The 2 Low-2 Skip Strategy

Reply #20

WSN1 — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:22:12 GMT

Thanks Keith

Reply #19

cps10 — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:02:35 GMT

That is just it dK...we are looking at having to play these ONLY when the Max Out comes across, kind of along the same lines as WIN D's overdue numbers. That is the only way that it can work itself out. Even if the max is 18, you are probably looking at no more than a couple of draws before it hits.

But even so, the 6-skip start wouldn't be bad. I would be more inclined to see it at a 7-skip start, which is 3 times the mathematical average of 2.33.

Reply #18

WSN1 — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:25:19 GMT

Thanks for the follow-up!

Keith, using your progression chart procedures all the way through for the

0 skip and the 6 skip after a 4 step, we lose big time and both at about the same amount of lose.

In order for the method to have a change using the progression, you must follow

the progression til the strategy hits, otherwise, if you stop on a progression loss

you will have a significant negative to erase to get back to the black, because

a 4 step progression loss is $725 fixed but a... [ More ]

Reply #17

cps10 — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:10:14 GMT

Of course this is online play. I like the waiting 6 skips and playing a 4-step progression best. I know there aren't too many opportunities, but the risk of playing 4-steps with 0 through 4 skips is quite risky. Especially with an 18-skip max. I also think you should wait until there is a win until you are able to play again. And 18-skip cycle would be 4 complete bust-outs...which could be quite expensive.

Reply #16

cps10 — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:58:32 GMT

Here is the progression with straights:

Draw#sBet/UnitUnitsBetIf LossIf Win

1375$375.00 1$375.00 ($375.00)$525.00

2375$375.00 1$375.00 ($750.00)$150.00

3375$375.00 2$750.00 ($1,500.00)$300.00

4375$375.00 3$1,125.00 ($2,625.00)$75.00

5375$375.00 6$2,250.00 ($4,875.00)$525.00

6375$375.00 10$3,750.00 ($8,625.00)$375.00

Here is the progression for boxed:

DrawSGL #sBet/UnitUnitsSGL BetDBL #sBet/UnitUnitsDBL BetTPL #sBet/UnitUnitsTPB BetIf LossS... [ More ]

Reply #15

WSN1 — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:54:16 GMT

Thanks, Fantastic

Reply #14

cps10 — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:43:44 GMT

dK

I like how you are approaching this...both options sound very viable. I will take a look at all of this as soon as I have some time. Very busy at work today...and well, my Tar Heels are on the tube tonight, so I may not get much done tonight either. But I will look at this a little closer and then analyze my state to see where we can go with this.

Reply #13

WSN1 — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:14:52 GMT

Keith, very interesting assessment. However, before we venture there, I looked at the complete history of TX midday and TX evening, see below:

In the midday 84 out of 100 skips are between 0 and 4

In the evening 89 out of 100 skips are between 0 and 4

Why dont we play the 0 (repeat skip) up to a 4 step progression or maybe even a 6 step progression, then end or reset the progression once. No, probably just end the progression and take the lost for the longer skips.

Or as another opti... [ More ]

Reply #12

cps10 — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:16:18 GMT

The 10-12 skips could really do you in. Even the 6s are very expensive. We need to figure out a better strategy. The mathematical skip rate is 3.33, so it might be best to wait until something like this is 6 draws out and then hammer it. That leaves with just 6 draws to the max skip, which isn't all that bad, especially with a box situation.

Reply #11

WSN1 — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:00:12 GMT

Okay, I went through the last 99 skips with the 50# boxed strategy, However, Im thinking it may be best every draw with progressive wagering boxed.. Because it's average skip is 2 draws and the max skip is 12

What do you think? What would this look like?

SerieTimesCur. skipAv. skipMath Av skipMax skip

Bx. Mostly Low Singles120622.113.3312

Last 99 skips

0206601101013331111104131102211261421202171122110020021242062013144040330220114411711022614... [ More ]

Reply #10

cps10 — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 03:17:34 GMT

Let's test a state all the way through...do it straight one time and boxed one time. Would you exclude the doubles? I don't think I would do that.

