MATH 5/39: Stack47, Garyo1954, RL-RANDOMLOGIC VS Jimmy4164

Reply #42

RJOh — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 04:00:56 GMT

My guess is that I'll just have to keep working and try and solve the problem on my own.

Now you're cooking. That's the same conclusion that most members who are working on a system eventually come to, especially if it's for a pick5 or jackpot style game.

Reply #41

Stack47 — Sat, 05 Mar 2011 00:05:48 GMT

Gap to me means the difference between the number or digit position. Delta Numbers are a form of lottery shorthand where the results begin with the lowest number drawn followed by the gaps between the remaining numbers. Last nights Texas Cash Five numbers were 2-13-29-32-33 and the Delta version is 1-11-16-3-1. It's obvious you're doing something else.

My fear was that the discussion would become one where I would be asked to explain why I decided to do this or that, which would lead to a lo... [ More ]

Reply #40

time*treat — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:36:38 GMT

Am I wasting my time? Just a bit.

How can I improve the workout? See above.

How I might solve the missed by one problem?

OPTION #1

Find 1 or more other systems that produce different winning pairs for the same game and drawing.

Combine commonalities. Yes, this may require sharing your toys with other kids. E.g. --

Bobby's system: 1,2,5

Peter's system: 1,3,6

Greg's system: 2,3,7

Winner: 1,2,3

OPTION #2

Switch to a game that pays something even when yo... [ More ]

Reply #39

Stack47 — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 22:37:17 GMT

Don't expect to find a strict correspondence between this problem and the (5/39) problem here.

Risk/Reward.

QPs versus player picks are similar to the goat problem because it created an illusion that the odds against picking the correct door first were changed after the results of one of the other doors was known. The question in the players mind should have been, should I go with the odds and swap doors because the odds never changed or go against the odds and stick with my original gues... [ More ]

Reply #38

bobby623 — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:43:06 GMT

Stack

When I decided to seek opinions and advice regarding Gap Strategy, there was a voice in my head that kept telling me that it was a bad idea.

My fear was that the discussion would become one where I would be asked to explain why I decided to do this or that, which would lead to a lot

of talk but no firm conclusions.

I've been trying to answer your questions, but, I don't really understand the question.

Gap Strategy is simply the creation of various data tracking streams fr... [ More ]

Reply #37

jimmy4164 — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 05:55:33 GMT

Stack47,

Your post above explains in detail areas where we differ in our understanding of certain aspects of the probability of choosing 5 objects from 39 without replacement. However, the fact that I think you're wrong [in part] does not mean I think you are a stupid person. I'm not stupid either. Based on what I've read of your postings here, you appear to have above average intelligence. The same goes for the others in your crew. You're mistaken when you assume I don't respect your intelli... [ More ]

Reply #36

Stack47 — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 02:44:34 GMT

I read your strategy, but you lost me when you suggested playing four combos straight and boxed. If you believe the gap between the first digit and the second is 2 and the gap between the second digit and third is 5, I can understand playing 249 or 360 straight but since 942, 492, 036, or 603 don't have gaps of 2 and 5, I saw no reason to play them.

If the strategy is based on boxed gaps of 2 and 5, the play should be ten boxed combos. There are only 22 boxed gaps (counting 00 that is the ten... [ More ]

Reply #35

Stack47 — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 01:53:58 GMT

I said that based on the Missouri payout tables, the Expected Value of a $1 MO-SM-5 ticket excluding a Jackpot is 28 .

Most lottery websites have charts showing the chances of any ticket matching 2, 3, 4, or 5 numbers; the chance of matching 4 numbers is 1 in 3386.8, etc. on the Show Me Cash. It simply means a player can reasonably expect to match 4 numbers by purchasing 3387 QPs with a probable 353 two number matches, 33 three number matches, and a 1 in 170 chance of hitting the jackpot. An... [ More ]

Reply #34

RJOh — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:53:31 GMT

Given you guys seem to know your stuff, I would appreciate it if you would take some time, read the Gap Stragegy procedures and offer some suggestions.

