roulette

Reply #36

jimmy4164 — Fri, 18 Feb 2011 03:29:32 GMT

I took BBH's Roulette off topic once, and I didn't want to do it again, so I started a new one.

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/227800

I hope some of you roulette fans are also interested in poker.

See ya' there

Reply #35

eddessaknight — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 23:37:26 GMT

Jimmy, et al

PLAY or PAY NO EVIL

The gaming business * indeed the entire world world needs more people who do not have a price at which they can be bought; who do not borrow from integrity to pay for expediency, whose handshake is an ironclad contract, who are as honest in small matters as in large ones, and who do not believe that shrewdness, cunning and ruthlessness are the three keys to success.

Being Priceless means one's value is above any gold standard and cannot be bought b... [ More ]

Reply #34

jimmy4164 — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:26:18 GMT

P.S.

As for the Carborundum, mine's pretty tough to grind.

The problem is there are other more important places to be

Reply #33

jimmy4164 — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:33:45 GMT

Ako mabuti. Apparently, you and others here were involved long enough to learn that there really was something rotten in Denmark

Reply #32

eddessaknight — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:40:18 GMT

Ni Hao' Jimmy,

Glad to have you on board one the thread Jimmy - all are welcome to join....

While we are on the topic of out right deceit, manipulation and misdirection; I though you might enjoy this tragedy classic quote for naysayers from the Barb himself:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

~WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE / The Tagedy of Hamlet Act 1. Scene V

Gotta get back to the salt pepper mines but shall return!

Mean... [ More ]

Reply #31

Coin Toss — Sat, 12 Feb 2011 06:04:55 GMT

edessaknight,

Changing dealers, or crews on a dice table, or putting new dice in is thought to be the same as an opposing basketball coach calling a time out to break the other team's momentum.

Maybe some little podunk joint in a corn field in Iowa would risk its license to beat a flea (low level player) out of their minumum bet, but no joint in Vegas is going to risk a license to beat a pllayer.

A lot of the stuff written about this is by players who have to blame their losses on somet... [ More ]

Reply #30

jimmy4164 — Sat, 12 Feb 2011 04:08:10 GMT

Thanks for the feedback EddessaKnight.

My favorite Quote:

We are all stupid, wrote Mark Twain, just on different subjects.

My favorite quote comment: (And most thought provoking!)

Ain't that the truth? Sometimes I get overwhelmed when I think about all the blanks in my education and the ignorance that pockmarks my understanding.

My most frustrating aspect of LP:

Others exist but prefer to remain anonomous behind PM's Emails

...or worse, remain silent!

--Jimmy416... [ More ]

Reply #29

eddessaknight — Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:19:37 GMT

Thanks Jimmy, I finally got it and a most worth while read for those inclined towards fiorensic invetigation-

Biology Is Not Destiny.... ~Adrian Raim Biological Basis of Crime

Raim makes a sensible presenation in that chapter but so do others; paraphrasing Harvard's Prof Wilson On Human Nature

People are born left handed....

How many intangaibles remain unknown just as in horseracing with perhaps 28 accepted inluencing factors still diificult to predict because of the unknown fa... [ More ]

Reply #28

jimmy4164 — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:41:31 GMT

Lotterypost.com is inserting 'rel= nofollow external ' into my HTML, even after I edit it out. So, if you want to view the Washington State University study you will have to copy and paste the URL into a separate instance of your browser.

http [colon-slash-slash] cooley [dot] libarts [dot] wsu [dot] edu [slash] soc3611 [slash] soc%20361%20summer%202008 [slash] BiologicalBasisCrime [dot] pdf

I suppose this problem could be associated with my Firefox browser, but I've not experienced THIS pr... [ More ]

Reply #27

jimmy4164 — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:17:42 GMT

For a technical reason unknown to me, the link to Washington State Unversity above is unusable.