Reply #9

WSN1 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:19:59 GMT

OKay CPS10, here is the hit/skip order over the 200 draw history. What does this look like with progression. Im using your suggested idea of just waiting til the 2 skips occurs, and play only the next draw, then back until then next setup where the filter hits and follows with 2 skips:

h x h x h x h h h h x x x x h x h h h h x x h h x x x x h h x =

31 plays and 16 hits, about par for the course. 2x the longest skip was 4. I think this much more manageable on and offline, playing straight

Reply #8

WSN1 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:54:58 GMT

Ouch!, I like the suggestion. I gonna record those results and post and we can look at it. I also, like the boxed approach better. Here are the boxed #s (50): 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 025, 026, 027, 028, 029, 035, 036, 037, 038, 039, 045, 046, 047, 048, 049, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349

Reply #7

cps10 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:18:35 GMT

From what I can see, you have a 50/50 shot at getting it right right away - as in the first draw. So, that is actually a pretty decent shot. So, even if you lose the first time, the next time the scenario comes up, you are likely to win the next time, so you could apply the progression that way if you choose. If you go 4 straight 2-skip periods with losses, then that could be a problem. And it would wipe you out.

Any thoughts

Reply #6

cps10 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:16:39 GMT

And offline:

DrawSGL #sBet/UnitUnitsSGL BetDBL #sBet/UnitUnitsDBL BetIf LossSGL WinDBL Win

150$50.00 1$50.00 25$25.00 1$25.00 ($76.00)$4.00 $84.00

250$50.00 6$300.00 25$25.00 3$75.00 ($451.00)$29.00 $29.00

350$50.00 26$1,300.00 25$25.00 13$325.00 ($2,076.00)$4.00 $4.00

450$50.00 120$6,000.00 25$25.00 60$1,500.00 ($9,576.00)$24.00 $24.00

550$50.00 548$27,400.00 25$25.00 274$6,850.00 ($43,826.00)$14.00 $14.00

Reply #5

cps10 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:14:06 GMT

Even boxed online could cause some complications without the right rules for the system:

DrawSGL #sBet/UnitUnitsSGL BetDBL #sBet/UnitUnitsDBL BetIf LossSGL WinDBL Win

150$50.00 1$50.00 25$25.00 1$25.00 ($76.00)$74.00 $224.00

250$50.00 2$100.00 25$25.00 1$25.00 ($201.00)$99.00 $99.00

350$50.00 3$150.00 25$25.00 2$50.00 ($401.00)$49.00 $199.00

450$50.00 5$250.00 25$25.00 3$75.00 ($726.00)$24.00 $174.00

550$50.00 9$450.00 25$25.00 5$125.00 ($1,301.00)$49.00 $199.00... [ More ]

Reply #4

cps10 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:10:49 GMT

Draw#sBet/UnitUnitsBetIf LossIf Win

1375$375.00 1$375.00 ($375.00)$125.00

2375$375.00 4$1,500.00 ($1,875.00)$125.00

3375$375.00 16$6,000.00 ($7,875.00)$125.00

4375$375.00 64$24,000.00 ($31,875.00)$125.00

This is the offline version. Obviously, you have to be much more careful. I would almost suggest a boxed approach for something like this with such volatility. At least you can sustain a much higher drought of skips.

Reply #3

cps10 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:09:35 GMT

Under this scenario, you would be looking at a result of the following:

17 x $525 profit = $8,925

5 x $150 profit = $750

4 x $300 profit = $1,200

1 x $75 profit = $75

Total profits = $10,950

5 losses @ $2,625 = $13,125

Total loss = ($2,175)

I would probably concentrate on hitting after 2 draws and then abandoning it until there is a hit. Meaning, that after the second skip, playing it and if it hits, great, you are up $525. If it loses, wait for it to win, then

Reply #2

cps10 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:05:26 GMT

This is a 4-game online progression:

Draw#sBet/UnitUnitsBetIf LossIf Win

1375$375.00 1$375.00 ($375.00)$525.00

2375$375.00 1$375.00 ($750.00)$150.00

3375$375.00 2$750.00 ($1,500.00)$300.00

4375$375.00 3$1,125.00 ($2,625.00)$75.00

Reply #1

cps10 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:02:03 GMT

WSN1

I will draw up offline and online progressions for this and see what we can generate.

cps

The 2 Low-2 Skip Strategy

WSN1 — Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:39:59 GMT

I executed the following test in TX mid from 1/12/06-9/1/06 (approximately 200 drws).

I was looking for when 2 Low digits hit after 2 skips. This was my results:

Hit after 2 skips=17

Hit after 3 skips=5

Hit after 4 skips=4

Hit after 5 skips=1

Hit after 6 skips=0

Hit after 6+ skips=5 (actual skips= 10, 7, 18, 7, 11)

This is 375 combinations to make 500 offline and 900 online. Can the progression king

or anyone make this strategy a profitable scenario. I proposed playing a 4 game progr... [ More ]