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5/39 on EVEN/ODDs and Patterns

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garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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In even/odd breakdowns and patterns of the 5/39, we're dealing with a two part question.

To answer, we first need to establish that there are SIX EVEN/ODD COMBINATIONS, 5/0; 4/1; 3/2; 2/3; 1/4; 0/5.

Next, we need to establish the parameters of our PATTERNS. For this exercise we separated the 5/39 into three equal sets: 1 to 13 (denoted as the first postion); 14 to 26 (denoted as the second position); 27 to 39 (denoted as the third position). There are 21 patterns in these sets, each denoted by three digits, such as 5-0-0, 0-5-0, 0-0-5, 4-0-1,etc. For the moment, let's put aside patterns and deal with the basic breakdown of each set.

In any 13 digit set there are 1287 combinations of 5 non-repeating numbers. If we break down the set 1 to 13 we see this:

Total even (by position):      496      671      636       671       496      Total Even: 2970
Total odd (by position):        791      616      651       616       791      Total Odd:  3465

Difference                           -295       55       -15         55      -295                        -495

PCT EVEN                           38.5%    52.1%    49.4%     52.1%     38.5%             46.1%
PCT ODD                            61.4%    47.8%    50.5%     47.8%     61.4%             53.8%

5 Even/0 Odd:      6
4 Even/1 Odd:    105
3 Even/2 Odd:    420
2 Even/3 Odd:    525
1 Even/4 Odd:    210
0 Even/5 Odd:     21

We notice in this set more ODD numbers and, more combinations containing more ODD numbers. This is due to the fact our set begins with 1 and end with 13, both odd numbers.

Dealing with the set set 14 to 26, we still have 1287 total combinations, but we see a mirror. Due to the fact we begin and end on EVEN numbers, the totals reflect more EVEN numbers, and combinations containing more EVEN numbers. The breakdown for set 14 and 26 looks like this:

Total even (by position):      791      616      651       616       791      Total Even: 3465
Total odd (by position):        496      671      636       671       496      Total Odd:  2970

Difference                            295      -55        15       -55        295                         495

PCT EVEN                           61.4%    47.8%    50.5%     47.8%     61.4%             53.8%
PCT ODD                            38.5%    52.1%    49.4%     52.1%     38.5%             46.1%

5 Even/0 Odd:     21
4 Even/1 Odd:    210
3 Even/2 Odd:    525
2 Even/3 Odd:    420
1 Even/4 Odd:    105
0 Even/5 Odd:      6

The set three (27 to 39) breakdown is the same as the 1 to 13 set due to starting and ending on ODD numbers. See above.

There is only one PATTERN for each set. 

Our set 1 to 13 (denoted as PATTERN 5-0-0), all numbers fall below 13. Therefore the 5-0-0 pattern result will be 1287.

Our set 14 to 26 (denoted as PATTERN 0-5-0), all numbers fall between 14 and 26. Therefore 0-5-0 pattern result will be 1287.

Our set 27 to 29 (denoted as PATTERN 0-0-5), all numbers fall between 27 and 39. Therefore 0-0-5 pattern result will be 1287.

BIGGIE HERE - Any 13 digit set contains one PATTERN which produces EVEN/ODD combinations in relationship to the EVEN/ODD numbers contained in the set. More ODD numbers, more ODD combinations. More EVEN, more EVEN combinations.

    garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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    So we know:

    One set of any 13 numbers will produce one singulary unique pattern.
    For set 1 to 13 the pattern is 5-0-0 because all numbers fall between 1and 13.
    For set 14 to 26 the pattern is 0-5-0 because all numbers fall between 14 and 26.
    For set 27 to 39 the pattern is 0-0-5 because all numbers fall betwen 27 and 39.
    So what happens when we intoduce a second set to be used with the first?

    Using any two sets, the PATTERNS now take an expotential jump to 12!

