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# 5/39 on EVEN/ODDs and Patterns

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Jimmy

Here are the total combinations for last nights draw using 7 digits.

1-2-3-5-9-0 all set to hit one time and digit 6 twice.  No other filters

were used.  Total lines produce = 15.

05 06 10 26 39
05 06 10 29 36  <- 5 of 5
05 06 16 20 39
05 06 16 29 30
05 06 19 20 36
05 06 19 26 30
05 09 10 26 36
05 09 16 20 36
05 09 16 26 30
06 09 10 25 36
06 09 10 26 35
06 09 15 20 36
06 09 15 26 30
06 09 16 20 35
06 09 16 25 30

RL

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I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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Jimmy

Here are the total combinations for last nights draw using 7 digits.

1-2-3-5-9-0 all set to hit one time and digit 6 twice.  No other filters

were used.  Total lines produce = 15.

05 06 10 26 39
05 06 10 29 36  <- 5 of 5
05 06 16 20 39
05 06 16 29 30
05 06 19 20 36
05 06 19 26 30
05 09 10 26 36
05 09 16 20 36
05 09 16 26 30
06 09 10 25 36
06 09 10 26 35
06 09 15 20 36
06 09 15 26 30
06 09 16 20 35
06 09 16 25 30

RL

RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

Congratulations!

Where will you be vacationing?

--Jimmy4164

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Jimmy

Trying to be serious.  There are 120 different combinations of 7 in 10.  I know what the odds

are for doing this.  Static filter settings culd have reduced this to 3 or 4 lines.  Just making a

point.  Good luck with your QP's

RL

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I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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Okay, Jimmy you got me on that one. There is no rhyme or reason that dictates a change in numbers or patterns, aside from personal experience. Number appear to have an abb and flow. Theorectically, like water, they appear to seek their own level. Some balance in the universe; some order out of chaos; the same rule that says flipping a coin 100 times will not  result in 100 HEADS. Likely it is the same rul that says if I keep baiting the hook, I will catch a fish.

The fact you called me on personal opinion when PA is experiencing 5 Odd numbers falling in the first positon of their Cash 5,  LOL jokes on me this time. You did good! Even I have to laugh.

But it's an abberation! Tonight that first digit will be Even. (Or maybe not)

I like the programming idea!

It opens another avenue to explore. I'll dedicate some time to it.

Kudos!

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Okay, Jimmy you got me on that one. There is no rhyme or reason that dictates a change in numbers or patterns, aside from personal experience. Number appear to have an abb and flow. Theorectically, like water, they appear to seek their own level. Some balance in the universe; some order out of chaos; the same rule that says flipping a coin 100 times will not  result in 100 HEADS. Likely it is the same rul that says if I keep baiting the hook, I will catch a fish.

The fact you called me on personal opinion when PA is experiencing 5 Odd numbers falling in the first positon of their Cash 5,  LOL jokes on me this time. You did good! Even I have to laugh.

But it's an abberation! Tonight that first digit will be Even. (Or maybe not)

I like the programming idea!

It opens another avenue to explore. I'll dedicate some time to it.

Kudos!

Garyo1954,

I'm glad you're inspired to write a backtester for some of your ideas.  In some cases, it's the only reasonable and/or practical way to convince yourself of the value of a method.  I think the principal architect of the "Digit System" may just not have the time to simulate his system because if I could successfully write and submit on punched cards Fortan programs many years ago to simulate proposed modifications to Operating System Parameters, he should surely be able to calculate through simulation the effects on equity of various (5,39) selection methods.

BTW, above you said, "...the same rule that says flipping a coin 100 times will not  result in 100 HEADS."  In fact, there is no such rule.  It is possible, and is likely to happen in 1/( 2**100) attempts.  (Don't hold your breath!)  And don't forget, IF, by some uncanny stroke of luck someone managed to flip a [fair] coin 99 times heads right before your eyes, and then asked you to bet on the next flip, don't be fooled!  At that point, the probability of flipping the coin 99 times is 1.0, a certainty, because IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED!  Therefore, the odds of the next flip being heads is still, simply, 1/2.  Back on Nov 11th, when the lowest number drawn in the PA Cash (5,43) was an EVEN(8), the odds of the lowest draws being ODD for 6 subsequent consecutive days, including today, WAS approximately a tough 1:55.  But today, since an ODD number was the lowest drawn for 5 days straight already, your prediction (Today) of EVEN had a 19/39 chance.  It was an EVEN(8), so you were right, and you beat the odds!