The trouble with dealing with guys who seem to know their stuff is they aren't interested in learning how to make someone else stuff work if their own stuff is working, they'll probably advise you to dump your stuff and learn theirs.

Reply #33

garyo1954 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:56:03 GMT

JIMMMMAY!!!!!!

Once again you've astounded yourself! Have you noticed ...the 3 people submitting worthless posts here.. include YOU?

Your posting history say, I need a hug.

ROI? Expected values? Are you an unemployed investment counselor using LP as an online resume? Are you looking for people to quit playing lottery and invest their money with you? Jimmy, friendly advice, start selling rocks. You'll make a bundle. Because that's what people want to throw at you. It's your fault. You'v... [ More ]

Reply #32

bobby623 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:26:00 GMT

Hi, y'all!

I've been reading your posts.

Seems you folks have a handle on mathematics as it applies to lottery play.

Have a question.

Instead of swapping insults, etc, why don't you direct your energy to help LP members improve their personal systems.

I have a workout I call 'Gap Strategy.'

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/197753

The link contains a basic description of the workout for Texas Pick 3. It has produced some wins in all the games, but

no jackpots or signi... [ More ]

Reply #31

jimmy4164 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 06:54:27 GMT

P.S. You said, If you know the drawings are random and any 5 of 39 numbers can be drawn, why would you buy 8 random QPs knowing that two or more numbers won't be on your tickets?

Why Not?

I do it all the time with the Powerball.

Reply #30

jimmy4164 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:16:16 GMT

Stack47,

You never explained where you got the 28% house edge for 5/39 games...

I did not say the house has a 28% edge in 5/39 games. I said that based on the Missouri payout tables, the Expected Value of a $1 MO-SM-5 ticket excluding a Jackpot is 28 . If you add the 25 expected for the Jackpot, you'll find one of these tickets is worth 53 . For this reason, most of your math above is irrelevent in this context, and some of it is meaningless. If you refer to my 1st Post in this Topic you... [ More ]

Reply #29

Stack47 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 03:07:05 GMT

It's amazing how you concluded my calculations were based on a one time bet of $360.

You missed where I said Don't bother telling us your imaginary 360 QPs would get the same results if you played them when RL made his bets because we already knew that . And I could have added 360 $1 bets or any possible combination of bets equaling $360 and the results would be exactly the same. Apparently I was wrong when I thought you knew 72% of 360 always equals 259.2 no matter how you divide the 360 be... [ More ]

Reply #28

garyo1954 — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:21:04 GMT

CAREFUL Jimboo-boo-boo!

Your CLOWN SHOES are growing!

....humans who count in base 8,.....Computer types call it Octal.

Does this mean all your stats and probability are worked out in Octal? MIGHT BE YOUR BIG PROBLEM!

No rant Jimboo-boo-boo, just the TRUTH that you were seeking. And now you flop, flail, and waffle.

The word is RESEARCH as in: When you post something, you should RESEARCH your ideas to ensure you aren't CLOWN SUITED by morons! Naturally, this moron knew you w... [ More ]

Reply #27

jimmy4164 — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:20:32 GMT

Garyo1954,

So this is what you're calling a fallacy, describing a set of arbitrary number systems and mentioning that one of them is still in use when it turns out it lacks a complete set of digit labels?

The purpose of the Fingers Toes thread is to show that the choice of BASE by humans in their counting systems is completely

A-R-B-I-T-R-A-R-Y !!

Do you get it yet Gary? Maybe you had better look up arbitrary before answering that. It wouldn't hurt to add fallacy to your list either... [ More ]

Reply #26

garyo1954 — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 21:32:43 GMT

Jimboo-boo!!!!!

Might I suggest you go back and read the American Journal of Indian Education, Volume 33, Number 3, May 1994 for a clarification on your pitiful proffering regarding Yup'ik base 20? The good doctor was kind enough to detail every facet of the Yup'ik counting system including the fact they they lacked a symbolic representation for their numbers!

You, however, flailed in the big wind attempting to use disinformation, founded on disingenious intellectual oversight, if not conn... [ More ]

Reply #25

jimmy4164 — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 20:17:35 GMT

Garyo1954,

While the disaster of basing two threads on a single idea and failing, questions EVERYTHING you present as fact!

