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Hello to everyone,

I am new to lottery wheels and I would be gretaful if anyone could help me out.

 

1) I am looking for a program that allows to import full or abbreviated wheels, exchange the pointers with my numbers of choosing anf then apply filters, i.e. sum, sequential numbers etc, to the lines created. Does such a program exist? I currently use covermaster but it lacks the 'exchange the pointers for my numbers' and filtering options.

 

2) How and in what program can I create open cover wheels? Are these better than closed cover wheels?

 

3) Does anyone know where I can find any 5/50 wheels?

 

Best regards,

Spy

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    Hello to everyone,

    I am new to lottery wheels and I would be gretaful if anyone could help me out.

     

    1) I am looking for a program that allows to import full or abbreviated wheels, exchange the pointers with my numbers of choosing anf then apply filters, i.e. sum, sequential numbers etc, to the lines created. Does such a program exist? I currently use covermaster but it lacks the 'exchange the pointers for my numbers' and filtering options.

     

    2) How and in what program can I create open cover wheels? Are these better than closed cover wheels?

     

    3) Does anyone know where I can find any 5/50 wheels?

     

    Best regards,

    Spy

    There are an array of tools available to Lottery Post members. If you haven't already, you may want to look at what's available for members to use. The 5/50 wheel can be generated using one of the 5 + 1 wheels available for the big games.

    Good Luck.

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      Hi karinda,

       

      Thanks for the reply. I tried looking for filtering software here on lottery post and the only one I could find was the Deflate 4 program which is not suitable for 6/49 and 5/50 games. Could you direct me where I can download such software?

       

      Thanks,

      Spy

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        Hi karinda,

         

        Thanks for the reply. I tried looking for filtering software here on lottery post and the only one I could find was the Deflate 4 program which is not suitable for 6/49 and 5/50 games. Could you direct me where I can download such software?

         

        Thanks,

        Spy

        Hi Spy,

        I can't copy the link for you, but this is a copy of the page that explains the wheels and what's available for each membership.  I hope this helps. (It looks like some of the links are active, but DON'T click on them. I'm not sure if New Members can't click on links in public posts. That's why I tried to only post the text. I hope that this will point you in the right direction, but whatever you do, DON'T CLICK ON THE LINKS! You need to find out whether you can click on them first. I didn't know they would stay active. Sorry about that.

        Best regards,

        Karinda

        Choose a game type for your wheel

        What is a Lottery Wheel?

        Lottery Wheel Systems are a method of playing lottery games, in which the player buys several tickets, and arranges the numbers on the tickets in such a manner that they will have a guaranteed winner if the drawing results fall within a certain range of numbers.

        There are hundreds, if not thousands, of possible wheel combinations, but they all boil down to three key elements:

        1. The minimum guarantee (for example, I want to match a minimum of 3 numbers),

        2. The number of lottery numbers drawn that must fall within your set of numbers in order to guarantee a prize, and,

        3. How many different numbers you're including in the wheel.

        A short version of the 3 key elements of the wheel is:

        • Guaranteed X-win if Y of the numbers drawn are in your set of Z numbers.

        Shorter still, the common nomenclature to describe a wheel is:

        • X if Y of Z.

        For example, if you want to pick 14 different numbers in your wheel, and you want to be guaranteed at least a 4-number match if 5 of the numbers drawn are within your set of 14, then the wheel would be specified as 4 if 5 of 14.  (Some people will even remove the spaces to make it 4if5of14.)

        You will often see wheels described with additional digits and letters, which describe the total number of lottery numbers drawn for the game (i.e., the number 6 will be included for a Pick 6-style game), as well as F, A, or K to describe a Full, Abbreviated, or Key Number lottery wheel type (more on that subject below).

        As you can probably imagine, as your set of numbers widens, and as you increase your guarantee to a greater number of matches, the number of tickets needed to play the system can become quite large.  Therefore, it is very important to set your expenditure limits before choosing a wheel to play, and not to risk money that would otherwise be paying the rent or heating bill.  (Remember, it's entertainment, so don't spend a lot of money unless you have the resources to do so.)