--Jimmy4164

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Garyo1954,

I'm glad you're inspired to write a backtester for some of your ideas.  In some cases, it's the only reasonable and/or practical way to convince yourself of the value of a method.  I think the principal architect of the "Digit System" may just not have the time to simulate his system because if I could successfully write and submit on punched cards Fortan programs many years ago to simulate proposed modifications to Operating System Parameters, he should surely be able to calculate through simulation the effects on equity of various (5,39) selection methods.

BTW, above you said, "...the same rule that says flipping a coin 100 times will not  result in 100 HEADS."  In fact, there is no such rule.  It is possible, and is likely to happen in 1/( 2**100) attempts.  (Don't hold your breath!)  And don't forget, IF, by some uncanny stroke of luck someone managed to flip a [fair] coin 99 times heads right before your eyes, and then asked you to bet on the next flip, don't be fooled!  At that point, the probability of flipping the coin 99 times is 1.0, a certainty, because IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED!  Therefore, the odds of the next flip being heads is still, simply, 1/2.  Back on Nov 11th, when the lowest number drawn in the PA Cash (5,43) was an EVEN(8), the odds of the lowest draws being ODD for 6 subsequent consecutive days, including today, WAS approximately a tough 1:55.  But today, since an ODD number was the lowest drawn for 5 days straight already, your prediction (Today) of EVEN had a 19/39 chance.  It was an EVEN(8), so you were right, and you beat the odds!

--Jimmy4164

Jimmy

because if I could successfully write and submit on punched cards Fortan programs many years ago to simulate proposed modifications to Operating System Parameters

Care to take a test on the old punch-card and Fortan to show you are not feeding us the bull that I think

you are.  I still have my Fortan programming books around here somewhere.  I think the only encryption

you ever worked on came of a magazine rack at the local super market.  I will give you a probelm and

you can program the answer.  You don't know what you are talking about.

RL

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I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

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Jimmy

because if I could successfully write and submit on punched cards Fortan programs many years ago to simulate proposed modifications to Operating System Parameters

Care to take a test on the old punch-card and Fortan to show you are not feeding us the bull that I think

you are.  I still have my Fortan programming books around here somewhere.  I think the only encryption

you ever worked on came of a magazine rack at the local super market.  I will give you a probelm and

you can program the answer.  You don't know what you are talking about.

RL

RL-RANDOMLOGIC,

This post was addressed to Garyo1954, not to you.

When you can't critique my analysis, you question my experience.

Fortran code on punched cards is not the issue under discussion in this thread and I'm not interested in programming tests.

It would help if you could stay on topic.

You're such a warm and friendly guy, but you do seem to have a problem handling criticism.

--Jimmy4164

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Brain strain over!!!!! Yep! Yep! Yep!

I gave up tracking the HEHOLELOHE and the HOHOHOHOHO and the HEHEHEHEHE. What good are they anyway? Once the draws are put in order they are likely to be LELOHEHEHO and LELELOHOHEs!

So this would do the same thing.....

6    9 18  20 30      83   E,O,E,E,E    L,L,L,H,H
7   16 22  26 27    98    O,E,E,E,O    L,L,H,H,H
6    8 13  22 35      84   E,E,O,E,O    L,L,L,H,H
8   13 17  25 37   100   E,O,O,O,O    L,L,L,H,H
7   14 19  28 37   105   O,E,O,E,O    L,L,H,H,H
15  25 26  27 32   125  O,O,E,O,E    L,H,H,H,H
6   13 14  25 28     86   E,O,E,O,E    L,L,L,H,H
7   12 15  17 23     74   O,E,O,O,O   L,L,L,L,H
9   14 19  22 23     87   O,E,O,E,O   L,L,H,H,H
5   17 22  30 37   111   O,O,E,E,O   L,L,H,H,H

What do you think?

Their's more to tracking then just the Number of Hits during the Sample Period: Like: How long has it been since the Last Hit.

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Their's more to tracking then just the Number of Hits during the Sample Period: Like: How long has it been since the Last Hit.

Raven62,

"Their's more to tracking then just the Number of Hits during the Sample Period: Like: How long has it been since the Last Hit."

Given this comment, I'm surprised you haven't taken this article more seriously, which I posted earlier in this thread.

Substitute "BALL" for "PAGE."  Cache size will be the size or your set to draw from...

--Jimmy4164

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Jimmy

because if I could successfully write and submit on punched cards Fortan programs many years ago to simulate proposed modifications to Operating System Parameters

Care to take a test on the old punch-card and Fortan to show you are not feeding us the bull that I think

you are.  I still have my Fortan programming books around here somewhere.  I think the only encryption

you ever worked on came of a magazine rack at the local super market.  I will give you a probelm and

you can program the answer.  You don't know what you are talking about.

RL

@RL-RANDOMLOGIC:

Because of the tremendous volumes of annoying bickering and name-calling that went on between you and jimmy4164 in a previous thread (which I had to lock), I spent the time to go back and see who started trolling this thread.

