5/39 on EVEN/ODDs and Patterns

Reply #45

jimmy4164 — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 22:18:15 GMT

Garyo1954,

If you're talking to me above, I may not have been clear earlier. The only reason I mentioned the Prob of ODD/EVEN in the first position was in response to your prediction that it would probably be EVEN because it had been ODD for the previous 5 days. Actually, I don't expect the results on any given day to have any relationship whatsoever with previous results, especially in live, televised, mechanical ball machine draws. See Don Catlin's take on this issue. It's mine as well. My... [ More ]

Reply #44

garyo1954 — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 07:39:13 GMT

I'll join that discussion, setting this aside for a few days while I rework some files. I did give thought to running 5 random numbers in various ranges against the databases.

The big drawback is IT WOULD NEVER PRODUCE MORE THAN ONE 5 NUMBER WINNING COMBINATION.

The natural progression is to extend the random set. I'm working with 7 at this point. That produces ten combinations of 5 digits so the probability of finding more than one match seems likely. And it offers more chances for lower... [ More ]

Reply #43

jimmy4164 — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 00:35:00 GMT

Garyo1954,

I have a fairly lengthy post under construction which gets further into how the choice of your number system BASE effects most of the selection methods based on digits and frequency counts of various types. However, I'm thinking it would be better for me to start a new thread for this so as not to start to coopt this one. In the meantime, give this some thought as you pursue your ideas here.

Thanks,

--Jimmy4164

p.s. The reason I said you had a (19/39) chance of being corre... [ More ]

Reply #42

Todd — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 12:29:44 GMT

It doesnt matter what happened in another thread, it is against the rules to attack someone, so don't do it -- here or in any other thread.

Please do not reply to this post with another lengthy explanation. I do not want this thread hijacked.

Reply #41

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:50:20 GMT

Todd

Yes I attacked jimmy in this thread. Seems to me the word debate has a different meaning

depending on the person who makes the post. I have been called by jimmy, disingenuous

a purveyor of software and untruthful. He has taken it upon himself to attack me and my system

which he still does not understand or maybe he does but is really trying to save face. He has stated

that he thwarted an attemp by me to sell my software.

Think about that statement for a moment and ask your... [ More ]

Reply #40

garyo1954 — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:53:11 GMT

Jimmy, I can remember reading my first book on Fotran and Cobol, and assembly languages and deciding to look at the flow charts and pray for a simpler way. So I can appreciate your reference. In programming I can appreciate your strict adherence to rules. The best programmers acknowledge thinking like a human and thinking like a computer are different.

So many rules to follow.

Rules of life, rules of the road, rules of order, rules of war, even rules to anarchy! There rule for breaking rul... [ More ]

Reply #39

Todd — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:35:21 GMT

@RL-RANDOMLOGIC:

Because of the tremendous volumes of annoying bickering and name-calling that went on between you and jimmy4164 in a previous thread (which I had to lock), I spent the time to go back and see who started trolling this thread.

And that person is you. I'm going to ask you to stop it right now. If you can't have a civil discourse, then please refrain from posting on a thread with jimmy4164 or anyone else who raises your ire.

This post that I'm quoting above is the first na... [ More ]

Reply #38

jimmy4164 — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:11:51 GMT

Raven62,

Their's more to tracking then just the Number of Hits during the Sample Period: Like: How long has it been since the Last Hit.

Given this comment, I'm surprised you haven't taken this article more seriously, which I posted earlier in this thread.

Substitute BALL for PAGE. Cache size will be the size or your set to draw from...

http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/dmodha/ARC.pdf

--Jimmy4164

Reply #37

Raven62 — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:35:59 GMT

Their's more to tracking then just the Number of Hits during the Sample Period: Like: How long has it been since the Last Hit.

Reply #36

jimmy4164 — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:50:34 GMT

RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

This post was addressed to Garyo1954, not to you.

When you can't critique my analysis, you question my experience.

Fortran code on punched cards is not the issue under discussion in this thread and I'm not interested in programming tests.

It would help if you could stay on topic.

