How many combos to win a cash 5 game at least 50% of the time?

Reply #25

MADKAT — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:13:25 GMT

To answer the question about the VA Cash 5 prizes....

$0.25 Bet Pays: Match 5= $25,000

Match 4= $25.00....which I have matched 4 times with two of those times on the same day Day and Night draw.

Match 3= $1.25

$0.50 Bet Pays: Match 5= $50,000

Match 4= $50.00

Match 3= $2.50

$1.00 Bet Pays: Match 5= $100,000

Match 4= $100

Match 3= $5.00

Reply #24

RJOh — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:08:27 GMT

Who would play a game with odds of 1:575757 of winning $10,000 when they could play pick4 with 25 times better odds of winning the same amount

Reply #23

LANTERN — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:31:09 GMT

Hi!

The lower prize are a tease, I would prefer either all the money for the top prize or all the money much more evenly for all prizes, like maybe $10 000 Jackpot, $200 4 out of 5, $15 3 out of 5 and $3 for a 2 out of 5.

Something like that.

Reply #22

RJOh — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:13:35 GMT

Their Jackpot prize is great very good, but they are not paying anything for the lower prizes, Why then do they bother to pay anything at all for them?

Either the money goes just for the jackpot or is given more evenly for all prizes.

When deciding fixed payouts for lower prizes rather than having a pari-mutual scheme, the potential amount that might has to be paid out has to be considered or the states could end up not making 50% of sales or at worst losing money. In either case, the stat... [ More ]

Reply #21

LANTERN — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:44:56 GMT

Hi!

Their Jackpot prize is great very good, but they are not paying anything for the lower prizes, Why then do they bother to pay anything at all for them?

Either the money goes just for the jackpot or is given more evenly for all prizes.

That the jackpot can increase when it rolls over, that is great.

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Tx:

Cash Five Winning Numbers for 02/10/2009 were: 9 - 13 - 19 - 27 - 28

Amount Winners

5 of 5 $11,785 ............................2

4 of 5

Reply #20

LANTERN — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:12:21 GMT

Hi!

At their site I didn't find much information, but they seem to have the cash 5 game 2 times a day.

As you say for 25 Cents they pay $25 000

For 50 Cents, $50 000 and

For $1, $100 000.

There is no mention of any lower prices and might as well as they would not pay nothing any-way.

I guess that all of the money goes for the Jackpot price.

All the states should do the same as you all do.

Imagine winning $25 000 for a 25 Cent ticket.

Here on Tx you are lucky to get $4... [ More ]

Reply #19

Tinker — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:25:46 GMT

Illinois Little Lotto is a 5/39 game. Always starts at $100,000 and rolls over if no one wins.

WAYS TO WIN

Prize Chances AVG Prize

First Prize

Match all 5 numbers in any order

1:575,757 $100,000 starting jackpot

Second Prize

Match 4 of the 5 numbers in any order 1:3,387 $100

Third Prize

Match 3 of the 5 numbers in any order 1:103 $10

Fourth Prize

Match 2 of the 5 numbers in any order 1:10 $1

Overall Chances

1:9

Reply #18

MADKAT — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:43:04 GMT

Here in Virginia our Cash 5 game is a 5/34 game. You can play for $0.25 a line and win $25,000 for a 5/5 ticket. All prizes are NOT paramutual and there can be 10 winners for $25,000 a piece and everyone will receive their $25,000. I think VA is the best Cash 5 game b/c you can play 4 lines for a dollar, its only 5/34 and you get all your prize money regardless of our many winners. However, I too am looking at how to cut back on combos here.

Reply #17

LANTERN — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:21:50 GMT

02/07/2009 02 04 14 20 29 69Sum

02/06/2009 04 15 16 29 30 94Sum

02/05/2009 02 16 30 34 35 117 Sum

02/04/2009 08 13 17 31 36 105 Sum

02/03/2009 04 15 18 21 30 88 Sum

02/02/2009 02 03 18 28 32 83 Sum

01/31/2009 05 15 24 25 26 95 Sum

01/30/2009 11 20 21 28 29 109 Sum

The thing about stats and therefore filters is What do you see when you see this, or how do you see it?

Do you see a line as 1 whole thing?

Do you see this as 5 individual things?

Do you see it in both

Reply #16

LANTERN — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:10:36 GMT

I added the numbers mentaly and as fast as I could so their sums might not be right.

02/07/2009 02 04 14 20 29 69 Sum

02/06/2009 04 15 16 29 30 94 Sum

02/05/2009 02 16 30 34 35 117 Sum

02/04/2009 08 13 17 31 36 105 Sum

02/03/2009 04 15 18 21 30 88 Sum

02/02/2009 02 03 18 28 32 83 Sum

01/31/2009 05 15 24 25 26 95 Sum

01/30/2009 11 20 21 28 29 109 Sum

If I didn't make mistakes there are more odd sums there, but maybe in the long run more or less they might even out enou... [ More ]

Reply #15

LANTERN — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:53:42 GMT

Yes, $50 000 per 100 000 total combos is much better than $27 000 per 1/2 Million combos.

There are some advantages to a 5 characters line versus a 3 characters line, but there might also be cons involved somewhere, I don't know.

The advantages are filter advantages.

