Still interested in the Digit System?

Reply #34

RJOh — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:07:31 GMT

I was just in the chat room and some one was suggesting a digital system similar to yours. There may still be some players out there working with a system similar to yours.

Reply #33

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sun, 22 May 2011 05:45:48 GMT

Gary

It would be nice if you can work this out, The best I got to was maybe 3 of 5 front digits and maybe one pool

of 3 or so for one of the positions back digits. Just using or picking 3 front digits and letting the rest fall where

they fall works very well to reduce sets. Even hitting 1 or 2 is a big plus.

RL

Reply #32

jimmy4164 — Sun, 22 May 2011 04:47:46 GMT

How's the research going here on the Digit System?

Just curious.

BTW, is this an attempt to improve on the system that RL used for years, the one that produces an 1100% edge compared to QuickPick play?

If so, that's going to be a tough act to follow

Reply #31

garyo1954 — Wed, 11 May 2011 06:21:06 GMT

Working on putting front digit patterns with a single back digit. Primary concern is lack of data which you can see in the chart. Thinking a rematrix to 4 X 3, 4 X 2, or possibly 3 X 3. Those combinations will provide more data, but increase the back digit totals from 10 to 100 and 1000.

Should be interesting.

0 1 1 2 2 129 36 112 0 2748 2748 0 0 270 36 20 0 2748 2748 0 0 451 106 19 0 2748 2748 0

0 1 1 2 2 129 36 112 1 452 111 14 1 411 207 16 1 1327 1153 2 1 571 51 16 1 978 710

Reply #30

adamcustom — Mon, 09 May 2011 07:51:16 GMT

Gary,

Lots of thanks and kudos to you! Of course, I will download it asap.

Adam

Reply #29

garyo1954 — Mon, 09 May 2011 05:48:45 GMT

Adam,

I've uploaded a Excel summary file (all542Finalindex) which provides a baseline for any 5/42 game. If you haven't seen it, you might want to compare it to the results of the game you play. It's about 62K so it shouldn't take long to download.

Once you open it, you will see the chart for the pairs and trips in the back digits, front digit patterns, individual digit breakdowns, mixed digits, prime numbers, etc.

I wrote it to help (me) get a better understanding of the setting for t... [ More ]

Reply #28

adamcustom — Sun, 08 May 2011 18:44:13 GMT

Gary,

I think that looking at the total of base digits in the game can tell the story abt. what we can expect. For example looking at 1170 games in 5/42 game

I can see that :

1 base digit occurred - once only

2 base digits occurred- 23 times

3 base digits occurred- 84 times

4 base digits occurred- 235 times

5 base digits occured- 359 times

6 base digits occurred- 287 times

7 base digits occurred- 150 times

8 base digits occurred- 29 times

9 base digits occurred

Reply #27

garyo1954 — Sun, 08 May 2011 16:32:01 GMT

Adam,

I agree with that. This is a portion of the final file for AZ5/41 that deals with every back digit pair from 00 to 99 through every position (first and 2nd, 1st and 3rd, 1st and 4th, 1st and 5th,....to 4th and 5th). This sorted data demonstrates the truth of your statement perfectly. Base Digits (0,1,2,3, and sometimes 4) do fall irrespective of position.

In most cases I err on the conservative side when posting charts but attempt to post a sufficient amount to demonstrate key points... [ More ]

Reply #26

adamcustom — Sun, 08 May 2011 09:32:11 GMT

Gary,

Below is a random sample of draws in 5/42 matrix. 49 draws only, but I do not expect to see much of a difference when looking at all the draws. Out of 49 draws in 42 so over 85% of draws one of base digits i.e. 1, 2, 3 was drawn irrespective of position as back digit. Position-wise out of those 42 draws, in 32 draws, so 76%, it was in position 1 or 2 in a set. Then in 65% of draws they do show up as back digits in either pos.1 or 2 or both.

SAT 05/07/11 08 12 25 32 37

THU 05

Reply #25

garyo1954 — Sun, 08 May 2011 06:22:21 GMT

Twice I've mentioned the low digits tend to hang out as back digits in the first and second position. Apparently I promised to post the charts at some point and miserably failed. For that I apologize.