And that person is you.  I'm going to ask you to stop it right now.  If you can't have a civil discourse, then please refrain from posting on a thread with jimmy4164 or anyone else who raises your ire.

This post that I'm quoting above is the first nasty post.  Specifically, "...to show you are not feeding us the bull that I think you are."

That comment is completely unnecessary.  Can you not debate a topic without attacking jimmy4164?  He might have strong opinions on topics of randomness that differ from yours, but that's the freaking purpose of a forum, for crying out loud.  It is SUPPOSED to be a debate!  And here at Lottery Post we only permit CIVIL debates, not mud-slinging.

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Jimmy, I can remember reading my first book on Fotran and Cobol, and assembly languages and deciding to look at the flow charts and pray for a simpler way. So I can appreciate your reference. In programming I can appreciate your strict adherence to rules. The best programmers acknowledge thinking like a human and thinking like a computer are different.

So many rules to follow.

Rules of life, rules of the road, rules of order, rules of war, even rules to anarchy! There rule for breaking rules: 'Rules are meant to be broken.' And the rule of physics: 'For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction.'

And let's not forget the rule of thumb, which takes in all unwritten rules, old wives tales, and those grey areas, that just are. Perhaps many of the ideas written here fall under the rule of thumb or should be prefaced with 'statistically speaking,' since we are speaking statistically.

I don't know. Since I don't play Cash5, I'm middle of the road at this point. I have adapted several other Cash5 data files to run. So we'll see where those lead. One other thing I did was to get a breakdown of the numbers and what position they fell in lowest to highest order. Naturally, the same could be done with draw order. This is the Texas chart through 3899 draws showing the number, five positions, and the total. Statistically speaking one could use this infor to determine their own sum ranges to be expected in each position.  For example two-thirds of the time the lowest number drawn is 13 or less......

 1 504 0 0 0 0 504 2 505 56 0 0 0 561 3 412 105 9 0 0 526 4 357 137 10 0 0 504 5 316 150 18 0 0 484 6 285 209 35 0 0 529 7 226 244 57 5 0 532 8 220 215 97 5 0 537 9 179 230 96 13 0 518 10 137 214 102 24 2 479 11 136 221 122 17 2 498 12 121 212 131 38 0 501 13 105 220 146 44 1 516 14 68 201 172 71 4 516 15 74 190 186 76 11 537 16 61 179 192 83 6 521 17 43 191 185 97 18 534 18 26 139 193 102 20 480 19 28 152 202 118 38 538 20 28 115 198 149 33 523 21 14 110 220 136 60 540 22 14 77 199 182 39 511 23 8 68 172 186 65 499 24 14 51 162 198 73 498 25 9 73 161 199 86 528 26 5 41 173 216 95 530 27 1 35 154 206 128 524 28 2 28 129 235 121 515 29 1 11 102 229 182 525 30 0 13 71 220 183 487 31 0 5 73 216 205 499 32 0 6 51 212 257 526 33 0 1 37 197 296 531 34 0 1 26 163 361 551 35 0 0 8 135 375 518 36 0 0 9 81 410 500 37 0 0 1 34 514 549 38 0 0 0 12 147 159 39 0 0 0 0 167 167 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 41 0 0 0 0 0 0 42 0 0 0 0 0 0 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 44 0 0 0 0 0 0 45 0 0 0 0 0 0

More later........

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@RL-RANDOMLOGIC:

Because of the tremendous volumes of annoying bickering and name-calling that went on between you and jimmy4164 in a previous thread (which I had to lock), I spent the time to go back and see who started trolling this thread.

And that person is you.  I'm going to ask you to stop it right now.  If you can't have a civil discourse, then please refrain from posting on a thread with jimmy4164 or anyone else who raises your ire.

This post that I'm quoting above is the first nasty post.  Specifically, "...to show you are not feeding us the bull that I think you are."

That comment is completely unnecessary.  Can you not debate a topic without attacking jimmy4164?  He might have strong opinions on topics of randomness that differ from yours, but that's the freaking purpose of a forum, for crying out loud.  It is SUPPOSED to be a debate!  And here at Lottery Post we only permit CIVIL debates, not mud-slinging.

Todd

Yes I attacked jimmy in this thread.  Seems to me the word debate has a different meaning

depending on the person who makes the post.  I have been called by jimmy, disingenuous

a purveyor of software and untruthful.  He has taken it upon himself to attack me and my system

which he still does not understand or maybe he does but is really trying to save face.  He has stated

that he "thwarted" an attemp by me to sell my software.

Think about that statement for a moment and ask yourself what his reasons were for attacking

my post.  I could use the same logic to attack the tools provided to paying members of this site.