    First Set =  1 to 13
    Second Set = 14 to 26
    Third Set = 27 to 39

    4-1-0 (4 first set, 1 second set, 0 third set)
    4-0-1 (4 first set, 0 second set, 1 third set)
    3-2-0 (3 first set, 2 second set, 0 third set)
    3-0-2 (3 first set, 0 second set, 2 third set)
    2-3-0 (2 first set, 3 second set, 0 third set)
    2-0-3 (2 first set, 0 second set, 3 third set)
    1-4-0 (1 first set, 4 second set, 0 third set)
    1-0-4 (1 first set, 0 second set, 4 third set)
    0-4-1 (0 first set, 4 second set, 1 third set)
    0-3-2 (0 first set, 3 second set, 2 third set)
    0-2-3 (0 first set, 2 second set, 3 third set)
    0-1-4 (0 first set, 1 second set, 4 third set)

    The breakdown for any two sets will produce 65780 conbinations. In the following results set 1 to 13 was combined with set 14 to 26:

    Total even (by position):     29458     33176    32890     32604     36322    Total Even: 16445
    Total odd (by position):       36322     32604    32890     33176     29458    Total Odd:  16445

    Difference                            -6864        572            0       -572       6864                             0

    PCT EVEN                              44.7%    50.4%       50%    49.5%    55.2%                        50%
    PCT ODD                               55.2%    49.5%       50%    50.4%    44.7%                        50%

    5 Even/0 Odd:     1287
    4 Even/1 Odd:     9295
    3 Even/2 Odd:   22308
    2 Even/3 Odd:   22308
    1 Even/4 Odd:     9295
    0 Even/5 Odd:     1287

    Starting with an ODD number and ending with an EVEN number balances out the result.

    Set 14 to 26 combined with set 27 to 39 produces a mirror of the above. 

    Notice how or 5 Even/0 Odd and 0 Even/5 Odd are showing 1287? That was the same number as the total draws in any 13 digit set, and the same result for out 5-0-0, 0-5-0, and 0-0-5 PATTERNS.

    The EVEN/ODD combinations for 4/1 and 1/4 are showing 9295. And USING ANY TWO SETS, that is also the number of possible PATTERNS in 4-1-0, 4-0-1, 1-4-0, 1-0-4, 0-4-1, and 0-1-4.

    What about the EVEN/ODD 3/2 and 2/3? Deja vu. And USING ANY TWO SETS, 22308 is the number of possible PATTERNS in 3-2-0, 3-0-2, 2-3-0, 2-0-3, 0-3-2, and 0-2-3.

    Sometimes numbers seem magical. Almost as if they have rhyme and reason.

    Then there is that third set of numbers with six additional patterns.

    I'll be back.

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      Even/Odd Patterns: (32)

      EEEEE
      EEEEO
      EEEOE
      EEEOO
      EEOEE
      EEOEO
      EEOOE
      EEOOO
      EOEEE
      EOEEO
      EOEOE
      EOEOO
      EOOEE
      EOOEO
      EOOOE
      EOOOO
      OEEEE
      OEEEO
      OEEOE
      OEEOO
      OEOEE
      OEOEO
      OEOOE
      OEOOO
      OOEEE
      OOEEO
      OOEOE
      OOEOO
      OOOEE
      OOOEO
      OOOOE
      OOOOO

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        Grouped Even/Odd Patterns:

        5E-0O (1)
        EEEEE

        4E-1O (5)
        EEEEO
        EEEOE
        EEOEE
        EOEEE
        OEEEE

        3E-2O (10)
        EEEOO
        EEOEO
        EEOOE
        EOEEO
        EOEOE
        EOOEE
        OEEEO
        OEEOE
        OEOEE
        OOEEE

        2E-3O (10)
        EEOOO
        EOEOO
        EOOEO
        EOOOE
        OEEOO
        OEOEO
        OEOOE
        OOEEO
        OOEOE
        OOOEE

        1E-4O (5)
        EOOOO
        OEOOO
        OOEOO
        OOOEO
        OOOOE

        0E-5O (1)
        OOOOO

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          garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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          Love it Raven! Excellent Idea!