Try this one:

http://cooley.libarts.wsu.edu/soc3611/soc%20361%20summer%202008/BiologicalBasisCrime.pdf

Reply #26

jimmy4164 — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 05:16:31 GMT

It's in the genes!

It's such a shame that the world doesn't seem to be able to function without crime and corruption. I've been to foreign government offices where you had to pay a bribe if you expected to finish your business there in any reasonable period of time. Although there are places in the world where you can leave an expensive bicycle or camera unattended and in full view, and return hours later to find it undisturbed, across the board, there really are a lot of thieves in the world... [ More ]

Reply #25

eddessaknight — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:53:52 GMT

rtuyooo

Reply #24

eddessaknight — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 00:45:24 GMT

PLAY NO EVIL-

Hey CT et al , do appreciate your contuning interest albeit often in loyal defense of the casino business.

Regarding sleight of hand personell of the past, I personally know a stopper I am sure you know of such. This amiable highly talented house dealer is at the ready when players who by luck or by pluck are on a winning streak and pit rotates them into deal so as to change their luck and there are wheel burner croups who are known to clean a roulette table in 30 min. Perhap... [ More ]

Reply #23

Coin Toss — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:00:43 GMT

edessaknight,

Every sleight of hand person I ever so working in a casino didn't last long. Most did it as a hobby or were striving to become magicians.

The casino thinking on this is (and right they are) that anyne displaying any ability with this is eventually going to be swinging with chips off the table,. i.e., stealing from the house.

Back in the days before electronic surveillance and when along with the eye in the sky on catwalks above the games and the eye in the rug* prevailed s... [ More ]

Reply #22

jimmy4164 — Fri, 04 Feb 2011 03:55:24 GMT

Parimutuel concepts notwithstanding, it's a nice thought, and I second the motion

Reply #21

eddessaknight — Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:52:11 GMT

Gung Hay Fat Choy:

HAPPY LUCKY WISHES FOR CHINESSE NEW YEAR OF THE RABBIT

May Heaven's Gateway oprn with Good Fortune Blessings for all Games All Players !!!

EddessaKnight

Reply #20

eddessaknight — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:05:38 GMT

Thanks for your continuing interest, Jimmy-

Vegas is a entertainment magical mecca where the hand is hired to be faster then the eye. often amateur magicitans are employed because of their abilities to effectively deal with the cards,,,,,a second card can be dealt out of the shoe, with you looking at it, and you wouldn't have a clue, so just imahine the possibilities with a hand held deck.

Have observed to a number of major fights booked at the MGM Garden, Las Vegas and this is what I lear... [ More ]

Reply #19

jimmy4164 — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 05:09:31 GMT

EddessaKnight

CT you may have not seen any of the nasty stuff, but eye in the sky has + witneses

With the advances in technology we've all witnessed, it should now be possible for a BJ player to come equipped with surgically implanted speakers in their ears, wide angle web cams in their glasses, communicating with a super computer in a nearby van, thereby counting and playing with an edge of perfection! Can I assume the large number of cards now in play and the frequent shuffling have b... [ More ]

Reply #18

eddessaknight — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 21:59:18 GMT

CT, et al-

100% agreed as all the rank amatur visting players fantasize about easy money. but 'the business' still took precautionary insurance bet by changing the rules of the game further in favor of the house and against the 'sucker'. These measures have decreased the fun that the transient entertainment players previouisly enjoyed.

National TV poker exposure ,to some extent, has had the same effect as the book bringing more naive money players into the pot and don't seasoned pros love... [ More ]

Reply #17

Coin Toss — Sun, 30 Jan 2011 02:41:37 GMT

edessaknight,

The casino industry, the business , considered Beat the Dealer as having done more to increase blackjack play than anything else ever, up to that point. That book made the game more popular than it ever had been.

Reply #16

eddessaknight — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 23:12:26 GMT

Hello Jimmy,

Sorry for the inadverdant slow reponse as my biz activities occupy most of my time keeps me from posting daily.

