Is There Any Way To Predict Pick-5? Past Performance is "Gamblers Fallacy"

Reply #24

Liber8tor — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:13:01 GMT

Yes.. I see what you say. It's fairly easy to use a pencil and paper to go back 10 or 20 games and see which numbers have repeated.

I thought maybe there was a Random Number Generator on line that would give you that information. (im lazy)

I did notice that when a repeat number gets hot.. it only does so for a short time , maybe 1 to 3 games.. and then it is done. If a repeat number gets hot it is going to be fairly short-lived in it's Hotness . The most times that Ive found a... [ More ]

Reply #23

Rockwell — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:41:39 GMT

Best way tracking is using a crayon and a pad.

If you watch the results and track repeats / skips .. then last night was Hit.

Numbers 05 and 09 repeated. Numbers 06 and 15 came out on a one skip. Number 20 came out as well and was the current COLDEST take 5 ball.

So you have 2 numbers repeat, 2 numbers skipped.

No calculators, write it down and track them.

Reply #22

LANTERN — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:07:04 GMT

I don't understand what you mean by:

Are there any calculators available on-line (for free) that will give you repeat numbers for the pick 5?

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Calculators?

Repeat numbers?

I don't get it.

Reply #21

LANTERN — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:04:16 GMT

edge

Thanks very much

Reply #20

Liber8tor — Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:12:35 GMT

Are there any calculators available on-line (for free) that will give you repeat numbers for the pick 5?

I know that you can purchase software packages that have that as a feature... but ...

I spent my budget last week on Gail Howard's book.. Lottery Master Guide .

BTW.. don't waste your money on Gail Howard's Books. All they are is one big commercial to convince you to buy her software. I tried her formulas and none of them tested well.

Reply #19

edge — Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:22:43 GMT

extremely good write up, thanks LANTERN for cold but necessary calculations.

Reply #18

LANTERN — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:21:02 GMT

I am reposting this, I had posted it on another thread days ago.

You need to know what the lottery odds are first, before you see if you can do better than them or not.

As they say, Proof is in the pudding

Beware of mistakes.

How to rate predictions and or prediction software.

5/37

5/5 = 435,897

4/5 = 2,724.36

3/5 = 87.88

2/5 = 8.79

1/5 = 2.42

So for Tx, if you get 1 number right out of 5 on 1 line and 0 numbers right on another line, if you played 2 line... [ More ]

Reply #17

RJOh — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:10:36 GMT

I thought.. gee... here is friend of mine who has a Masters Degree in Math.. if there is anybody who could help me narrow the odds.. this would be the guy ! ....lol

What made you think if a guy could help you narrow the odds of winning millions of dollars he wouldn't have done it for himself first? Or for a few beers he would have at least been willing to think about it? He may have given it some serious thought afterward but if he did, you'll never know.

Reply #16

LANTERN — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:09:46 GMT

There is a way to marry Math with Lotto, but first you need to educate or show proof to your friend and since he has a masters on Math, it would be very hard to give proof, you would have to know enough about statistical lottery prediction to be able to give proof, that statistical lottery prediction can give a good enough advantage over playing quick picks, this of course doesn't mean that a profit can be made, maybe or maybe not, but you can do better than by playing quick picks, that is for s... [ More ]

Reply #15

Liber8tor — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:49:55 GMT

Yes.. that's what I thought.

But I thought.. gee... here is friend of mine who has a Masters Degree in Math.. if there is anybody who could help me narrow the odds.. this would be the guy ! ....lol (I buy him lots of beer.. it's the least he can do...)

There should be a way to marry Math and Lotto.. but I'm not seeing it.

I know the Pick 5 is a suckers bet.. I dont want their crappy free tickets and even if I hit 3 numbers I get, what.... $5? Whoopie...

But like other posters here..... [ More ]

Reply #14

Rockwell — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:21:07 GMT

GIVE FIVE - Not weird at all. I've been doing it since the inception of the Take 5 game. Makes me Krazy!

But seriously, the facts remain that trends / patterns / cycles exist because I track them, I use them, I win using Them. Partial Quick Picks is just a simple alternative. If Number 23 comes out tonight, I win ! Maybe not Jackpot, but minimum 3 numbers...you betcha.

Reply #13

LANTERN — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:20:44 GMT

I guess that some or many or those who know too much Math are handicapped by it lottery prediction wise.

Of course, to them there is something called random that should tell enough about them, that is how much they really know (Don't know).

Reply #12

Rockwell — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:14:38 GMT

RNG = Random Number Generator. Simply random drawings. Every day a draw. Every day is random.

When I suspect a Ball will repeat, sometimes an angle with the Partial Quick Pick can easily remedy your decisions. For example: Number 03 has 11 repeats last year. If its drawn, then the following drawing I select 03 with the QP selected on every game. It's a shot when you have no idea what the best pairs are.

But, if Ball 03 has a best pair = number 19 then I play 03, 19 on every game Partial Qu... [ More ]

Reply #11

GiveFive — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:10:35 GMT

Thanks for the compliment.