Reply #14

LANTERN — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:45:42 GMT

As seen on the MM thread at the systems forum, 20 lines are no better than 1 line or a 100 or a 1000, one must use as many lines as needed in accord with the prediction technique used, if your prediction technique produces 12 000 lines then use them, if it produces 1000 then use them if only 100 then use that, whatever comes out in accord with whatever technique is used, if you technique does not produce 4 of 5 or 5 of 5 why bother with it?

Unless you win $2 or $9 or whatever often enough and... [ More ]

Reply #13

LANTERN — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:35:52 GMT

That is the SURE way, of course, stats and filters practice don't always make for perfect technique, one might need good insights, one needs to know how to best use stats and filters, one needs to know what prediction is all about and then one needs a lot of practice and yet more insights.

On pick 3 often before I was able to overcome the odds, even when playing boxed as I did most often, you are still playing straight, as the game is a straight game no matter how you play it.

You can only... [ More ]

Reply #12

LANTERN — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:22:27 GMT

La Loteria de Tejas esta loca to pay people so little for getting 5 out of 5 almost 1/2 million total combos.

Reply #11

LANTERN — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:17:58 GMT

Maybe you would understand better if you read my old filters posts.

But I tell you, most of sysp34's posts are beyond me, as I don't understand very many of them and or only part of some of them.

Reply #10

LANTERN — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:12:29 GMT

Perhaps you might benefit from some of my old pick 3 filters posts, most of which are on the Lottery Systems forum, use the search feature to find them with, they go back years so use all history when looking for them.

Yes, even after so very many filters posts-tutorials there is still some stuff hidden from the public, but not to worry, there on my past posts there is more than enough stuff that can be used.

I thought that I should keep just a few things to myself, but every once in a whi... [ More ]

Reply #9

GASMETERGUY — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:58:08 GMT

It would seem to me that any filter that had a 50 - 50 ratio, such as odd or even sum, would do the trick. Here in Tennessee repeat numbers have a 47% success rate. 47% of the time there will be a repeat number. Which means that 53% of the time numbers will not repeat.

Still far too many combinations to play even should one posses the financial power. Just filling out 287,000+ slips would be exhausting if not impossible.

Reply #8

rcbbuckeye — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:15:00 GMT

I only play $1 each day on Cash 5. I usually win about 33% of what I play. You're right about the payout, it's not too good. That's why I only play a buck. It just doesn't pay out enough to play more than that, especially if you do win with someone else and end up splitting the jackpot.As recently as 2005 jackpots were $30,000 and more.

I really would like to see Tx start a game like Pa's Quinto. The payout is $50,000 at 100,000 to 1 odds. I would quit Cash 5 in a second for a Pick 5 game. Th... [ More ]

Reply #7

RJOh — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:33:27 GMT

Has anybody ever tried to see how many combos he or she can come out with to win a cash 5 jackpot game at least 50% of the time for sure.

If you want to win the jackpot 50% of the time, you have to increase your odds of winning to 50%. For Ohio that would mean playing 287,879 combinations each time.

Ohio Cash5 is a 5/39 game

possible combos of 5 with 39 numbers are 575757

MATCH ODDS WINNING COMBOS PRIZE AMOUNTS

5/5 1 : 575757 1 JACKPOT $100K+

4/5 1 : 3387 170 $300

3/5 1 : 1... [ More ]

Reply #6

time*treat — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:30:23 GMT

I'd be hoppin' mad to finally hit 5/5 only to be paid ...

01/08/2009 01 07 27 31 33 $4,128 6

Reply #5

edge — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:25:47 GMT

I refered to https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/187687/1205174 (grouping technique in pick 3) its very fascinating, and I admit it is currently beyond me (getting semantics and symbolism right) if i understand it correctly its a kind of filter , i understand why you focus efforts on P3/P4 s such a deep analysis would be formidable for P5 and beyond.

Reply #4

edge — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:19:38 GMT

agree on filter being the key. in fact without it, one might as well abandon whole statistical approach and go with quick picks instead. one definitely need to reduce number of possible outcomes. i tend to (recently) reject previous draw results, and previous pairs (up to given n-day count), work is still on-going , in general though I would (personally) go with short-time span filter and not to dwell on large historical data, but i could be very wrong of course, and of course much deeper filter... [ More ]

Reply #3

LANTERN — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 04:09:31 GMT

Scratch off the last post, for Tx is mostly wrong, there are more fail safe ways of filtering if there was software that had those filters, but jackpot games software I guess, at least the very few that I have seen, have almost no filters.

Developers seem to know very little about filtration.

Reply #2

LANTERN — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:41:31 GMT

Thanks!

I have not yet played with filter software for jackpot games, but there is a filter that if one knows which of 4 patterns will come out next that one filter should reduce the total combos to 1/10 or fewer, I have not tried it yet, I have been thinking about that filter and many others, one of this days I will play with some filters software for jackpot games and see for real what can be done, one problem that I have always seen is that filters software for jackpot games don't seem to... [ More ]

Reply #1

edge — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:14:45 GMT

superb analysis!, thank you LANTERN

How many combos to win a cash 5 game at least 50% of the time?

LANTERN — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:04:54 GMT

Has anybody ever tried to see how many combos he or she can come out with to win a cash 5 jackpot game at least 50% of the time for sure.

Since cash 5 games in general pay so little (at least here on Tx), this is regardless of how much the jackpot prize pays.

The thing is, How much can you lower the number of combinations predicted and still get the winning number 50% of the time (Always).

I just wonder what is the best that people can do.

I guess that cash 5 games have from 35 to 39... [ More ]