I could tear any lottery system apart and tell people how missinformed or how they will never

win any prize over a few bucks and if they do win a good amount, just explain it away as a  random

event.  I thought this was a Lottery Post and not a debating forum.  I thought this is where people

came to discuss methods of play looking for some way to improve play.  This post has became a

place where people are attacked for there ideas and needs cleaned up.  I will be the first person

to leave and make it a better place.  I know you will delete this message but maybe you should

look around a little bit and erase a couple others while your in the mood.  I can't believe some of

the things the trolls are allowed to say while expressing their opinions.  Maybe if I was a paying

member we would not be having this disscussion.  If I post a system which others feel the need

to explain away then the first thing they need to do is get the facts straight.  Jimmy attacked my

system without reading the post and then labeled it hog-wash without any merrit.  Had you steped

up to bat at that time then none of this would have happened.  He made a personal attack on me

with his remarks.  His "fooled by randomness" and  "gamblers fallacy"  shows what he believes

and he has stated as much.  To him everyone that thinks they can pick a number is a fool, end of

story.  What good is someone who cries "You Can't, You Can't, You Can't" even doing here in the first

place.  Anyone that does pick there own numbers has enough against them already without a  having

a antagonistic sticking his neck in where he is unwanted.

Trying to be civil

Please delete my membership, postings, and every other sign that I was ever her.

RL

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Todd

Yes I attacked jimmy in this thread.  Seems to me the word debate has a different meaning

depending on the person who makes the post.  I have been called by jimmy, disingenuous

a purveyor of software and untruthful.  He has taken it upon himself to attack me and my system

which he still does not understand or maybe he does but is really trying to save face.  He has stated

that he "thwarted" an attemp by me to sell my software.

Think about that statement for a moment and ask yourself what his reasons were for attacking

my post.  I could use the same logic to attack the tools provided to paying members of this site.

I could tear any lottery system apart and tell people how missinformed or how they will never

win any prize over a few bucks and if they do win a good amount, just explain it away as a  random

event.  I thought this was a Lottery Post and not a debating forum.  I thought this is where people

came to discuss methods of play looking for some way to improve play.  This post has became a

place where people are attacked for there ideas and needs cleaned up.  I will be the first person

to leave and make it a better place.  I know you will delete this message but maybe you should

look around a little bit and erase a couple others while your in the mood.  I can't believe some of

the things the trolls are allowed to say while expressing their opinions.  Maybe if I was a paying

member we would not be having this disscussion.  If I post a system which others feel the need

to explain away then the first thing they need to do is get the facts straight.  Jimmy attacked my

system without reading the post and then labeled it hog-wash without any merrit.  Had you steped

up to bat at that time then none of this would have happened.  He made a personal attack on me

with his remarks.  His "fooled by randomness" and  "gamblers fallacy"  shows what he believes

and he has stated as much.  To him everyone that thinks they can pick a number is a fool, end of

story.  What good is someone who cries "You Can't, You Can't, You Can't" even doing here in the first

place.  Anyone that does pick there own numbers has enough against them already without a  having

a antagonistic sticking his neck in where he is unwanted.

Trying to be civil

Please delete my membership, postings, and every other sign that I was ever her.

RL

It doesnt matter what happened in another thread, it is against the rules to attack someone, so don't do it -- here or in any other thread.

Please do not reply to this post with another lengthy explanation.  I do not want this thread hijacked.

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Garyo1954,

I have a fairly lengthy post under construction which gets further into how the choice of your number system BASE effects most of the selection methods based on digits and frequency counts of various types.  However, I'm thinking it would be better for me to start a new thread for this so as not to start to coopt this one.  In the meantime, give this some thought as you pursue your ideas here.

Thanks,

--Jimmy4164

p.s. The reason I said you had a (19/39) chance of being correct calling EVEN for the first number in the PA Cash 5 is because it's a (5/43) game, so the highest number you can have in that position is 39.

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I'll join that discussion, setting this aside for a few days while I rework some files. I did give thought to running 5 random numbers in various ranges against the databases.

The big drawback is IT WOULD NEVER PRODUCE MORE THAN ONE 5 NUMBER WINNING COMBINATION.

The natural progression is to extend the random set. I'm working with 7 at this point. That produces ten combinations of 5 digits so the probability of finding more than one match seems likely. And it offers more chances for lower tier wins.

I didn't give much thought to the possibilities when calling EVEN. I merely noted that ODD had come out 4 or 5 days in a row. But strictly by the numbers, ODD had a 20/39 possibility of coming out as the low number drawn.  (1 to 39 = 20 ODD, 19 Even)

Once I've run the 7 digit random across some databases, post something.

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