Lottery Pool/Club

Reply #32

lottomania — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:08:49 GMT

Number of boards 60404

Total Price 90606

Numbers (49) 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 2728 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49

Guarantees 5/6

Filters Even numbers Min=3 Max=3

Odd numbers Min=3 Max=3

Sum Min=130 Max=180

Consecutives(2) Min=1 Max=1

Reply #31

lottomania — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:52:40 GMT

i have a better record But using some filters, here the results:

Number of boards 112496

Total Price 168744

Numbers (49) 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 2728 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49

Guarantees 5/6

Filters Even numbers Min=3 Max=3

Odd numbers Min=3 Max=3

Sum Min=130 Max=180

Reply #30

me-thinker — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:23:24 GMT

To Lottomania

It is interesting,so I did some calculations and reduce the amount of tickets to play.I used the exact amount of Your tickets for both of mine 2 different calculations.

OK,here we GO.With,average of High 185 Low 131 the if all 7# come in 49# shown is 1in 64 and the total tickets is 126077,which is better then 219836.

Then I did those 49# with same average and 3even 3odd and cut those tickets to same chance of 1in 64 to 42355.

Now if You have program,tha... [ More ]

Reply #29

lottomania — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:30:00 GMT

Only to inform you this system going for a 5 in 6 100% playing all the 49 numbers has HIT THE JACKPOT 2 times last month matching a 6.

because 5 in 6 is 100% guaranteed AT LEAST 1 times but my records found out some times 4x5.

last saturday draw the system matched :422x 3 match

3 x 5 match and 49x4

a 5 Match in german lotto pays at least 2000-3000 euro

Reply #28

megs-n — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:52:09 GMT

sounds interesting

Reply #27

lottomania — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:11:18 GMT

and for a 5 MATCH guaranteed ticket playing ALL the 49 numbers you need this:

219836

Total Price 329754

Numbers (49) 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 2728 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49

Guarantees 5/6

219836 tickets to hit 100%00 a 5

this is my record 6/49 a 5 in 6 guarantee (100%)

the price is for german lotto 6/49

Reply #26

lottomania — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:59:04 GMT

the best way to win the lotto 6/49 or any other , you must play ALL the numbers. now can you afford that?

in a 6/49 lottery to guarrantee AT LEAST a one 3 MATCH ticket playing ALL the numbers you need 163 combinations( tickets).

this is the best wheel record i know.

will it be worth to invest

Reply #25

tdempsey — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:32:16 GMT

Always good points above - but if the rules are spelled out and signed up front there should be no issues.

And the goal is to have a very trusted pool with a very clean reputation. I asked for suggestions in this area on this board but was shot down.

My pool is going forward and I feel I have a very good plan for trust and building a strong reputation. I also have some amazing game options coming up.

Without pure luck to win, the only option is a scientific covering system with MANY, M... [ More ]

Reply #24

four4me — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:05:06 GMT

Pools are a great place to swim but for playing the lottery they can be a nightmare there are numerous news story's of pools gone bad members disputing winnings disbursing and members who were absent claiming they had a stake in the win etc.etc.

A ten person pool is great for pots above 150 million anything else is a waste. After taxes will people really be happy a year after they win or will they be miffed because the didn't win more.

I have been in many pools over the years when the jack... [ More ]

Reply #23

tdempsey — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:03:24 GMT

Not many people have that much money in the volume needed to cover the draws. That is the purpose of a pool.

I agree there are smaller startegies that help but your odds of winning area much lower than a large pool. I also real the statistic of quick picks vs systems is arounf 50/50.

Of course, you could always do both and play solo and with a group. I think the odds of winning would be exponetial.

Tom Dempsey

Reply #22

tdempsey — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:58:01 GMT

Exactly!!!

And when you add statistical analysys and duplicate checking - your chances of winning are vastly increased. I do not know the formula but will look it up this week.

My initial guess is you subtract the odds down from the number of tickets played to get the new odds of winning the jackpot.

So for the 649 games with odds 1:13,983,816 - buying 1000 tickets would change the odds of winning to 1: 13,982,816.