Just what are you ranting about?

Failing to what? Enlighten you? So far, I guess I'm guilty of that.

RL showed facts; you offered fallacy.

Are you referring to the fact that the majority of sets in a 5/39 lottery contain 5 or 6 digits? Why Gary, that's not just a fact, it's a TRUISM! Unfortunately, it doesn't help much when your goal is to match 5 numbers... [ More ]

Reply #24

garyo1954 — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:05:03 GMT

Jimboo-boo!!! Comrade!!!!!

Having flashbacks this morning. Seems I recall reading a post about.....I assume TRUTH is the ultimate goal here. CORRECT?....with some assertion that is any of us morons stepped up and offered the TRUTH, you would recognize it.

Hello, king of the melting cheese ball!!!!

Your refusal to even attempt extraction gives us pause. If YOU were WRONG about a major fact upon which you based not one, but two threads, what else are you wrong about??

It questions your... [ More ]

Reply #23

jimmy4164 — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 06:20:51 GMT

I really shouldn't be sarcastic with you RJ. Although you may be a little taken in by the allure of some of the lottery fallacies, you have a complete understanding of the odds, and you definitely don't make outrageous claims of winnings like RL-RANDOMLOGIC!

Since I'm pretty sure you agree with me about betting to spread losses around by taking secondary wins in smaller pieces, I don't understand why you're usually on the other side of most controversies from me. Politics? OK.... [ More ]

Reply #22

jimmy4164 — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 05:58:45 GMT

It's amazing how you concluded my calculations were based on a one time bet of $360. It's also telling how you obfuscate my statements in general. You should consider politics.

Since you've made it clear that you know it all, it would be futile to try to teach you anything new. Unfortunately, the real problem here is that the degree of your NEED to be in control results in such an extreme NEED to believe that RL can outmaneuver the randomness of 39 lottery objects with such precision and deft... [ More ]

Reply #21

Stack47 — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 03:26:08 GMT

Has it ever occured to you that since I learned many years ago that it is impossible to do this, I don't even try?

RL, RJ, and Gary probably (and I certainly) have known for years what the probable outcome will be by playing QPs so once again you're telling us something we already knew. Yes it *occurred to me hitting a jackpot is difficult but can't be impossible. Go to any state lottery website and you'll see pictures of many players holding over-sized checks proving you learned nothing yea... [ More ]

Reply #20

rcbbuckeye — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 03:25:52 GMT

When it comes to playing lotteries I like picking my numbers my way using my system and I'm sure RL feels the same way.

BINGO!

There is no right way or wrong way to pick numbers. There is no reason to jump someone when they post a system. We're here to learn from others, share ideas.

Very well said RJOh.

Reply #19

RJOh — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 03:11:52 GMT

Do you ever get frustrated wondering WHY, when you carefully select sets with attributes that 95% of the previous winners have, you don't win any more than you do? Maybe you need to join RL's team.

Why would I be frustrated when I picked from the same 175,711,536 possible combinations as the winners? Do QP players get frustrated when winners pick their own numbers?. Just because I pick my combinations more deliberately than some doesn't entitle to a win. When it comes to playing lotteries I l... [ More ]

Reply #18

dr san — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 00:12:10 GMT

Hello friends, having the following basis, in a lottery can only be

Mathematically predict with confidence from 70% to 80% the rest is random

Example = can see that in a lottery of 49 / 6 when it is done

Much study until it gets 4 hits in 6 hits, then in addition

Let's try to put a lottery of 49 / 4 within a 49 / 6 or

Try to hit 4 numbers, but because we first have to hit 4 numbers

The other two will be random, taking the advantage of numbers turns 6

To hit 4, then the other... [ More ]

Reply #17

jimmy4164 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:41:40 GMT

My system also use digit counts to eliminate combinations but it only a part of the total elimination process. For example when I pick some lines for tonights' MegaMillion game, each combination will have 4-8 different digits, 8-10 total digits and cover 3-5 decades. I also will limit the sums of their 5 core numbers to 74-310 and the gap between the numbers to 1-34 with a range of the lowest to the highest numbers to 16-54 because 95% of previous winning combinations have those same limits. I a... [ More ]

Reply #16

jimmy4164 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 23:27:49 GMT

It's not that I dislike him personally, it's just that he hasn't provided any useful information to help anybody hit a jackpot or even get tiny profit playing any lottery game.