A short explanation: What you see in the chart as 12, or 13, or 14, etc isthe back digits in the first two numbers of a set. 12 could be 01, 02 or 01, 12, or 11, 12, or any combination showing 1 and 2 as the back digits in the first two numbers of the set.

Remember, the front digits in any 5... [ More ]

Reply #24

garyo1954 — Sun, 08 May 2011 03:17:12 GMT

Jim,

I don't know about wrong paths, I see different routes to explore. Hopefully, they all lead to the same destination. But for all I know, I'm on the wrong path. And like Thomas Edison, for the one way I've learned to do a thing, I've learned 1000 ways not to do it.

Yes, it is hard to compare and contrast two systems when I know nothing about one of them. And I acknowledge I know nothing about your system, so I'm at a loss.

Patterns are particularly appealing. I likely overlook them... [ More ]

Reply #23

jimjwright — Sun, 08 May 2011 00:33:33 GMT

Like I said I'm not here to discourage anyone. I choose to look for patterns versus numbers or digits. Patterns are much more interesting to me and when I say patterns I do mean patterns not numbers. I play the numbers that fall under the patterns not the other way around. That is the area I have chosen to research. Could be I have taken the wrong path. As far as drinking MAGIC JU-JU if that is whiskey then I fall into that category.

Good luck with your research.

Jimmy

Reply #22

garyo1954 — Sat, 07 May 2011 23:56:50 GMT

Jim,

Although I agree you have a valid question, I suppose the ultimate answer lies with the individual. From my perspective I've tried to relate the idea of digital systems from a basic statistical approach.

I don't agree that the first and last digits are the hardest to predict. In theory, the first, second, fourth, and fifth back digits are MORE predictable than the third. After charting the first and second, first and fifth and last two back digits in 11(?) games, there is no surprise... [ More ]

Reply #21

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sat, 07 May 2011 23:49:01 GMT

Jim

The digits and numbers have the same exact odds and from this way of thinking there would be no

advantage for using digits over numbers. I don't play the big games because of the odds and the digit

system is just another way to filter out numbers that is based on the frequency of digit hits. All lottery

systems, programs or any other method is nothing more then a filter or series of filters. They accept or

reject based on some information that when broken down to it's core is... [ More ]

Reply #20

jimjwright — Sat, 07 May 2011 19:39:31 GMT

Previously I asked the following:

So the question you must ask yourself is it easier to correctly choose 5 or less ending digits than it is choosing the balls themselves?

Jimmy

Prediciting the back or ending digits was always going to be the hardest problem to solve not the front digits. The digits system shows alot of promise, but fundamentally I don't think it is any easier predicting 5 or less ending digits than it is predicting the ball themselves.

Using Powerball as an example i... [ More ]

Reply #19

garyo1954 — Sat, 07 May 2011 16:57:30 GMT

Good Morning RL!

Any help appreciated ALWAYS! We're all in the same boat.

Some days my end seems to be sinking. That's when the fun really starts though. No complaints. I've been meaning to rewrite the tracking program so you and Steve made that happen. Along the way I got a new idea or two. Just have to go back to the notes and see where they lead.

Back digits are not coming out the way I hoped.

Front digits are more predictable, stable, and we know there are only 56 patterns in a 5... [ More ]

Reply #18

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sat, 07 May 2011 13:15:25 GMT

Gary

Here is a old dos program that allowed one to add digits for both 1st and 2nd positions for each number

I might convert it to 64-bit, let me know if interested. Really busy right now so it could be awhile

RL

Reply #17

garyo1954 — Sat, 07 May 2011 08:12:34 GMT

So what about three or four digits? Would using those improve the possibility of a hit? A couple of points are interesting here. Using a five digit set, there is only one possible position each can fall in. Using a smaller pattern we now have more positions availabe for a hit. If we use 2 digits, they can fall in first and second, 2 3, 3 4, or 4 5.

Three digits can fall in 1, 2, 3, or 2, 3, 4, or 3, 4, 5. Four digits either 1, 2, 3, 4 or 2, 3, 4, 5.