But the real question is how to you quantify the filtering processes

Reply #21

tdempsey — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:43:02 GMT

I disagree.

Reply #20

tdempsey — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 05:36:52 GMT

Bobp,

I'm not sure if I understand your post. Any single ticket has the same odds of winning as the others. If you buy ticket A, the odds may be 1:13M - and when you buy the second ticket B the odds are still 1:13M - even using the same numbers as ticket A. And the odds played for 1-2-3-4-5-6 is the same - but not a ticket I would not really want unless you are playing the flukes.

The goal is to buy as many tickets as possible in a logical fashion to increase the chances of hitting the jac... [ More ]

Reply #19

jr-va — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:01:11 GMT

The odds of losing are way too high.

I like the supermarket example, and it is actually even worse, your county may not even have the winner. In the case of Mega and Powerball, your state may not even have the winner. No one on the planet wins every now and then, on the Mega and Power games.

If playing a thousand tickets on a game, it is even hard to win Virginia's cash5 game (5 in 34 game), your odds of winning are 1:278 . If you buy a thousand Va. cash5 tickets, there are stil... [ More ]

Reply #18

jarasan — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:32:13 GMT

If the possible set of combinations are in an ordered set......, but each draw includes the entire set (the large square) not several squares of separately defined ordered subsets.

It is more like an active 3D matrix of possible combos, rolling around, following the laws of randomness or quantum-like possibilties when the balls are drawn.

Reply #17

Think — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:05:08 GMT

Don't forget that there are 99,999,999 jackpot losing numbers in the 100,000,000 game while in a 1 in 10,000,000 game there are 9,999,999 jackpot losing numbers or

99,999,999 -9,999,999 = 90,000,000 more losing numbers in the 1 in 100,000,000 game!

Put another way, imagine a square of 10,000,000 numbers

and a square of 100,000,000 numbers .

You could also imagine the 100,000,000 numbers to be 10 squares of 10,000,000 numbers just to make things easier.

Now you know that befo... [ More ]

Reply #16

Todd — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:44:59 GMT

Yes, I also constantly try to set the record straight. There is a big difference between mathematical odds of winning and the realistic chances of winning.

Both 1 in 100,000,000 and 1 in 10,000,000 are extremely difficult/rare to win, with little difference as far as your realistic chances of winning.

At the same time, it drives me nuts when people say buying 10 tickets does not lower your odds from 1 in 100,000,000 to 1 in 10,000,000, as if I'd suddenly said that it was pretty easy to wi... [ More ]

Reply #15

jarasan — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:36:05 GMT

This is what I got hammered for a couple of years ago, and BobP and Todd in an off way, kinda agree with me, although then it was a strict mathematical discussion. If you are talking strictly about odds, then the more tix the better. But if you expect to Win the jackpot, the number of lines played must approach the number of possible combos, simple as that, your actual odds of Hitting the top prize is not going to get much better unless your number of lines starts approaching that number of poss... [ More ]

Reply #14

Todd — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:53:10 GMT

I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm offering some good advice, and it's up to the person reading to decide wat to do with it.

Like BobP said (in a much better way than I did), the odds are so slim no matter which way you go. Playing solo is better from a risk-to-reward standpoint.

Having a thousand tickets for one drawing gives you a better chance of winning, but ever so slightly, and any minisule edge gained does not even the risk-to-reward ratio.

The whole point of playing in a d... [ More ]

Reply #13

KY Floyd — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:14:26 GMT

Your risk to reward ratio isn't any worse by playing in a pool, either. I'd say that makes it strictly a matter of personal preference. There's no objective basis for saying one is better than the other.

OTOH, by suggesting that somebody switch from playing in a pool when jackpots are large to playing solo regardless of jackpot size you're suggesting that they make a deliberate choice to increase their risk relative to the reward. Why spend $1 for a 1 in 20 million chance of winning $5 millio... [ More ]

Reply #12

BobP — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 06:47:58 GMT

The average supermarket in Florida sells more lottery tickets in a day then a club would buy for a draw. If you had all those tickets you would have the same odds as there are of that supermarket posting a notice a day after the draw they had a jackpot winner. How often does your ticket seller sell a jackpot winning ticket?