Has it ever occured to you that since I learned many years ago that it is impossible to do this, I don't even try?

What I have said over and over is that the best you can do is spread your winnings(losses) out over many small hits, but that in the end you are going to lose, UNLESS you hit the Jackpot, RL-RANDOMLOGI... [ More ]

Reply #15

Stack47 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:25:56 GMT

Also I wanted to add that as far as I know Stack is not using the digit system.

You're correct, RL and that's something I've never ever said to Jimmy.

I think, like me he just does not like you, simple as that.

Jimmy reminds me of an atheist on a religious message board and though sometimes interesting in their first few post, sticks around and become a boring troll. It's not that I dislike him personally, it's just that he hasn't provided any useful information to help anybody hit a... [ More ]

Reply #14

RJOh — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 21:52:07 GMT

Please take note: I don't expect the settings in RL's program to be compatable with anything but a Base-10 counting system.

It couldn't be any other way since all US lotteries use a base-10 numbering system and their numbers are the only ones that count when you play their games.

My system also use digit counts to eliminate combinations but it only a part of the total elimination process. For example when I pick some lines for tonights' MegaMillion game, each combination will have 4-8 diff... [ More ]

Reply #13

garyo1954 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 21:36:25 GMT

Are you planning to enter the Yup'ik lottery, Jimmy? Not that it bothers me, but the grand prize with parmutuel betting works out to, oh, 120 Yu'pik base dollars before taxes!!!!! Are you crazy?

Now, I failed to respond to the first post because, *ahem* let's just say there is a lack of research done on the Yup'ik. According to the Journal of American Indian Education, Volume 33, Number 3, May 1994, whereas the Yu'pik used a base 20 system, it consists of a subbase 5, i.e. left hand, right ha... [ More ]

Reply #12

jimmy4164 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:52:54 GMT

Since RL has left the building, perhaps someone else can step up.

Here is what we are to currently understand about the workings of the DDM (Digit Distribution Method.)

Although back in May, 2010 RL informed a skeptical disciple that his system worked best with ball drop machines, he now concedes it doesn't really matter; it will work with any Draw method. (See Above)

It's very clear now - IT'S ALL ABOUT DIGITS, and has nothing to do with historical results. I can stop complaining about... [ More ]

Reply #11

garyo1954 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 18:37:42 GMT

JIMMAAAAAAY!!!!!!

Your overestimation is astounding! Honestly, mathematically speaking, I make up about 50% of all facts I post. It's new statistics. I would make up more but I need the paint to finish these fishing lures.

Oh, I did answer #2. The ship must leave port to avoid accumulating barnacles. There is a study detailing Sudoku and Alzheimers. It must be true. I read it on the internet.

I do believe RL's evaluation of his DDM. Given that you state, I suspect most people here alre... [ More ]

Reply #10

garyo1954 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:14:32 GMT

TC, 1954 in my handle is not a winning number and I'm not an older person, I'm a senior. I'm a member of the Aggravating and Aging Retired People! I'll never be Miss Congeniality, although I may win the Cantankerous of the Year award. Yes, there is some innuendo, undercurrent, and a few double entendres springing from my petrified brain.

Reply #9

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 07:22:37 GMT

Jimbo.

The less then random is unrelated to the methods used to draw the numbers. When I first started

using this system Show Me Cash was a 5-30 and they used a ball droper. If you think that my claim

of winning 2 to 4 2nd level prizes each year having only invested a few hundred dollars is impossible

then you don't want to hear my results from that game.

THIS IS MY LAST POST.

