New to lottery wheels - a few questions

Reply #22

nasp — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:51:46 GMT

Yes, you are right! I am just trying to analyse every little detail I can think of. Thank you for all of your replies. You've been very helpful.

Reply #21

BobP — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:53:11 GMT

All things considered, more unique lines means more ways to win.

It is totally a matter of luck that the numbers fall onto a combination that matches the winning combination above the guarantee. There is also the chance of the more complete wheel having two or more winning lines and of course the more lines that match the guarantee the better chance they will have the additional matches to provide a better win or a jackpot.

One must do the best they can, number selection, wheel selec... [ More ]

Reply #20

nasp — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:26:04 GMT

Hi BobP,

Thanks a million for your replies. I was optimizing after I was generating the wheel and the amount of lines was staying the same. I just did it as you said and now I see what you mean!

About my previous message, I didn't exactly convey what I wanted. For instance, I have two wheels:

1) 4if6in6 in 23 lines, 4if6 100%

and

2) 4if6in6 in 9 lines , 4if6 75%

Let's say I get all 6 numbers in the second wheel and that 4 numbers fall into one line winning the 4th prize. A... [ More ]

Reply #19

BobP — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:00:23 GMT

Both wheels are open cover (15,6,4,6) 4if6in15 number wheels. The gimmick with justservices is all wheels are made with 9 combinations, so as the number of numbers goes up the coverage comes down.

The justservices wheel is streaching to cover 81.93% of 4if6 and as a result can't even close the 3if6 cover.

There is no better choice, it's like buying something sold by the pound asking which is the better buy, the 9 pound or the 15 pound, they are exactly the save value per dollar regar... [ More ]

Reply #18

nasp — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:25:46 GMT

Thank you for your reply. I understand now.

I think another way of telling if a wheel is split or not, is by trying to replicate them in CM. I tried replicating into CM some of these wheels I found online and CM did them in much more lines, so this I guess should also be an indication that it's a split wheel. Other wheels I have, were only 1-2 lines less than what CM produced, and these were the non split ones.

I have also been thinkg, let's say I have two wheels to choose from:

1... [ More ]

Reply #17

BobP — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:24:55 GMT

Understand, when you buy two tickets it's a split wheel. It isn't a problem because it's just two tickets and that's the nature of multiple ticket purchases.

The problem come in when the wheel is a large investment and the user doesn't understand the nature of what they are using, the pros and cons, the conditions under which a win is possible or virtually impossible.

When a wheel is made in CoverMaster 99.99% of the time it won't be split unless made split on purpose.

Wheels o... [ More ]

Reply #16

nasp — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:43:03 GMT

Also, is a 3if6 open cover wheel automatically a non-split wheel

Reply #15

nasp — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:53:30 GMT

Thank you for your replies.

It's just I have spent days gathering wheels from different places online (ie. pick34,lottologix) and now I can't tell which ones are split and which ones aren't. Should I discard them all and just use CM? Is there a procedure I need to follow in CM to avoid making split wheels?

Best regards,

Spy

Reply #14

BobP — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:04:08 GMT

worries me a little. I find many wheels online for free - how can I separate which wheels have been created by combining two smaller wheels so I can avoid them? Does covermaster or other wheeling programs use this method? This is a little confusing.

The easy way to spot a split wheel is to see if you have a group of numbers that do not share combinations with another group of numbers making up the wheel.

Best way to avoid bad wheels, make them yourself using CoverMaster. You can also... [ More ]

Reply #13

dallascowboyfan — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:27:54 GMT

Welcome to the LP nasp......

Reply #12

Raven62 — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:07:47 GMT

Wheels are Only as Good As the Numbers used in Creating the Wheel!

In Other Words: Wheels are Not Magic: They Don't Take Losing Numbers and Turn them into Winning Combinations

Reply #11

Todd — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:58:14 GMT

There are full wheels, and then everything else is designed to save money on ticket purchases, in one way or the other.

Do you want complete coverage of your numbers, and have a large budget? Use a Full wheel. Are you the type who thinks that you can best determine what combinations of numbers should not be in the wheel? Then use a filtered Full wheel. Are you the type who thinks that a specific number will be in the results? Try a Key wheel. Are you the type who wants a specific guarantee o... [ More ]

Reply #10

nasp — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:27:34 GMT

Thank you for your replies.

You are right! I am trying to organise everything in my head and there's so much info out there.

So as I understand, the following list of types of wheels starting from best to worse (in terms of having a better chance of winning higher prizes) would be accurate?