You're such a warm and friendly guy, but you do seem to have a problem handling criticism.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #35

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:46:35 GMT

Jimmy

because if I could successfully write and submit on punched cards Fortan programs many years ago to simulate proposed modifications to Operating System Parameters

Care to take a test on the old punch-card and Fortan to show you are not feeding us the bull that I think

you are. I still have my Fortan programming books around here somewhere. I think the only encryption

you ever worked on came of a magazine rack at the local super market. I will give you a probelm and

Reply #34

jimmy4164 — Thu, 18 Nov 2010 05:20:04 GMT

Garyo1954,

I'm glad you're inspired to write a backtester for some of your ideas. In some cases, it's the only reasonable and/or practical way to convince yourself of the value of a method. I think the principal architect of the Digit System may just not have the time to simulate his system because if I could successfully write and submit on punched cards Fortan programs many years ago to simulate proposed modifications to Operating System Parameters, he should surely be able to calculate thr... [ More ]

Reply #33

garyo1954 — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:38:55 GMT

Okay, Jimmy you got me on that one. There is no rhyme or reason that dictates a change in numbers or patterns, aside from personal experience. Number appear to have an abb and flow. Theorectically, like water, they appear to seek their own level. Some balance in the universe; some order out of chaos; the same rule that says flipping a coin 100 times will not result in 100 HEADS. Likely it is the same rul that says if I keep baiting the hook, I will catch a fish.

The fact you called me on pers... [ More ]

Reply #32

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:54:58 GMT

Jimmy

Trying to be serious. There are 120 different combinations of 7 in 10. I know what the odds

are for doing this. Static filter settings culd have reduced this to 3 or 4 lines. Just making a

point. Good luck with your QP's

RL

Reply #31

jimmy4164 — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:50:03 GMT

RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

Congratulations!

Where will you be vacationing?

--Jimmy4164

Reply #30

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:39:53 GMT

Jimmy

Here are the total combinations for last nights draw using 7 digits.

1-2-3-5-9-0 all set to hit one time and digit 6 twice. No other filters

were used. Total lines produce = 15.

05 06 10 26 39

05 06 10 29 36 - 5 of 5

05 06 16 20 39

05 06 16 29 30

05 06 19 20 36

05 06 19 26 30

05 09 10 26 36

05 09 16 20 36

05 09 16 26 30

06 09 10 25 36

06 09 10 26 35

06 09 15 20 36

06 09 15 26 30

06 09 16 20 35

06 09 16 25 30

RL

Reply #29

jimmy4164 — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:05:59 GMT

RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

Uh Huh...

--Jimmy4164

Reply #28

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:51:40 GMT

Jimmy

I am really beginning to think that you truly don't understand the digit system. All along I

was thinking you just to be another troll that belived no advantage could be gained by

selecting one's own numbers. While it's true that I would not play the 5x2 number set

above I often play three of these numbers on one line. The above comment about the

expected number of draws is what the digit system is based on. If you play the above set

34 numbers are omitted, what would mak... [ More ]

Reply #27

jimmy4164 — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:18:50 GMT

garyo1954,

After a quick perusal of your post above, I was ready to post a full I Agree to the whole thing. Then I read more slowly and found, An inordinate amount of Evens or Odds, or Highs or Lows in a certain position has to mean a coming change.

Now why did you have to go and say that? With the exception of that sentence, most mathematics professors would agree with your entire post! I found this post while scanning for another one that might be in this thread where I think someone re... [ More ]

Reply #26

garyo1954 — Wed, 17 Nov 2010 03:47:14 GMT

Brain strain over!!!!! Yep! Yep! Yep!

I gave up tracking the HEHOLELOHE and the HOHOHOHOHO and the HEHEHEHEHE. What good are they anyway? Once the draws are put in order they are likely to be LELOHEHEHO and LELELOHOHEs!

So this would do the same thing.....

6 9 18 20 30 83 E,O,E,E,E L,L,L,H,H

7 16 22 26 27 98 O,E,E,E,O L,L,H,H,H

6 8 13 22 35 84 E,E,O,E,O L,L,L,H,H

8 13 17 25 37 100 E,O,O,O,O L,L,L,H,H

7 14 19 28 37 105 O,E,O,E,O L,L,H,H,H

15 25 26 27 32 125 O,O,E,O,E... [ More ]

Reply #25

garyo1954 — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:17:09 GMT

PAIRS....

These are the same pairs posted last night. They were produced from the Texas Cash 5/37 through 3899 draws. Of the 666 total pairs these hit the most. This time instead of only looking at the totals the chart has been expanded to determine where they land in each draw. 1 2 denotes the first and second position, 1 3 denotes the first and third position, etc.

Draws Pair 1 2 1 3 1 4 1 5 2 3 2 4 2 5 3 4 3 5 4 5 TOTAL

3899 4,20 8 26 21 4 4 11 2 1 1 0 78

3899 12,27 1 11 14 5 12 1... [ More ]

Reply #24

garyo1954 — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:14:24 GMT

I agree CT. In looking, checking, changing, flipping, flopping, and sprinkling magic dust, I haven't experienced one single EUREKA! moment. (TRUTH: I don't think there is one. ) But I could be wrong.

