How many draws back to analyze?

Reply #26

feri32 — Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:51:53 GMT

Thanks for the correction RJOh ... always good to learn from a more experienced player.

Reply #25

jimmy4164 — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:49:17 GMT

feri32,

Comments such as yours are not what people want to hear, especially people who hope THEIR comments will prompt people to buy lottery set selection software that they have an interest in. Check out some of my previous posts. I'm trying to follow the advice in your last sentence above.

--Jimmy4164

Reply #24

guesser — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 05:38:11 GMT

That is what I said, sorry I was being a d**k, but what I am suggesting is if you look, and you can go back FOREVER, even though most of the concentration of numbers is between past games 1-10, it shows that MOST games pick at least TWO numbers that have not hit in the last 9 games.

Now, 'most' is a relative term, it is not ALWAYS the case, but the tendencies speak for themselves, you can't miss them.

I cannot and would NEVER say 'you must pick a number from 14 games ago', but you cannot h... [ More ]

Reply #23

time*treat — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 12:44:31 GMT

Interesting. I may look further into this.

Reply #22

RJOh — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 06:42:40 GMT

Sorry I must have misunderstood you. When you showed the patterns of when the numbers in each drawing had last hit and said If you play your games kinda like this, your odds go way up. , I thought that what you meant.

Reply #21

guesser — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 06:23:44 GMT

Jesus man, I never said to pick a repeat combo, I never even IMPLIED it.

Go back and reread what I said and displayed.

Reply #20

RJOh — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:03:28 GMT

If you check all PB drawings going back to 10/09/02, you'll find those repeat patterns are almost as unique as the combinations, only four has ever happened more than once. One happened three times on 12/01/10 and 03/24/10 and 07/21/07 and the other three happened twice. Along with not repeating any combination, I also avoid duplicating any repeat pattern.

Reply #19

guesser — Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:16:57 GMT

Let me point this out: this is the chart of the last 20 games, the first number is how long it had been since the number in that position had hit last. You will notice the majority of lines have at least two numbers that have hit from beyond 10 games old:

17 31 7 8 17

6 19 15 9 12

3 5 42 21 15

3 17 5 25 6

8 12 23 2 1

4 2 2 1 11

22 19 5 14 10

44 1 11 5 5

6 21 3 6 7

18 4 1 4 3

3 1 13 20 1

8 18 11 6 7

4 2 12 3 3

10 8 12 11 7

Reply #18

RJOh — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 08:24:12 GMT

The problem is the last ten draws can contain up to 60 unique numbers and surprise, the more unique numbers the higher the individual draw having winning numbers from that group and the larger the wheel required.

You will have a total of 60 numbers in 10 drawings of a 6/53 game but you are limited to 53 unique ones.

Reply #17

BobP — Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:17:35 GMT

Hmmm, now you're making me think about the GH B: Chart which provides a wealth of information on how many winning numbers in each draw were found among a user selectable range of recent draws just prior.

For example, in the Florida 6/53 an average of 4.3 winning numbers can be found among the last ten draws.

The problem is the last ten draws can contain up to 60 unique numbers and surprise, the more unique numbers the higher the individual draw having winning numbers from that group... [ More ]

Reply #16

relowe — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 11:35:21 GMT

Thanks BobP,

Yes going back too far just opens up multitude of potential hot number sets as my routine has found - too deep and it just clogs with no definition. Thanks for pointing that out and putting it into words - I couldn't decide what was happening and was wondering if I had stuffed up somewhere. So I find I am settling on only about 13 to 15 previous draws as sufficient for me to determine a number set. My routine actually tells me how many times a number has been used in the group an... [ More ]

Reply #15

guesser — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 07:18:50 GMT

It also depends on just exactly WHAT you are trying to analyze.

Reply #14

BobP — Wed, 08 Jun 2011 06:37:54 GMT

If you had software that looks back at a user selected number of drawings (for Pick-6 I prefer double the number of balls in the game, i.e.: 6/53 = 106 past draws) you would find far too many various sized sets of numbers that had plenty of four and five and even six winning numbers among them. While picking one out of a thousand such sets is much better odds then one in millions, it is still hard to get a win.