          I have a routine written that will find these with a few mods, but have been using flags to keep a talley of the basic  5/0, 4/1, 3/2, 2/3, 1/4, 0/5. Now that you have opened up this avenue, I will work through it as well.

          The patterns that were originally presented were used in relation to another question regarding the combinations of EVEN and ODD when 5/39 is divided into three equal sets consisting of 1 to 13, 14 to 26, and 27 to 39. 

          In presenting this idea, I can incorporate the E/O method, hopefully further defining these patterns. (Yes, dreaming big here)

          I promise to drag out the code and see what it needs.

          Thanks!

            garyo1954's avatar - garyo
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            Okay, we have looked at one set of numbers. We have seen the results produced by two sets. So the only thing left is to include that third set. The breakdown of all three set produces 575757 combinations.


            Total even (by position):    268413     288933    287793     288933     286413   Total Even: 1402485
            Total odd (by position):      307344     286824    287964     286824     307344   Total Odd:  1476300
            Difference                           -38931        2109        -171         2109      -38931                      -73815

            PCT EVEN                              46.6%      50.1%      49.9%      50.1%       46.6%               
            PCT ODD                               53.3%      49.9%      50.1%      49.9%       53.3%                 

            5 Even/0 Odd:    11628
            4 Even/1 Odd:    77520
            3 Even/2 Odd:   184110
            2 Even/3 Odd:   194940
            1 Even/4 Odd:    92055
            0 Even/5 Odd:    15504

            Once we add that third 13 digit set, things look different in out EVEN/ODD breakdown.
            Having more odd numbers overall produces more ODD combinations.

            Putting the PATTERNS in order, one set of 13 numbers will produce only one pattern. But by crunching 5 numbers in one set of thirteen, we will have all low numbers below 14, or all mid numbers between 14 and 26, or all high numbers between 27 and 39. The result will be the same as the total number of draws for that set.

            PATTERN 5-0-0 in  1287 combinations in set 1 to 13 (will produce more ODD combos)
            PATTERN 0-5-0 in  1287 combinations in set 14 to 26 (Will produce more EVEN combos)
            PATTERN 0-0-5 in  1287 combinations in set 27 to 39 (will produce more ODD combos)

            The next 12 PATTERNS are contained in two sets:
             
            PATTERN 4-1-0 in  9295 combinations in sets 1 to 13 and 14 to 26
            PATTERN 4-0-1 in  9295 combinations in sets 1 to 13 and 27 to 39 (Will produce more ODD Combos)
            PATTERN 1-4-0 in  9295 combinations in sets 1 to 13 and 14 to 26
            PATTERN 1-0-4 in  9295 combinations in sets 1 to 13 and 27 to 39 (Will produce more ODD Combos)
            PATTERN 0-4-1 in  9295 combinations in sets 14 to 26 and 27 to 39
            PATTERN 0-1-4 in  9295 combinations in sets 14 to 26 and 27 to 39

            In the above chart the possibilities increase, but we still have 4 numbers crunched. So we spread the distribution....

            PATTERN 3-2-0 in 22308 combinations in sets 1 to 13 and 14 to 26
            PATTERN 3-0-2 in 22308 combinations in sets 1 to 13 and 27 to 39 (Will produce more ODD Combos)
            PATTERN 2-3-0 in 22308 combinations in sets 1 to 13 and 14 to 26
            PATTERN 2-0-3 in 22308 combinations in sets 1 to 13 and 27 to 39 (Will produce more ODD Combos)
            PATTERN 0-3-2 in 22308 combinations in sets 14 to 26 and 27 to 39
            PATTERN 0-2-3 in 22309 combinations in sets 14 to 26 and 27 to 39

            Just by moving one number in the PATTERN we more than double the combinations across two sets. But look what happens when we include all three sets.