Naturally, people who choose their own numbers, and people who are considering the game for the first time (I'm new too this myself) might find something useful. Still I wouldn't advocate anyone go out and spend $21, or $32, or $1024 on any idea here. I haven't found anything so far that has give... [ More ]

Reply #23

Coin Toss — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:24:29 GMT

garyo1954,

What I think of pairs is that they pay $1 in the Illinois Little Lotto (5/39, payout for 2 of 5). I know you're hinting at knowing pairs and combining them with other numbers, but that's still a long shot.

Like I said before, it's obvious you've put a lot of work into this but I still don't see it passing the so what test.

I haven't seen anywhere on a playslip yet to choose HL, OE, or any of that.

A player could have absolute knowledge that the next drawing will produce tw... [ More ]

Reply #22

garyo1954 — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:42:51 GMT

Dealing with repeating pairs......

A pair was formed by combining each number in the 1 to 37 set combined with every other number. Each of the 666 pairs (uh-huh 666) were compared to the 3899 draws in the Texas 5/37. I am posting the top 17 because, well, I read CT posts......and gave it some thought.

Draws PAIRS Totals

3899 4, 20 78

3899 12, 27 75

3899 2, 16 75

3899 2, 8 75

3899 28, 37 74

3899 15, 29 74

3899 8, 21 74

3899 2, 14 74

3899 15, 24 73

3899 7, 15 73... [ More ]

Reply #21

garyo1954 — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:49:02 GMT

I did rerun all the data using only the 2597 draws of the Texas 5/37. The difference between what was originally posted and the new data is tenths of a percentage point. I can post it if anyone wants.

Yes, CT. The more I consider the Even/Odd, High/Low approach, the more dread sets in. It may be placed on the back burner for now. As it stands we already have 185 individual numbers places in a 5 by 37 matrix, which have already determined to be even or odd and within three designated sets. Thi... [ More ]

Reply #20

Coin Toss — Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:26:48 GMT

GASMETERGUY,

There was a slot tech. in Vegas who wrote a booklet on playing video Keno. His whole premise was that on any given matrix there can only e ba finite set of numbers, thus a finite set of patterns.

He wrote about people playing lucky numberd, birthdays, etc...ad nauseam whn what they should be doing was playing patterns.

Granted that's an awful lot of patterns, but he went on further to suggest (bear in mind this was for video Keno) only playing one to five spots, not trying... [ More ]

Reply #19

garyo1954 — Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:42:12 GMT

LOL, Jimmy it isn't a problem finding ways to sort data. The minds here at Lottery Post never run out of possibilities. But I like your suggestion.

Originally I wrote a sort program to answer to answer one question, which led to programming a baseline for the entire set. But sometimes the answers leave you with more questions. And once it was established where the numbers fell from each subset, the progression led to EVEN/ODD combinations. And all that is good and well, I'm actually having s... [ More ]

Reply #18

jimmy4164 — Sun, 14 Nov 2010 07:11:23 GMT

garyo1954,

Maybe this guy Bennett Haselton can help. His email address is here, so you could describe your problem and send it to him. You'd be surprised at how helpful these sorts of people are if they find your problem challenging.

http://www.brainjammer.com/math/combinatorics/

--Jimmy4164

Reply #17

garyo1954 — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:20:23 GMT

Even/Odd Pattern Breakdown for Texas 5/37 in 3897 draws

5 Even/0 Odd - EEEEE = 92 = 2.3%

Combos of 4 Even/1 Odd

EOEEE = 102

EEEOE = 99

EEEEO = 97

OEEEE = 91

EEOEE = 80

TOTAL = 469 = 12%

Combos of 3 Even/2 Odd

EEOEO = 154

OEEEO = 152

EOEEO = 148

EOEOE = 141

OEOEE = 130

OEEOE = 129

OOEEE = 112

EOOEE = 110

EEOOE = 102

EEEOO = 99

TOTAL = 1277 = 32.7%

Combos of 3 Odd/2 Even

OEOEO = 180 -------

EOOEO = 156

EOEOO = 141

OEEOO = 1... [ More ]

Reply #16

garyo1954 — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:44:12 GMT

If you've ever wondered if 5 consecutive numbers have been drawn, YES! At least in Texas.

Consecutive Numbers:

5 consecutive numbers have been drawn once.

WHOA! Draw number 1942 on Friday, August 13, 2004 produced 20, 21, 22, 23, 24!!!!

4 consecutive numbers have been drawn 8 times. 3 in the first four positions, 5 in the second four.

3 consecutive numbers have been drawn 144 times. 51 first three, 45 in the second three, and 48 in the last three.