I could never understand the rationale for calling card counting in Blackjack cheating ~Jimmy

Frankly it's not just the counting system but any methodology that gives a player a systematic advantage over the game becomes automatically suspect. And it can be St Lebowitz with a halo over his head, if he has found a way to overcome the odds legally or not; the pitt... [ More ]

Reply #15

Coin Toss — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 07:23:05 GMT

I never saw any of that. Usually when a casino doesn't want someone playing a certain game they will send plain clothes security to tell them they can play any other game in the house, or if they're suspect or known cheats they'll ask them to quietly leave the casinos and let them know they or the uniformed guys will be following them to the door.

I broke in in the late 1970s and saw the tail end of the old days. The old time bosses pretty well knew all the players. We had people come in who... [ More ]

Reply #14

jimmy4164 — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 06:38:09 GMT

Thanks Coin Toss,

One thing most players don't know is that some of the casinos send their personnel to card counting schools, so often times they are counting right along with the players who are trying to count.

Wow! I didn't know that, but it makes sense. I presume this would be so the dealer would know when to reshuffle(?)

But in the past, weren't they still pretty tough on even loan counters, publishing pictures of them, roughing them up, forcing them to disguise themselves? Mayb... [ More ]

Reply #13

Coin Toss — Sat, 29 Jan 2011 05:56:49 GMT

jimmy4164,

Part of the concern over card counting was team play. The counter would give a signal on how rich the deck was and multiple players would jack up their bets.

The late Bob Stupak, when he had Vegas world casino, invited card counters to come play inhis joint. His theory was that even if the deck was dealt down to the last card, and everyone knew there were let's say a Jack and a six left in the deck, only God knew which one was coming out first .

One thing most players don't k... [ More ]

Reply #12

jimmy4164 — Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:04:46 GMT

Hi Eddessaknight,

My question is a little late and slightly off topic but this seems like the most appropriate context for it.

In the past, when I'd see movies or read news items that dealt with the rough treatment received by alleged cheaters in casinos, I could always see how they could justify banning the kinds of activities I see described here, hidden cameras, collaborating teams, etc., etc. However, I could never understand the rationale for calling card counting in Blackjack cheatin... [ More ]

Reply #11

eddessaknight — Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:12:46 GMT

Hey Cypher-

Welcome back, you have been missed!

Many thanks for sharing your abnormal roulette experiences. Many players (who are not casino personell) will have to personally deal with casino reactions before believing; somethings have to be belived before they are seen

~

roulette is not a random game ~Cypher Absolutely as nothing is truly random, it jusy appears like that when all the details are unkown.

~

there are numerical relationships ~Cypher All things work like a Cl... [ More ]

Reply #10

cypher — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 05:38:37 GMT

eddessaknight: Great story! How have u been? I know I've been MIA here for awhile. I've been very, very busy with various projects and have half of them operational. Just popped in to peruse LP and came across this thread. True that about heat and skillful dealers . I have experienced both although skilled dealers are not prolific in number. Here's my story on heat .

I was playing in '96 and stacking chips and winning like there was no tomorrow and I was in a zone so to speak. It started with... [ More ]

Reply #9

eddessaknight — Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:03:57 GMT

I am back on line recieving more actual casino con ulture stories; this one from London

Ali Baba, legendary figure from 1001 Arabian Nights fame was lucky as he noly had 40 thieves to deal with

Wherever you play, be alert, safe careful

EddessaKnight

~

This is the story of Aspinall, Hill and the Clermont Club scam.

John Aspinall

John Aspinall was born into a British army family in India 1926. After his parents' divorce his mother married Sir George Osborne, who paid... [ More ]

Reply #8

eddessaknight — Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:39:44 GMT

Have been recieiving emails PMs on topic, as I am not posting daily, I am unable to answer each inquery individually so I will post this actual flagrant example of unethical casino interference.