            As we spread the PATTERN out, and increase the numbers available, we add more possible combinations. 

            PATTERN 3-1-1 in 48334 combinations in all sets (Will produce more ODD Combos)
            PATTERN 1-3-1 in 48334 combinations in all sets
            PATTERN 1-1-3 in 48334 combinations in all sets (Will produce more ODD Combos)
            PATTERN 2-2-1 in 79092 combinations in all sets
            PATTERN 2-1-2 in 79092 combinations in all sets (Will produce more ODD Combos)
            PATTERN 1-2-2 in 79092 combinations in all sets

            I hope this answers a few questions about dividing 5/39 into three equal sets.

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              That's a lot of information, but until the lottery starts boking action on:

              5 Even/0 Odd     
              4 Even/1 Odd   
              3 Even/2 Odd   
              2 Even/3 Odd   
              1 Even/4 Odd
              0 Even/5 Odd   

              it's just information. The goal being to win a jackpot, if you don't know exactly what even and odd nunmbers, well the lottery would lobve anyone who attempted to play the combos.

              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

              Lep

              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                That's a lot of information, but until the lottery starts boking action on:

                5 Even/0 Odd     
                4 Even/1 Odd   
                3 Even/2 Odd   
                2 Even/3 Odd   
                1 Even/4 Odd
                0 Even/5 Odd   

                it's just information. The goal being to win a jackpot, if you don't know exactly what even and odd nunmbers, well the lottery would lobve anyone who attempted to play the combos.

                The Low/High ones!

                Low/High Patterns: (32)

                LLLLL
                LLLLH
                LLLHL
                LLLHH
                LLHLL
                LLHLH
                LLHHL
                LLHHH
                LHLLL
                LHLLH
                LHLHL
                LHLHH
                LHHLL
                LHHLH
                LHHHL
                LHHHH
                HLLLL
                HLLLH
                HLLHL
                HLLHH
                HLHLL
                HLHLH
                HLHHL
                HLHHH
                HHLLL
                HHLLH
                HHLHL
                HHLHH
                HHHLL
                HHHLH
                HHHHL
                HHHHH

                Grouped Low/High Patterns:

                5L-0H (1)
                LLLLL

                4L-1H (5)
                LLLLH
                LLLHL
                LLHLL
                LHLLL
                HLLLL

                3L-2H (10)
                LLLHH
                LLHLH
                LLHHL
                LHLLH
                LHLHL
                LHHLL
                HLLLH
                HLLHL
                HLHLL
                HHLLL

                2L-3H (10)
                LLHHH
                LHLHH
                LHHLH
                LHHHL
                HLLHH
                HLHLH
                HLHHL
                HHLLH
                HHLHL
                HHHLL

                1L-4H (5)
                LHHHH
                HLHHH
                HHLHH
                HHHLH
                HHHHL

                0L-5H (1)
                HHHHH

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                  Low/High/Even/Odd Patterns: (1024)