Reply #8

jimmy4164 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 06:31:35 GMT

RL-RANDOMLOGIC, when you said, Wake up, the calculations you use are as common as air but rely on randomness. Remove some of the randomness and the calculations fail, it reminded me that you don't believe the Missouri computerized (5/39) Lotto is sufficiently random, and possibly why you are able to second guess it. But, when I look back at what you said here last May,

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/214856/1663662

This program was designed and worked best when MO. still had the ball d... [ More ]

Reply #7

truecritic — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 06:29:58 GMT

garyo1954

I am really not sure what you just said?

However, I might point out while some humor about diseases can work, there are many older people reading this forum and what you posted may not sound like humor to them.

You've posted this way in the past, maybe you don't want people understanding what you say? Perhaps just try some kind of regular post that is understandable in the future?

RL

It's obvious that if you are making a profit, you are doing better than you shoul... [ More ]

Reply #6

jimmy4164 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 05:40:02 GMT

Well Gary, I guess I overestimated you in my earlier posts. All along I thought you were a clown, and here it turns out you are only the makeup man.

This Thread is about math, so I'm sorry you didn't have time to address my 2nd question above - maybe next time.

It's puzzling when you say, Yep. I do want to test RL's system. If it works, I'll have more money to buy lawn tractor tires and feed dogs. Based on your previous accolades for RL and his Digit Distribution Method (DDM), I suspect mo... [ More ]

Reply #5

garyo1954 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 05:00:16 GMT

Hola Compadre Jimboo-boo!!!!

Fixed the tire today. Mowed. Don't know where the ship is going Jimmy, but when my doctor put me on prune juice, I told him I was still going to have pineapples. That's all anybody really wants to know about my system. Trust me.

Spent some time with my neighbors this evening. They are both nurses. At least that is their story. He's a psych nurse. I think she may be his patient. They told me once Alzheimers patients sometimes forget to live!!!! Lost my wife, the... [ More ]

Reply #4

jimmy4164 — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 02:52:39 GMT

RL says, Wake up, the calculations you use are as common as air but rely on randomness. Remove some of

the randomness and the calculations fail.

RL-RANDOMLOGIC: Anyone reading this can see that you are evading the real issues.

Would you please tell us what the average Missouri QuickPick player is averaging in terms of ROI,

since you apparently think they are not averaging 28 Cents on the Dollar (without a Jackpot)?

I'm really curious about your opinion. Do you believe they are d... [ More ]

Reply #3

JosephusMinimus — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:22:54 GMT

RL: I never heard of your digit system until a few days ago. I've gleaned what I could from your posts and done some low-level playing with the concept since then. I used what I understand of it, along with some ideas I got from LottoLaughs thread on the Pick 5 Forum to post a few predictions on the prediction board to see how it runs.

I hope you'll go ahead with the new thread you said you might post about it. I'd like to understand it better.

A separate thread for all the drama might be... [ More ]

Reply #2

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 00:22:58 GMT

Also I wanted to add that as far as I know Stack is not using the digit system. All of your

assmptions are incorrect again. I think, like me he just does not like you, simple as that.

RL

Reply #1

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 01 Mar 2011 00:11:46 GMT

Jimmy

We established quite a while ago that unless you win a Jackpot in the Missouri Show-Me-5 buying QuickPicks, on average, you will end up losing about 72 for every $1 ticket you buy. ( 1 )

Who do you consider WE in the statement above, I know you are counting (you) and just wanted to

know who the others are. The only thing you have done is just repeat the statitics for a 5-39

game provided it is sufficiently random

Wake up, the calculations you use are as commo... [ More ]

MATH 5/39: Stack47, Garyo1954, RL-RANDOMLOGIC VS Jimmy4164

jimmy4164 — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:58:34 GMT

I think the best way to solve the problem of interference in our Topics is to establish a sanctuary, so to speak, for discussion of our areas of disagreement. It's easy enough to reference whatever posting we feel a need to question, leaving the original poster's Topic intact.

So, for starters, here we go!

We established quite a while ago that unless you win a Jackpot in the Missouri Show-Me-5 buying QuickPicks, on average, you will end up losing about 72 for every $1 ticket you... [ More ]