Sounds a bit cracked until you consider

Reply #16

garyo1954 — Sat, 07 May 2011 07:33:04 GMT

Looking for lottery numbers is a lot like buying soap. You can get so involved in the comparison process, you forget what you're looking for. With soap, it's the ads, slogans, price per pack, price per bar, price per ounce; somebody out there has already determined the price per bubble depending on water temperature.

Same with numbers. Hot, cold, hi/lo, even/odd, due/overdue, repeats, followers, leaders and wallflowers. We know making simple things complicated is easy. I'm a pro at it.

Al... [ More ]

Reply #15

garyo1954 — Wed, 04 May 2011 03:37:07 GMT

The last three games all contain 40 to 44 balls in the set. As you can see NJ and PA fall below the 80% floor, while surprisingly AZ remains above. Again the colors remain the same for all charts. If a color is missing in a chart, it means that pattern didn't make the top 25. The reason some patterns are not colored: Colors were used to ensure at least the top 5 in every chart was compared among all other charts. Additionally, any pattern that had more than 200 hits in any chart was colored........ [ More ]

Reply #14

garyo1954 — Wed, 04 May 2011 03:21:27 GMT

Here we dropped down to VA-Day (VAD) and VA-Night (VAN)5/34's and can see the consistency in a day and night draw. Although there are some, I would say minor differences, the data could be applied to either game.

VAN5/34 5187 VAD5/34 4001

FRONT DIGIT PATTERN TOTALS FRONT DIGIT PATTERN TOTALS

01123 415 01123 289

01223 374 00123 277

01122 340 01122 275

00122 307 01223 266

00123 297 00122 240

00112 283 00112 237

11223 201 01112 156

01222 200 01222 15... [ More ]

Reply #13

garyo1954 — Wed, 04 May 2011 03:16:09 GMT

Here's the IL5/39 and NC. I hesitate to include NC5/39 since it has less than 2000 draws, but it is consistent with the other games. We're only using the top 25 front digit patterns and staying above 80% hit rate.

IL5/39 5662 NC5/39 1648

FRONT DIGIT PATTERN TOTALS FRONT DIGIT PATTERN TOTALS

01122 399 00123 127

00112 374 01223 124

01123 357 01233 121

00122 341 01123 110

01223 297 12233 69

00123 263 02233 68

01112 253 11223 59

01233 227 01122 54... [ More ]

Reply #12

garyo1954 — Wed, 04 May 2011 03:08:26 GMT

Here's a look at CA and GA. These are updated through this weekend. So the total draws will change.

CA5/39 6305 GA5/39 5476

FRONT DIGIT PATTERN TOTALS FRONT DIGIT PATTERN TOTALS

01233 445 01223 417

01123 423 01123 394

01223 420 00123 350

00123 396 01233 323

12233 240 01122 206

11233 226 11223 192

11223 209 00112 178

02233 203 00122 173

00133 199 12233 172

00122 193 01133 157

01122 191 02233 153

00233 190 00113 152

01133 17... [ More ]

Reply #11

garyo1954 — Wed, 04 May 2011 03:01:34 GMT

The games used ranged from VA 5/34 to PA 5/44. These are the charts for FL and TX. The total draws are above the TOTALS box and below you will find the total number of hits and percentage these patterns hit. The top 25 recurring front digit patterns account for 80% of all draws in games where the matrix is less than 40. Colors are consistent throughtout all charts. (I don't know why the totals and percent won't line up at the bottom but let's pretend that 2268 and 82.68% is under the Texas total... [ More ]

Reply #10

garyo1954 — Wed, 04 May 2011 02:45:08 GMT

I love these little rainbow charts! What we've done here is compiled the summaries of 11 games and found the front digit patterns that hit most often. Don't have to look hard to see a 0 (zero) improves the chances of hitting something. Bet a quickpick can't guarantee that though. We'll post the game totals so you can check to see how these matc up in your state.

OVERALL

PATTERN TOTALS TOTALS

01123 3530

01223 3343

00123 3042

01233 2687

01122 2509

00112... [ More ]

Reply #9

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 03 May 2011 14:26:09 GMT

Gary

I can't begin to tell you how many times I thought I had everything lined out, posted it and then found a

dozen errors 20 min later. Then I do a quick rewrite and repost it only to find a dozen more. It use to be

said that in missouri that rain made the rocks grow because no matter how many you pick up as soon as

it rains they come right back. Hang in there we all have thse days.