                  LELELELELE     LOLELELELE     HELELELELE     HOLELELELE
                  LELELELELO     LOLELELELO     HELELELELO     HOLELELELO
                  LELELELEHE     LOLELELEHE     HELELELEHE     HOLELELEHE
                  LELELELEHO     LOLELELEHO     HELELELEHO     HOLELELEHO
                  LELELELOLE     LOLELELOLE     HELELELOLE     HOLELELOLE
                  LELELELOLO     LOLELELOLO     HELELELOLO     HOLELELOLO
                  LELELELOHE     LOLELELOHE     HELELELOHE     HOLELELOHE
                  LELELELOHO     LOLELELOHO     HELELELOHO     HOLELELOHO
                  LELELEHELE     LOLELEHELE     HELELEHELE     HOLELEHELE
                  LELELEHELO     LOLELEHELO     HELELEHELO     HOLELEHELO
                  LELELEHEHE     LOLELEHEHE     HELELEHEHE     HOLELEHEHE
                  LELELEHEHO     LOLELEHEHO     HELELEHEHO     HOLELEHEHO
                  LELELEHOLE     LOLELEHOLE     HELELEHOLE     HOLELEHOLE
                  LELELEHOLO     LOLELEHOLO     HELELEHOLO     HOLELEHOLO
                  LELELEHOHE     LOLELEHOHE     HELELEHOHE     HOLELEHOHE
                  LELELEHOHO     LOLELEHOHO     HELELEHOHO     HOLELEHOHO
                  LELELOLELE     LOLELOLELE     HELELOLELE     HOLELOLELE
                  LELELOLELO     LOLELOLELO     HELELOLELO     HOLELOLELO
                  LELELOLEHE     LOLELOLEHE     HELELOLEHE     HOLELOLEHE
                  LELELOLEHO     LOLELOLEHO     HELELOLEHO     HOLELOLEHO
                  LELELOLOLE     LOLELOLOLE     HELELOLOLE     HOLELOLOLE
                  LELELOLOLO     LOLELOLOLO     HELELOLOLO     HOLELOLOLO
                  LELELOLOHE     LOLELOLOHE     HELELOLOHE     HOLELOLOHE
                  LELELOLOHO     LOLELOLOHO     HELELOLOHO     HOLELOLOHO
                  LELELOHELE     LOLELOHELE     HELELOHELE     HOLELOHELE
                  LELELOHELO     LOLELOHELO     HELELOHELO     HOLELOHELO
                  LELELOHEHE     LOLELOHEHE     HELELOHEHE     HOLELOHEHE
                  LELELOHEHO     LOLELOHEHO     HELELOHEHO     HOLELOHEHO
                  LELELOHOLE     LOLELOHOLE     HELELOHOLE     HOLELOHOLE
                  LELELOHOLO     LOLELOHOLO     HELELOHOLO     HOLELOHOLO
                  LELELOHOHE     LOLELOHOHE     HELELOHOHE     HOLELOHOHE
                  LELELOHOHO     LOLELOHOHO     HELELOHOHO     HOLELOHOHO
                  LELEHELELE     LOLEHELELE     HELEHELELE     HOLEHELELE
                  LELEHELELO     LOLEHELELO     HELEHELELO     HOLEHELELO
                  LELEHELEHE     LOLEHELEHE     HELEHELEHE     HOLEHELEHE
                  LELEHELEHO     LOLEHELEHO     HELEHELEHO     HOLEHELEHO
                  LELEHELOLE     LOLEHELOLE     HELEHELOLE     HOLEHELOLE
                  LELEHELOLO     LOLEHELOLO     HELEHELOLO     HOLEHELOLO
                  LELEHELOHE     LOLEHELOHE     HELEHELOHE     HOLEHELOHE
                  LELEHELOHO     LOLEHELOHO     HELEHELOHO     HOLEHELOHO
                  LELEHEHELE     LOLEHEHELE     HELEHEHELE     HOLEHEHELE
                  LELEHEHELO     LOLEHEHELO     HELEHEHELO     HOLEHEHELO
                  LELEHEHEHE     LOLEHEHEHE     HELEHEHEHE     HOLEHEHEHE
                  LELEHEHEHO     LOLEHEHEHO     HELEHEHEHO     HOLEHEHEHO
                  LELEHEHOLE     LOLEHEHOLE     HELEHEHOLE     HOLEHEHOLE
                  LELEHEHOLO     LOLEHEHOLO     HELEHEHOLO     HOLEHEHOLO
                  LELEHEHOHE     LOLEHEHOHE     HELEHEHOHE     HOLEHEHOHE
                  LELEHEHOHO     LOLEHEHOHO     HELEHEHOHO     HOLEHEHOHO
                  LELEHOLELE     LOLEHOLELE     HELEHOLELE     HOLEHOLELE
                  LELEHOLELO     LOLEHOLELO     HELEHOLELO     HOLEHOLELO
                  LELEHOLEHE     LOLEHOLEHE     HELEHOLEHE     HOLEHOLEHE
                  LELEHOLEHO     LOLEHOLEHO     HELEHOLEHO     HOLEHOLEHO
                  LELEHOLOLE     LOLEHOLOLE     HELEHOLOLE     HOLEHOLOLE
                  LELEHOLOLO     LOLEHOLOLO     HELEHOLOLO     HOLEHOLOLO
                  LELEHOLOHE     LOLEHOLOHE     HELEHOLOHE     HOLEHOLOHE
                  LELEHOLOHO     LOLEHOLOHO     HELEHOLOHO     HOLEHOLOHO
                  LELEHOHELE     LOLEHOHELE     HELEHOHELE     HOLEHOHELE
                  LELEHOHELO     LOLEHOHELO     HELEHOHELO     HOLEHOHELO
                  LELEHOHEHE     LOLEHOHEHE     HELEHOHEHE     HOLEHOHEHE
                  LELEHOHEHO     LOLEHOHEHO     HELEHOHEHO     HOLEHOHEHO
                  LELEHOHOLE     LOLEHOHOLE     HELEHOHOLE     HOLEHOHOLE
                  LELEHOHOLO     LOLEHOHOLO     HELEHOHOLO     HOLEHOHOLO
                  LELEHOHOHE     LOLEHOHOHE     HELEHOHOHE     HOLEHOHOHE
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                  A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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                    Posted: November 3, 2010, 7:24 pm - IP Logged