Looking back is boot strapping, not really predictive. If you take a set of hot... [ More ]

Reply #13

RJOh — Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:32:12 GMT

Yes, globally you can examine the pulled numbers, but do not forget, that in a 6 out of 49 games your chances are 1 to 10,068,347,520.

The order the numbers are pulled doesn't matter so your chances of matching 6 are 1:13,983,816.

Reply #12

feri32 — Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:42:03 GMT

Do not analize!

The mathematical approach of lottery is that each draw is unique.

No matter what numbers were pulled before.

Yes, globally you can examine the pulled numbers, but do not forget, that in a 6 out of 49 games your chances are 1 to 10,068,347,520.

If you compare the draws from 1950, that is - in case of weekly raffles - (2011-1950) * 12 = 732 draws.

Now compare 732 to 10,068,347,520 - it means that you should not waste time with math.

It is pure luck.

Spend the t... [ More ]

Reply #11

billybouy — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 19:38:35 GMT

http://www.box.net/shared/1tlnpmi7sc

Try this one it's got every thing you want...

billybouy...

Reply #10

billybouy — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:30:10 GMT

Here is the other.

https://www.google.com/support/profiles/bin/topic.py?topic=1207011

billybouy...

Reply #9

billybouy — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:28:09 GMT

https://www.google.com/support/profiles/bin/answer.py?hl=en answer=1199142 p=plusone_button_error

Here is one link for you to try and find the errors.

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Reply #8

time*treat — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:36:15 GMT

I try to get a much of a games history as I can when I'm searching for some pattern or other.

If that wasn't enough, on occasion, I've posted here and asked others to look for certain things in their own similar game.

Reply #7

billybouy — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:01:04 GMT

Yes I use patterns along with other things, but only use 59 draws as that is what I like to use, to a great deal of success.

billybouy...

Reply #6

relowe — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 05:23:49 GMT

Thanks for the info - appreciated.

The responses in general have been premised with - What are you looking for?

The process I have is simple but currently not all that rewarding hence the question above to see if I might have been able to sharpen it up a bit.

I simply look for the hottest number set over the past number of selected draws. I start with say 15 numbers - any 15 numbers. I have developed a routine to see how succesful that 15 number set would have been if it had been used a... [ More ]

Reply #5

JKING — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 04:29:15 GMT

Hi,

It depends upon the system you've created. For me, I go back as far as I need to see if the results give me a definable trend or stable boundry conditions for a filter.

When looking at what people do at the LP, you will find that some only go ten game back, while others use every draw ever done in a particular game type.

I guess it just depends on what you are doing.

Reply #4

Stack47 — Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:42:19 GMT

Lately I've noticed many people are talking about patterns in most lottery games. The patterns are probably hit and skip in the game history so how far back would depend on the time limit of the patterns.

Reply #3

guesser — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:25:04 GMT

best answer.

I go back mnay years and just kinda sniff around for tendencies: 'these just hit, prior to that these hit, prior to that these hit..... if I go back in time will I see anything that kinda sorta looks like this, and what happened NEXT?' --- I use that to sometimes help me decide between one number or another.

Reply #2

sully16 — Tue, 31 May 2011 12:07:10 GMT

It really depends on what your looking for, and how much data, you choose to keep track of. Good Luck to you, I hope you find a method that suits your needs.

Reply #1

RJOh — Tue, 31 May 2011 11:01:25 GMT

Regardless of the matrix size I would think if you had the time you would want to analyze all drawings going back to the last matrix change.

How many draws back to analyze?

relowe — Tue, 31 May 2011 06:49:51 GMT

Question of the good folk here at Lottery Post.

Is there any guide or rule for how far back into the draw history one needs to go to perform some reliable analysis?

By analysis I mean frequency of occurrence, delays since last drawn, patterns, groupings - just general stuff perhaps whith a hot ball and grouping emphasis.

And would the numbers of draws back vary according to the number of balls drawn in the lottery?

ie say we wanted to be sure every ball had at least the chance of be... [ More ]