Further sharing experiences of casino heat countermeasures. Heat as in interferences put by the casinos to prevent players from continuing winning.

Latest one seen at local casino last sunday is this:

There was this sympathetic old supervisor guy, he goes around the tables, a bit at bac, a... [ More ]

Reply #7

eddessaknight — Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:34:01 GMT

A vistor to a hotel does have a right to privacy ; She also said Nevada law limits guards detaing guests.

`M. McLetchie Esq, Director Civil Liberties Union Nevada

~

It's important to knowthat many times hotel secuirty are empowered by Metro Police officers that are just serving as bacckup.

~Mc letchie

No one, including casino security, police or the courts can overide anyone's Bill of Rights that are guranteed by our US Constitution!

Remember what we don't protect. w... [ More ]

Reply #6

eddessaknight — Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:14:25 GMT

Respectfully in response , anyone who iwrites like so; si to be commendedfor for dedicated loyalty to the casino industry; I am confident that that they were a profitable house dealers for all past employers. I do enjoy colorful stories shared casino experiences.

There is no debate that all properties have certain obligations regarding safety, security, maintaining order preventing thivery/cheating. To help these conditions they are equiped with a private army of armed security which is aided... [ More ]

Reply #5

Coin Toss — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:09:45 GMT

Hey there edessaknight,

There used to be a site called Rollling Good Times On the River. It was run by some people in St. Louis and came into being with the casino river boats but they completely changed gears and changed their site to other intersts.

I wrote a few things for them, but that was two or three computers ago for me, and it's all gone. (Natch I thought the site would stsay up).

Heres' one for you, this happened at the Marina, early 1980's. (Darn that was a good plac... [ More ]

Reply #4

eddessaknight — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:17:53 GMT

Hello Coin always good to hear your informed casino perspective.

I advocate for the benefit of gamblers especially advantage players. While there is a list of notorios player cheats world wide, it is ony exceeded by casino personell casino swendelling. Naturally properties must take ant-crimnal action againt theivery from all cources have high technoloy eye in the sky a private army as enforecemnt.

Having said that my concern is with the overwhelming majority of innocent gamblers (suckers

Reply #3

Coin Toss — Sun, 05 Dec 2010 23:12:41 GMT

Just saw this..... the game itself attracts a lot of systems players, and a lot of cheats.

As for system players, the game offers a lot of choices, black or red, odd or even, rows, columns, dozens, etc. But except for one or two bets on the layout every other bet you can make has a house advantage of 5.26%

The dealer has a heck of a lot to look for and there is usually one floorperson for two games. In the casino I broke in at there were players who were allowed to play antything but roule... [ More ]

Reply #2

eddessaknight — Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:39:58 GMT

Seriously consider this, if roulette was so unbeatable why do casinos use COUNTERMEASURES ????

Think about it!!!

EddessaKnight

Reply #1

eddessaknight — Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:15:54 GMT

Greetings BBH,

You have posed an interesting circumstance worth exploriing being conversant with the game of roulette I humbly hope I can make a candid contribution to this otherwise lonely thread LOL

If the true odds and payoffs are as you suggested, the house edge for the lottery is stupendous ranging from about 10% to 67%. Not even the worse slot machines have a house edge more than about 40%, so an argument could even be made that you are probably better off playing the slots than play... [ More ]

roulette

BigBuxHustla — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 07:06:44 GMT

dont rly see a topic here about playing roulette so ill just start one.

i see that many of us have some good luck and good results from playing pick 3, and with payouts as miserable as about 1:333 to some nice ones such as 1:900. However with games such as roulette hitting a straight number pays 1:36 odds being 1:37(EU) and 1:38(US)

Expanding this to compare to lottery payouts:

str8 hit in roulette

1:38 x 27 = 1:1026

1:36 x 27 = 972

assuming you win 27 straights, you will win a... [ More ]