RL

Reply #8

garyo1954 — Tue, 03 May 2011 06:51:30 GMT

RL,

Glad to see you here too! I know I can rely on you to keep me straight since I'm still fumbling around trying to get the basics striaght, or straight, or something. I wanted to put up new charts, so I updated the files and picked up a few new ones. That's when the trouble started.

You understand how that goes. LOL. You take 8 pieces of data, produce 27pieces of data, which writes 46 pieces of data and then you run the summary and find 0s where there shouldn't be any and 5634585694 wher... [ More ]

Reply #7

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 02 May 2011 11:30:41 GMT

Gary

Go for it, I will try and help any way I can. Playing digits is a very efficient means of playing the lottery if one

can choose several of the digits correctly. The main problems is how much resoultion a person wants to inject

into the sets. To explain this lets look at the binary string 100101001010101 Decimal value 19029. In playing

a lottery many people find that certain numbers or other data seems to have a much better chance of showing

in the next drawing but how to get

Reply #6

CARBOB — Mon, 02 May 2011 08:26:36 GMT

Thank you for the thread. I really think the digit system is the way to go , using pairs. Many thanks to RL for bring this to the front.

Reply #5

garyo1954 — Mon, 02 May 2011 07:43:02 GMT

Josephus,

It's good to see you. As you can see I've been busy here as well. The bad weather here the last couple of evenings knocked out the internet and phone(!) for most of one day. And although they called for thunderstorms this weekend and we were under tonado watch this evening, the worst thing we received is a cool front with not a drop of water.

I'm hoping a lot of people will follow this thread and ask millions of questions since the more that gets asked, the more we'll investigate... [ More ]

Reply #4

garyo1954 — Mon, 02 May 2011 01:20:28 GMT

Jimmy,

That's an interesting concept. First I've seen it so I'm not in a position to offer a definitive comparison. However, it is as you say, once the elimination of columns has been accomplished one is still left with 24 to 30 numbers to further scour, or wheel. Likely wheeling will leave several dead combinations. I base that idea on the chart in the first post.

In that chart, the top 5 front digit patterns show all 4 decades show up in about 25% of all draws.Whether this holds true in... [ More ]

Reply #3

jimjwright — Sun, 01 May 2011 19:44:48 GMT

If you just focused on the ending digits then before every draw practially half the combinations are not in play if you choose correctly.

For powerball you have the following matrix

00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19

20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29

30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39

40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49

50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59

Of course there is no 00 in play but you get the idea where the columns represent the ending digits. In the worst

Reply #2

ameriken — Sun, 01 May 2011 15:59:52 GMT

I'm interested as well. It's a fascinating concept and system, though I only know enough to get me in trouble.

I read every page of RL's first thread My digit system for pick 5 or pick 6 lottery , and if any else is not familiar with the system then start with this thread: https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/214856.

It's 46 pages and I do suggest at least skimming through it all, while slowing down for RL-RANDOMLOGIC's posts...as the thread progresses, so do his explanations of how it wor... [ More ]

Reply #1

JosephusMinimus — Sun, 01 May 2011 14:31:41 GMT

Glad to see the thread gary. I'm still interested. I happen to be involved in a different project that's taking a lot of time at the moment but this topic probably needs to be kept alive.

Gratefully the Lottery Systems definition thread's been moved, so maybe the bushwhackers will follow it.

Still interested in the Digit System?

garyo1954 — Sun, 01 May 2011 08:54:03 GMT

Why am I still working on it? Several reasons.

I do understand the digit system proposed by RL is intriguing and viable, yet somewhat complex in the use of the many filters. Still the positives outweigh the negatives. And it seems to me the biggest negative is to convince the brain that most draws contain 5 or 6 individual digits. In any 5/39 game 428973 sets of the total 575757 fall in this range. That's 74.5% of the total permutations in the entire set. Yet, even when we realize this, our b... [ More ]