There is a huge difference between improving the odds and actually ending up holding a winning ticket. I can cut the odds in half by buying two tickets, but they are st... [ More ]

Reply #11

Mario38 — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:49:51 GMT

And the last point. Yes, I do it for fun. Winning a million bucks is what I call fun.

Reply #10

Mario38 — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 05:48:45 GMT

Todd, you appear to be missing the point on many levels.

1. Winning a million dollars is exactly the point. And that is after a pool split and after taxes.

2. The risk reward is best under two conditions. One, large jackpots (winning money contributed in previous draws) and two, playing in a pool.

3. The only way to improve ones chances is to buy lots of tickets. Best way and most economical way is to play in a pool.

4. Large numbers and slim odds does not make it a different balgame... [ More ]

Reply #9

Todd — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:21:12 GMT

Keep in mind, I think it's great to socially play in a pool with some buddies, but not if the goal is tracking a win over time. Just for fun only

Reply #8

Todd — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:20:25 GMT

That's just the point!

By splitting a large jackpot so many ways, there is no point to wait, and there's no point to playing with other people. Your risk-to-reward ratio is no better!

In other words, just go ahead and not only play solo, but do so on low drawings and high drawings. You're in more drawings, improving your chances of a hit, and when you hit you're not sharing with anyone else.

I know that concept can be hard to wrap your head around, but because you're dealing with such l... [ More ]

Reply #7

Mario38 — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:07:42 GMT

That is the whole point. Only by joining a pool can one be part of a purchase of 1,000 tickets. No way would I spend that much myself. By the way, not every drawing. Just when the jackpot is large.

Reply #6

RJOh — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:46:10 GMT

The odds of winning a 649 games are 1:13,983,816. If you've managed to reduce your odds of winning a jackpot to 1:15,000 then you and your pool buddies are buying a thousand tickets per drawing. If you're buying that many tickets per drawing your odds of winning are going to improve significantly whether you're in a pool or not.

Reply #5

Mario38 — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:24:22 GMT

That is one of the biggest falacies promoted by people who do not like group play. Or maybe, people who are disappointed when they see most large jackpots are won by groups.

I have joined some groups for an upcoming 649 draw. My odds of hitting the jackpot is close to 1 in 15,000. Those are great odds. And my share of the jackpot is at least $1 million after taxes.

So the difference in odds is far from negligible.

Reply #4

BuyLow — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:12:06 GMT

Play on your own. The difference in odds is negligible...........and the lack of headaches is priceless.

Reply #3

BobP — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:52:21 GMT

IMHO there are only two legitimate reasons to start a lottery pool or club.

1. You are convinced the weekly purchase of X number of Quick Picks beyond your personal budget is what's necessary to win a jackpot.

2. Your research and on paper plays have provided you with a strategy likely to win if only you could afford X number of lines to play per draw over time.

An honest club uses every dollar for the purchase of tickets. The club owner (who must pay for plays too) handles the pa... [ More ]

Reply #2

tdempsey — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:20:02 GMT

My bad - just looking for some input. You make a good point, though.

Tom Dempsey

Reply #1

Todd — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:36:31 GMT

Please don't use Lottery Post to advertise a lottery pool. Nobody knows you, and you can easily be scamming people. It doesn't matter how sincere you sound, because scammers are very good at sounding sincere. That's how they scam people.

The only answer is don't use LP for this purpose, no matter what.

If you feel you need to advertise a lottery pool, pay for some advertising at Google, Yahoo, or something like that.

Same goes for lottery software.

Thanks.

Lottery Pool/Club

tdempsey — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 06:25:49 GMT

Hi!

My name is Tom Dempsey in Pensacola, Florida and I am seriously considering starting a Lottery Pool/Club for the Florida games.

I'm sure this idea has come up several times but I do not see the threads from before discussing the plans

As most people know, the more you play, the more you win - with a good, organized filtering scheme. But I have limited money to invest each week to make the BIG plays.

My idea is for pools of drawings:

- 10 players in each pool paying $10 per dra... [ More ]