                    What good are the patterns without the specific numbers?

                    I've never seen a payout chart for patterns.

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                    Lep

                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      Posted: November 4, 2010, 1:27 am - IP Logged

                      These are tonight's Illinois Little Lotto wining numbers:

                      LITTLE LOTTO PRIZE PAYOUTS FOR WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 03, 2010

                      WINNING NUMBERS: 02 - 03 - 15 - 22 - 35
                      For those who follow such things, not E-O but "perimeter" and "inside" numbers, meaning the perimeter of the playslip, top and bottom row, extreme left and right column, every one of those numbers is a "perimeter" number.

                      Same breakdown, there are 20 perimeter numbrs and 19 inside numbers.

                      Nice to know, but it doesn't pass the "so what" test.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        Posted: November 5, 2010, 9:30 pm - IP Logged

                        The "so what" tests are just what is needed right now.  We have mathematically explored just about every aspect of the lottery to no avail.  We have done +/- 1, added last night's results to mid-day, made chart after chart, multipled or divided pie, sie, my, and lie, divided into groups, color coded columns, v-tracked, x-tracked, and side-tracked every which way including loose with absolutely nothing to show for our efforts.

                        What we need now are just those explorations which have been contributed on this thread.  Has anyone every thought about "perimeter" versus "inside" numbers?  If they have I missed the thread.  I know I never did until I read this thread.

                        So keep on bringing those "so what" tests.  We need all we can get.  One day in the not too distant future another Isacc Newton will come along and string all of them together in such a way he wins every jackpot every day in every country in every world (assuming there are parallel worlds).

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                          Okay Raven, I promised. I apologize for taking longer than necessary, but I needed to check my data. I also apologize to those who are finding this a bit of a mess. However, the purpose is to answer valid questions posed by GiveFive as to the overall breakdown of 5/39. This brought up a further query, by Raven, which I felt was necessary to explore.  I do wish I had the time necessary to relate this to each individual Cash 5 game but at the moment, it is not possible.

                          Raven, this is the breakdown for the Even/Odd Patterns you provided. As yuo see the WINNER is the OEOEO.

