa worked a program to produce all the combinations for mega mil or power ball.

but you don't need a super computer to do it the math coprocessor on your computer can do it too.

the problem is having enough bucks to buy all the combinations and finding someone that would let you do it. (which they woln't)

supposed you did buy all the winning combinations for a huge jackpot and had to split it with a few other people after taxes you mi... [ More ]

Reply #3

Jimiam — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:37:01 GMT

Pardon me, anyone been smoking too much pot. For some reason this topic seems kind of childish to me. No worries, doesn't bother me and anyone can post what they like. Just some of these topics seem out of left field.

Jimiam

Reply #2

RJOh — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:48:31 GMT

Before a supercomputer can do any task someone has to write a set of instructions to do it same as with a home computer.

The task or picking a group of combinations with the winning combination in any lottery has already been defined and solved, but lottery payouts are designed to make it impractical to try. The average home computer can print out all the possible combinations of any lottery in less than five hours, but it's not practical to play them all.

If you are saying that a superc... [ More ]

Reply #1

Shane3 — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:38:02 GMT

Anyone can pick the lotto numbers...you don't need a super computer.....the problem is it would not be financially beneficial.

Supercomputers & the lotto....Part2..

pumpi76 — Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:57:25 GMT

I know i raised the question whether a supercomputer will in the future be able to crack the lotto...After thoughtfull consideration, i can only conclude that soon in the future (not far anyways) a supercomputer will crack the lotto. It will crack pick6 (1-49), Win for Life pick6 (1-42), pick5, etc...I don't think keno...

Why? For example i am looking at the Earth simulator and the job that this computer is made to do is unimaginable, I mean trying to simulate events happening at once in the... [ More ]