One way or another

Reply #16

Moses — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:29:24 GMT

Hi Newb

There was the time that Camelot said there are 30,000 people have selected 01,02,03,04,05,06 and have kept them for the long period of time but they still guaranteed the 10 before the draw, that just shows how confident they were!

Well, obviously because they know the results before hand!

Moses

Reply #15

Newb — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:23:09 GMT

Looking at the past history a 1,2,3,4,5,6 combination would not land anyone more than 10...but I'm sure UK Lotto does not want to rock the boat as long as that money keeps rolling in.

Reply #14

Moses — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:48:40 GMT

Hi Newb

I know exactly what you're saying and you're right anyway! There is not a mathematician in the world can say or predict how many 10 winners will win ahead of the game!

This is like I'll give you or anybody 10,000 and we go to casino, the choice of gambling is yours but on one bet only! Can you tell me how much you will win with my 10k and how much you will keep to yourself for your hard work and how much you will pay me back before you place your bet?

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Reply #13

Newb — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:56:32 GMT

This is something I've wondered wondered about for a long time. How are they so sure 2million+ people wont match the 10 minimum prize? Are they just hoping it wont happen? Lots of people choose numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 but despite what probability says, reality tells me these numbers wont come up.

Last week I played a set of tickets that had every number between 10 - 19 on different lines EXCEPT the #16, and low and behold the only number between 10 - 19 that came up was #16. Coincidence? I... [ More ]

Reply #12

Moses — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:49:32 GMT

Time*treat

I am glad that you discovered that they are shafting people in UK as you called it!

UK rules; below words from UK Lottery Commission from his letter to my MP

Firstly I should clarify the calculation of the National Lottery Prize Fund. For each draw, 45% of the sales is allocated to Prize Found. All 10 winners are deducted and the reminder divided as follows

Match 6 of 6 (jackpot) 52%

Match 5 of 6 + BB - %16

Match 5 of 6 10%

Match 4 of 6 22

Reply #11

time*treat — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:22:52 GMT

I found they do have a disclaimer for your lottery: On the prize breakdown pages

Depending on the number of winners overall and per prize category, prizes may on occasion be less than stated above.

Rather than limit the number of bets on a single number like for most games here, they simply shaft the winners when it suits them. So, in the event they slip up and let that many people play the same number and win a very large prize category, they will have some very disappointed winners. Par... [ More ]

Reply #10

time*treat — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:08:13 GMT

If the prize pool for all prize categories are suppose to be paid orshared amongst the winners then it does not matter how many winnersthere are!

That isn't how the prize money is handled.

The prize pool must be divided to the actual winners! Must ? Not necessarily. You can't make the rules for their lottery.

Theway you say it then its okay to pay the share of the jackpot to oneperson and keep the rest for the next draw!

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Reply #9

Moses — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 18:17:58 GMT

time*treat

I think you are contradicting yourself

You said Let's suppose only 1 person in all the UK bought a ticket for the drawing and matched 3 numbers. The budget for the 3rd prize pool is over 13mill, but the single winner is still only going to get paid 10. (Would you call that cheating?) The remaining 13,888,878 gets carried over to the next drawing along with all the money in the other tiers. That creates a cushion for when many people win, which will happen with much less frequenc... [ More ]

Reply #8

time*treat — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:54:48 GMT

If you are asking How can the lottery can always ensure the 10# prize no matter how many people win?

A: No doubt there is a limit on how many times a particular combination is allowed to be played.

Also the lottery doesn't distribute the entire amount for the prize level on most days, they can roll that over. Here's an extreme case.

Jackpot prize: 10,000,000, then using the numbers you posted earlier:

%18 = jackpot -- 10,000,000

%22 = Second prize (5+ bonus ball) -- 22/18 * 10,00... [ More ]

Reply #7

Moses — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:01:43 GMT

Hi time*treat

This is not about who is right and who is wrong! The reason I posted my question on this forum was that, I expected someone like JADElottery will come up with some sort of mathematical analysis with some accurate answers! If there is no way to assess the possibilities then we will never know the true answers!

However, as far as taking my complaint to officials, I have done that too and still waiting for reply if I ever get it!

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Reply #6

time*treat — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:30:36 GMT

If you are in fact correct, and I am in fact wrong, then you should file a complaint with the UK Lottery.

A check of their past results...

http://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/results/resultsHistory/resultsHistoryAction.do

shows they have paid out a fixed L10 (ten pounds) for matching 3 of 6, regardless of how many people matched higher prizes.

As long as those rules are still in effect, the answer is still no .

Reply #5

Moses — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:33:19 GMT

Hello time*treat

I don t really understand what you re saying or suggesting!

Every prize category has a budget or a prize-pool based on percentage of the lottery income, isn t it?

Assuming the UK lottery sales for last Wed draw was 40m, about 50 percent of this sales stay in house and the other 50 percent will be divided to all possible prize categories!

%18 = jackpot

%22 = Second prize (5+ bonus ball)

%15 = third prize (5 numbers)

%20 = forth prize (4 numbers)

%25

Reply #4

time*treat — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:55:42 GMT

Can you imagine the scenario that Mr X s ticket matched 5 numbers along with 1000s of other people which his share from the prize pool will be 15 and Mrs Y s ticket matched 3 numbers along with few other people which her share from the prize pool will be 20,000

It hasn't happened because the prize structure prevents it. Pick 6 lotteries have small fixed prizes for match 3; in the $3-$5 range.

No matter how few people matched 3 of 6, they wouldn't be paid $1000s for doing so.

Reply #3

RJOh — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 21:19:38 GMT

Sorry I couldn't be of any help. It has been my experience when it comes to lotteries, there are no simple YES or NO answers for every question lottery players ask especially when they get beyond those questions about odds, jackpots and history that most first time lottery players want to know.

Keep looking, I'm sure you'll find someone with an answer you like because there are plenty of players who have been playing lotteries for years and know a lot about them even though they've never won... [ More ]

Reply #2

Moses — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:21:11 GMT

Hello RAJO

Thanks for your reply but this is not what I am after! I am looking for YES it is possible or NO it is not possible and if yes, then what are the odds for these possibilites not to happen ever and also how to figure out the accurate possibilities as I explained for each variation in mathematical terms?

We re talking about lots of lotteries worldwide and 1000s and 1000s of draws and this situation of mixed dividends had never and ever happened! What if it was happening in re... [ More ]

Reply #1

RJOh — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:08:15 GMT

As with any lottery, anything is possible but somethings are more likely. Since there are more lower tier winning combinations, it more likely that more players will win one of the lower tier prizes than those winning the higher tier prizes.

possible combos of 6 with 49 numbers are 13983816

MATCH ODDS WINNING COMBOS

6/6+0 1 : 13983816 1

*5/6+B 1 : 2330636 6

5/6+0 1 : 55491 252

*4/6+B 1 : 22197 630

4/6+0 1 : 1083 12915

*3/6+B 1 : 812 17220

3/6+0 1 : 61 229600

One way or another

Moses — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:00:32 GMT

Hello to all

I have one question to ask!

If we take lottery 649 plus the power ball (bonus) as example then;

Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesserthan people getting 4 numbers correct?

Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesserthan people getting 5 numbers correct?

Is it possible that the number of people getting 3 numbers correct to be Lesserthan people getting 5 plus PB numbers c... [ More ]