1) Full wheels

2) Full Filtered

3) Key/ Banker/ Group /Conditional wheels - Zone Wheels

4) Open cover wheels or Abbreviated wheels

Have you ever used skip 4 or ski... [ More ]

Reply #9

BobP — Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:21:10 GMT

It sounds to me like you are dealing with information overload.

Lotwin has the most features because it is the most expensive, be sure to work the demo before spending hard earned or hard won money.

When you get more used to CoverMaster, you can experiment with the effect of pulling a single line out of a wheel. CM can sort the lines by their contribution to the cover, pull the lowest line out of some wheels its value is less then 1% compared to 20% for the top line. Where as some ot... [ More ]

Reply #8

Todd — Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:47:01 GMT

Trimming numbers from an abbreviated wheel that you think won't win is just the opposite of what you use that type of wheel for. If you think certain combinations won't win, then trim them off of a full wheel.

Put it this way: if you decide to filter an abbreviated wheel, you might as well purchase Quick Picks, because they will have the same chance of winning a prize -- maybe even a better chance.

All the Intellegence behind what will or won't win a prize was already done in advance by th... [ More ]

Reply #7

nasp — Fri, 05 Aug 2011 11:27:14 GMT

Hello,

I really appreciate both of your replies.

1) That feature in covermaster passed by me. That's exactly what I was looking for!Thank you. I'll try the programs you have mentioned but I think from the looks of it Lotowin has the most comprehensive list of features which is what I am looking for.

Todd, I realise using filters on abbreviated wheels will void the guarantee, but in most cases I have found that when I generate the combinations I get about 1/3 of the lines in combinations... [ More ]

Reply #6

BobP — Fri, 05 Aug 2011 07:51:57 GMT

1. CoverMaster does have the exchange pointers for your numbers freature.

Make your wheel. Use the drop down tool bar [Configure][Own Numbers][Set] type your numbers next to the pointers you want to exchange with and [Apply] Now Click [Display] and the grid will change from the pointers to your numbers. However as I recall print will still print the pointers you have to use the tool bar selection to select all then copy and paste to notepad to have a hard copy of the wheel with your number... [ More ]

Reply #5

Todd — Fri, 05 Aug 2011 02:59:56 GMT

What you are looking for is essentially a bad idea. To place a filter on an abbreviated wheel is really bad. They are already (hopefully) mathematically minimal (or close to it), but then to place a filter on it makes it completely useless.

The only wheels you want to place filters on are FULL wheels. After filtering FULL wheels, you are left with the combinations that pass through the filter, not an already minimal wheel which is rendered useless by filtering.

And so, if you want to filte... [ More ]

Reply #4

nasp — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:46:46 GMT

Hi Karinda,

Thank you for your reply. I saw that page before but it I can't seem to find what I am looking for. I mainly need a program where I can import wheels, exchange the wheels' pointers with my numbers, generate the wheels and later filter them with different options. Are you aware of any program that allows me to do this?

Thanks

Spy

Reply #3

karinda — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:04:12 GMT

Hi Spy,

I can't copy the link for you, but this is a copy of the page that explains the wheels and what's available for each membership. I hope this helps. (It looks like some of the links are active, but DON'T click on them. I'm not sure if New Members can't click on links in public posts. That's why I tried to only post the text. I hope that this will point you in the right direction, but whatever you do, DON'T CLICK ON THE LINKS! You need to find out whether you can click on them first. I... [ More ]

Reply #2

nasp — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 18:20:09 GMT

Hi karinda,

Thanks for the reply. I tried looking for filtering software here on lottery post and the only one I could find was the Deflate 4 program which is not suitable for 6/49 and 5/50 games. Could you direct me where I can download such software?

Thanks,

Spy

Reply #1

karinda — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 16:01:37 GMT

There are an array of tools available to Lottery Post members. If you haven't already, you may want to look at what's available for members to use. The 5/50 wheel can be generated using one of the 5 + 1 wheels available for the big games.

Good Luck.

New to lottery wheels - a few questions

nasp — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 13:23:13 GMT

Hello to everyone,

I am new to lottery wheels and I would be gretaful if anyone could help me out.

1) I am looking for a program that allows to import full or abbreviated wheels, exchange the pointers with my numbers of choosing anf then apply filters, i.e. sum, sequential numbers etc, to the lines created. Does such a program exist? I currently use covermaster but it lacks the 'exchange the pointers for my numbers' and filtering options.

2) How and in what program can I creat... [ More ]