                          EEEEE = 11628

                          EEEEO = 15504
                          EEEOE = 15504
                          EOEEE = 15504
                          OEEEE = 15504
                          EEOEE = 15504
                          TOTAL = 77520

                          EEOEO = 20349
                          EOEEO = 20349
                          OEEEO = 20349
                          OEEOE = 20349
                          OEOEE = 20349
                          EOEOE = 20349
                          OOEEE = 15504
                          EOOEE = 15504
                          EEOOE = 15504
                          EEEOO = 15504
                          TOTAL = 184110

                          OOEOE = 20349
                          OOEEO = 20349
                          OEEOO = 20349
                          OEOOE = 20349
                          OEOEO = 26334 <----------------------------------------
                          EOOEO = 20349
                          EOEOO = 20349
                          EOOOE = 15504
                          EEOOO = 15504
                          OOOEE = 15504
                          TOTAL = 194940

                          EOOOO = 15504
                          OEOOO = 20349
                          OOEOO = 20349
                          OOOEO = 20349
                          OOOOE = 15504
                          TOTAL = 92055

                          OOOOO = 15504


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                            Posted: November 8, 2010, 1:27 pm - IP Logged

                            The "so what" tests are just what is needed right now.  We have mathematically explored just about every aspect of the lottery to no avail.  We have done +/- 1, added last night's results to mid-day, made chart after chart, multipled or divided pie, sie, my, and lie, divided into groups, color coded columns, v-tracked, x-tracked, and side-tracked every which way including loose with absolutely nothing to show for our efforts.

                            What we need now are just those explorations which have been contributed on this thread.  Has anyone every thought about "perimeter" versus "inside" numbers?  If they have I missed the thread.  I know I never did until I read this thread.

                            So keep on bringing those "so what" tests.  We need all we can get.  One day in the not too distant future another Isacc Newton will come along and string all of them together in such a way he wins every jackpot every day in every country in every world (assuming there are parallel worlds).

                            GASMETERGUY,

                            "What we need now are just those explorations which have been contributed on this thread."

                            Given your results thus far, maybe what you need is a fresh new approach.  As you know, I am convinced that the randomness of lottery draws is sufficient to preclude success at predicting them.  However, if there is ANY possibility that, either through accident or maliciousness, predictable patterns exist in these draws, I think it is extremely unlikely that the selection methods I've seen discussed here are going to bring them to light.  JMHO.  If you still think there is potential for success, I think you should focus on the computerized draws, as the extreme physical chaos in the ball machines, in my opinion, makes looking there a waste of time.

                            In this paper by IBM researchers at Almaden, you might see an application of ARC to your problem of determining the optimal makeup and size of the subset of 39 numbers that you can afford to Wheel on a daily basis.  For starters, "c" in this algorithm would be just that size.

                            http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/dmodha/ARC.pdf

                            Excel is a powerful program, but trying to implement ARC with it would not be reasonable.  If you've never programmed, here's an inexpensive (FREE) way to get started.

                            http://justbasic.wikispaces.com/

                            --Jimmy4164

                            P.S.  If you succeed with this, I trust you will not forget who put you on to it!  Smiley

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                              For those of you who were wondering I went ahead and ran this same function for the Cash5 game in Texas. Keep in mind the Texas Cash5 is a 5 of 37 game. Still it will give you a good idea of how to apply the baseline laid out to this point.

                              I used 3897 Cash 5 Draws from Texas.
                              The results:

                              Total Even (by position):        1841        1892       1949        1989      1751     
                              Total odd (by position):          2056        2005       1948        1908      2146     
                              Difference                              -215         -113          +1         +81       -395
                              PCT EVEN                                47.%         48.%      50.%        51.%     44.%           
                              PCT ODD                                 52.%         51.%      50.%        48.%     55.%

                              5 Even/0 Odd:     92
                              4 Even/1 Odd:    469
                              3 Even/2 Odd:   1277
                              2 Even/3 Odd:   1316
                              1 Even/4 Odd:    623
                              0 Even/5 Odd:    120

                              In this part of the analysis we're dealing with real numbers. This chart reflects the actual number of evens and odds by position, and and Even/Odd count in simple form.

                              In comparing this chart to the ones above, there is no major surprise that I see.

                              I'll be back to post the results showing the breakdown by the three set pattern and be even and odd mix later today.