2 consecutive numbers have bee... [ More ]

Reply #15

garyo1954 — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:28:04 GMT

In dealing with SETS, the distribution was changed to 12 digits per SET in the Texas 537 rather than the 13 used in 5/39. Our PATTERNS are defined as Low set - Mid set - High set, i.e., 5-0-0, 4-0-1, 0-3-2, etc.

The FIRST SET is 1 to 12. (Low set)

The SECOND SET 13 to 24. (Mid set)

THIRD SET is 25 to 37. The THIRD SET has an extra number. (High set)

In 3897 draws, PATTERN 5-0-0 produced 4 combinations of FIRST SET numbers.

In 3897 draws, PATTERN 0-5-0 produced 8 combinations of SE... [ More ]

Reply #14

garyo1954 — Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:16:38 GMT

For those of you who were wondering I went ahead and ran this same function for the Cash5 game in Texas. Keep in mind the Texas Cash5 is a 5 of 37 game. Still it will give you a good idea of how to apply the baseline laid out to this point.

I used 3897 Cash 5 Draws from Texas.

The results:

Total Even (by position): 1841 1892 1949 1989 1751

Total odd (by position): 2056 2005 1948 1908 2146

Difference -215 -113 +1 +81 -395

PCT EVEN 47.% 48.% 50.% 51.% 44.%

PCT ODD 52.% 51.% 50... [ More ]

Reply #13

jimmy4164 — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:27:12 GMT

GASMETERGUY,

What we need now are just those explorations which have been contributed on this thread.

Given your results thus far, maybe what you need is a fresh new approach. As you know, I am convinced that the randomness of lottery draws is sufficient to preclude success at predicting them. However, if there is ANY possibility that, either through accident or maliciousness, predictable patterns exist in these draws, I think it is extremely unlikely that the selection methods I've seen... [ More ]

Reply #12

garyo1954 — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:18:22 GMT

Okay Raven, I promised. I apologize for taking longer than necessary, but I needed to check my data. I also apologize to those who are finding this a bit of a mess. However, the purpose is to answer valid questions posed by GiveFive as to the overall breakdown of 5/39. This brought up a further query, by Raven, which I felt was necessary to explore. I do wish I had the time necessary to relate this to each individual Cash 5 game but at the moment, it is not possible.

Raven, this is the breakd... [ More ]

Reply #11

GASMETERGUY — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 01:30:33 GMT

The so what tests are just what is needed right now. We have mathematically explored just about every aspect of the lottery to no avail. We have done +/- 1, added last night's results to mid-day, made chart after chart, multipled or divided pie, sie, my, and lie, divided into groups, color coded columns, v-tracked, x-tracked, and side-tracked every which way including loose with absolutely nothing to show for our efforts.

What we need now are just those explorations which have been contribute... [ More ]

Reply #10

Coin Toss — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:27:13 GMT

These are tonight's Illinois Little Lotto wining numbers:

LITTLE LOTTO PRIZE PAYOUTS FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2010

WINNING NUMBERS: 02 - 03 - 15 - 22 - 35

For those who follow such things, not E-O but perimeter and inside numbers, meaning the perimeter of the playslip, top and bottom row, extreme left and right column, every one of those numbers is a perimeter number.

Same breakdown, there are 20 perimeter numbrs and 19 inside numbers.

Nice to know, but it doesn't pass the s... [ More ]

Reply #9

Coin Toss — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 23:24:51 GMT

What good are the patterns without the specific numbers?

I've never seen a payout chart for patterns.

Reply #8

Raven62 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:24:45 GMT

Low/High/Even/Odd Patterns: (1024)

LELELELELE LOLELELELE HELELELELE HOLELELELE

LELELELELO LOLELELELO HELELELELO HOLELELELO

LELELELEHE LOLELELEHE HELELELEHE HOLELELEHE

LELELELEHO LOLELELEHO HELELELEHO HOLELELEHO

LELELELOLE LOLELELOLE HELELELOLE HOLELELOLE

LELELELOLO LOLELELOLO HELELELOLO HOLELELOLO

LELELELOHE LOLELELOHE HELELELOHE HOLELELOHE

LELELELOHO LOLELELOHO HELELELOHO HOLELELOHO

LELELEHELE LOLELEHELE HELELEHELE HOLELEHELE

LELELEHELO LOLELEHELO HELELEHELO HOL... [ More ]

Reply #7

Raven62 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:58:39 GMT

The Low/High ones!