I think I should add a few things to what I wrote earlier. First, I track Take5 numbers because I think they're fascinating and I enjoy doing it. I know. I'm weird....

Secondly, I only play what I think I can afford to lose and no more. That's maybe 10 to 15 bucks a week. That's because I know the lottery is a sucker bet. That said, there have been quite a few suckers that are very glad they bought a ticket. I see no reason why I couldn't or shouldn't be a suck... [ More ]

Reply #10

Liber8tor — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:44:24 GMT

Yes.. I think you hit it Gas. We are trying to compare apples and oranges. But my buddy told me that the Binomial Formula is meant to predict a 2-sided coin toss... which is a random event. Whcih should work for lotto.. but it doesn't.

But that gets back to the randomness of the early part of a coin flip.. the more flips you do... the results will tend to even out to equal amouts of Head/Tails.

I have noticed that is similar with Lotto numbers.. the further Number of draws you go back.. t... [ More ]

Reply #9

GASMETERGUY — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:32:09 GMT

You and your neighbor are on two different levels. You are discussing random events and he is discussing proven mathematical axioms.

You are attempting to move beyond the proven. Once you have made that decision, you find that nothing can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Your neighbor refuses to move into that world.

We, on the other hand, will go where even Angels fear to tread.

Reply #8

Liber8tor — Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:20:24 GMT

I agree Give 5. I think there are patterns. Of course, everyone knows, that at least one number from last night's drawing will repeat every other game. The problem.. is to pick which number is going to repeat?

I can't afford to include all five numbers from the past game, because that makes a play ticket too expensive for me.

I used to watch total sum and even/odd.. but I dont think that is so important anymore. What kills you is when you get that cold number that comes in from left field... [ More ]

Reply #7

edge — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:54:13 GMT

congratulations, nice discipline

Reply #6

GiveFive — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:29:37 GMT

Rockwell is spot on. There absolutely are discernable patterns and trends.

I keep an Excel spreadsheet of NY's Take5 (5/39) drawings. It has a rolling 365 days of drawings on it. Each day, from the previous nights drawing I add the winning set of numbers, and delete the set of winners from the oldest drawing from a year ago.

Here are a few things I've seen on that spreadsheet:

75% of all drawings have a single digit number in the first position.

82% of all drawings have a number in t... [ More ]

Reply #5

RJOh — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:02:55 GMT

What is RNG? Random Number Groups?

Random Number Generator - It's a computer program that picks numbers in an unpredictable manner and no patterns. Some states are now using them to replace their ping pong balls lottery machines.

Reply #4

Liber8tor — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:42:51 GMT

Good info Rockwell. Thanks for the post. What is RNG? Random Number Groups?

I would have to agree that the more statistics you have... certain quirks or patterns appear.

I have had better luck using skips or time between appearances. For instance.. in the Florida 5-36 Game... each number is expected to appear every 7 or 8 times. This stat has usually held true. If a number goes much over 10 skips.. it has gone cold.

No, my buddy doesn't gamble. His sticks by his math. I tried to ask hi... [ More ]

Reply #3

Liber8tor — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:26:02 GMT

Yes.. I agree, Pumpi. You would think that no matter how many tosses.. the results would be random? That would be my feeling too. But Statistics say that the more the tosses... the probabilty and results tend to come back to 50/50.

We did discuss the physical factrors such as aluminum coins and humditiy and air friction and such things... but my buddy says that for the sake of the argument.. they assume fair coins... coins that are not altered in any way. They even have machines that flip the... [ More ]

Reply #2

Rockwell — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:23:31 GMT

In essence, the math is correct. If you flip a coin it is 50/50 every flip that heads will prevail. However there are Probabilities and Averages. These Laws do exist, and can be superimposed with RNG.

Also, when it comes to predicting Pick 5 you can entertain more FACTS into the formula.The more stats you have, the more angles you can illustrate; which can equate to a winning edge.

Numbers have a history. It's called a pattern, or a trend. Numbers also cycle. The frequency of an individual... [ More ]

Reply #1

pumpi76 — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:16:48 GMT

i wanted to mention this going on about 2 or 3 years...The idea that if you toss a coin 100 times, 50% of the time it will be heads the other 50% it will be tails, that sounds like magic, the ratio should be random, a coin doesnt have memory/recollection of its previous accomplishment...It should be RANDOM...that process to me is like magic or the influence of some force beyond this world or the influence of the Earth s GRAVITY...Just the same way when the balls are colliding you dont know which... [ More ]

Is There Any Way To Predict Pick-5? Past Performance is "Gamblers Fallacy"

Liber8tor — Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:54:56 GMT

Yesterday.. after mowing my lawn.. I was sitting around the garage when my neighbor (who is a college math teacher) came over, and we had an hour-long discussion (well, OK, an argument) concerning the above topic.

Obviously.. he is way more knowledgeable about math than I am. (I barely passed Algebra-101).

He says that no matter what... in picking lottery numbers, the (P) probability always remains at .5 or 50/50. For instance.. say you toss a coin... the (P) is .5 that it will come up hea... [ More ]