Low/High Patterns: (32)

LLLLL

LLLLH

LLLHL

LLLHH

LLHLL

LLHLH

LLHHL

LLHHH

LHLLL

LHLLH

LHLHL

LHLHH

LHHLL

LHHLH

LHHHL

LHHHH

HLLLL

HLLLH

HLLHL

HLLHH

HLHLL

HLHLH

HLHHL

HLHHH

HHLLL

HHLLH

HHLHL

HHLHH

HHHLL

HHHLH

HHHHL

HHHHH

Grouped Low/High Patterns:

5L-0H (1)

LLLLL

4L-1H (5)

LLLLH

LLLHL

LLHLL

LHLLL

HLLLL

3L-2H (10)

LLLHH

LLHLH

LLH... [ More ]

Reply #6

Coin Toss — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 04:27:11 GMT

That's a lot of information, but until the lottery starts boking action on:

5 Even/0 Odd

4 Even/1 Odd

3 Even/2 Odd

2 Even/3 Odd

1 Even/4 Odd

0 Even/5 Odd

it's just information. The goal being to win a jackpot, if you don't know exactly what even and odd nunmbers, well the lottery would lobve anyone who attempted to play the combos.

Reply #5

garyo1954 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 04:01:39 GMT

Okay, we have looked at one set of numbers. We have seen the results produced by two sets. So the only thing left is to include that third set. The breakdown of all three set produces 575757 combinations.

Total even (by position): 268413 288933 287793 288933 286413 Total Even: 1402485

Total odd (by position): 307344 286824 287964 286824 307344 Total Odd: 1476300

Difference -38931 2109 -171 2109 -38931 -73815

PCT EVEN 46.6% 50.1% 49.9% 50.1% 46.6%

PCT ODD 53.3% 49.9% 50.1% 49.9

Reply #4

garyo1954 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 03:28:39 GMT

Love it Raven! Excellent Idea!

I have a routine written that will find these with a few mods, but have been using flags to keep a talley of the basic 5/0, 4/1, 3/2, 2/3, 1/4, 0/5. Now that you have opened up this avenue, I will work through it as well.

The patterns that were originally presented were used in relation to another question regarding the combinations of EVEN and ODD when 5/39 is divided into three equal sets consisting of 1 to 13, 14 to 26, and 27 to 39.

In presenting this... [ More ]

Reply #3

Raven62 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 02:40:21 GMT

Grouped Even/Odd Patterns:

5E-0O (1)

EEEEE

4E-1O (5)

EEEEO

EEEOE

EEOEE

EOEEE

OEEEE

3E-2O (10)

EEEOO

EEOEO

EEOOE

EOEEO

EOEOE

EOOEE

OEEEO

OEEOE

OEOEE

OOEEE

2E-3O (10)

EEOOO

EOEOO

EOOEO

EOOOE

OEEOO

OEOEO

OEOOE

OOEEO

OOEOE

OOOEE

1E-4O (5)

EOOOO

OEOOO

OOEOO

OOOEO

OOOOE

0E-5O (1)

OOOOO

Reply #2

Raven62 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 02:29:47 GMT

Even/Odd Patterns: (32)

EEEEE

EEEEO

EEEOE

EEEOO

EEOEE

EEOEO

EEOOE

EEOOO

EOEEE

EOEEO

EOEOE

EOEOO

EOOEE

EOOEO

EOOOE

EOOOO

OEEEE

OEEEO

OEEOE

OEEOO

OEOEE

OEOEO

OEOOE

OEOOO

OOEEE

OOEEO

OOEOE

OOEOO

OOOEE

OOOEO

OOOOE

OOOOO

Reply #1

garyo1954 — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 21:23:52 GMT

So we know:

One set of any 13 numbers will produce one singulary unique pattern.

For set 1 to 13 the pattern is 5-0-0 because all numbers fall between 1and 13.

For set 14 to 26 the pattern is 0-5-0 because all numbers fall between 14 and 26.

For set 27 to 39 the pattern is 0-0-5 because all numbers fall betwen 27 and 39.

So what happens when we intoduce a second set to be used with the first?

Using any two sets, the PATTERNS now take an expotential jump to 12!

First Set = 1

5/39 on EVEN/ODDs and Patterns

garyo1954 — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 19:55:23 GMT

In even/odd breakdowns and patterns of the 5/39, we're dealing with a two part question.

To answer, we first need to establish that there are SIX EVEN/ODD COMBINATIONS, 5/0; 4/1; 3/2; 2/3; 1/4; 0/5.

Next, we need to establish the parameters of our PATTERNS. For this exercise we separated the 5/39 into three equal sets: 1 to 13 (denoted as the first postion); 14 to 26 (denoted as the second position); 27 to 39 (denoted as the third position). There are 21 patterns in these sets, each denote... [ More ]