        Also, the word "guarantee" needs to be taken in the right way: do not think you're going to win every time, because even with a wheel, you're still only covering a very small set of the game's total combinations.

        As mentioned above, there are three different types of wheels, which offer different levels of coverage of your numbers, and ultimately controls how much money you're going to spend buying tickets.  The three different wheel types are:

        1. Full Wheels (All members have access) - Covers all possible combinations of the selected set of numbers.  The advantage to a full wheeling system is that because all possible winning combinations are present in your tickets, you are guaranteed to win several prizes if three or more numbers drawn are within your set of wheeled numbers.  The drawback to a full wheeling system is that these wheels produce a large number of tickets/costs and may not be the best way to play for most people's lotto budget.  Full wheels can be ideal for large pools of players.

          Filtering (Gold and Platinum members have access) - We have provided a huge assortment of filters to reduce the number of combinations included in your Full Wheel.  This will allow you to craft the resulting number wheel such that any combinations that do not match the filter criteria you specify are eliminated form the wheel.  Filtering is only available on Full Wheels, because the Key Wheels and Abbreviated Wheels would lose their guarantees if filtered.

        2. Key Wheels (Gold and Platinum members have access) - Works like an Abbreviated Wheel (see below), except that each ticket will contain your key number.  Use a key wheel if you're sure that a certain number will definitely appear in the results, and you want the benefits of mathematically-reduced Abbreviated Wheel.

        3. Abbreviated Wheels (Platinum members have access) - Does not cover all possible combinations, but guarantees at least one winning ticket if a certain amount of numbers drawn fall within your wheeled number set.  Abbreviated wheels are a good balance between wide coverage of numbers and a reasonable budget, and may be more suitable for the solo lottery player.  When choosing a wheel, look for the criteria that must be met in order to guarantee a win, as well as the number of tickets that must be purchased.  Lottery Post features some of the best abbreviated wheels available anywhere.  In most cases they are exceptionally well-balanced and mathematically-minimal, providing unique value and benefit.

        Abbreviated Wheels are often the most sought-after, because they offer the unique combination of good coverage for a reasonable budget.  Using an Abbreviated Wheel is mathematically superior to using a filter to reduce "excess" number combinations, because you still retain a guarantee of winning a prize if you match some numbers.  With a filter you have no such guarantee.

        Some of the Pick 6 Abbreviated Wheels available to Lottery Post Platinum members are based on the hand-crafted, mathematically-minimal lottery wheels constructed by Iliya Bluskov in his book Combinatorial Lottery Systems (Wheels) with Guaranteed Wins.  Several of the wheels offer significant reduction in the number of tickets that must be played to guarantee a win.  For example, Gail Howard's System #513 (4if5of20) has a minimum purchase of 216 tickets, whereas the Lottery Post 4if5of20 Abbreviated Wheel (created by Bluskov) only requires 145 tickets to be purchased — a reduction of 66 tickets for the same guarantee!

        To use a lottery wheel, first click on the game type above, which will take you to the page containing all the wheels available for that game type.  Then, after you select a wheel, you will enter the numbers to include in the wheel, and then the wheel will be automatically created for you.

        Good luck!

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          Hi Karinda,

           

          Thank you for your reply. I saw that page before but it I can't seem to find what I am looking for. I mainly need a program where I can import wheels, exchange the wheels' pointers with my numbers, generate the wheels and later filter them with different options. Are you aware of any program that allows me to do this?

           

          Thanks

          Spy

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            Posted: August 4, 2011, 10:59 pm - IP Logged

            Hi Karinda,

             

            Thank you for your reply. I saw that page before but it I can't seem to find what I am looking for. I mainly need a program where I can import wheels, exchange the wheels' pointers with my numbers, generate the wheels and later filter them with different options. Are you aware of any program that allows me to do this?

             

            Thanks

            Spy

            What you are looking for is essentially a bad idea.  To place a filter on an abbreviated wheel is really bad.  They are already (hopefully) mathematically minimal (or close to it), but then to place a filter on it makes it completely useless.

            The only wheels you want to place filters on are FULL wheels.  After filtering FULL wheels, you are left with the combinations that pass through the filter, not an already minimal wheel which is rendered useless by filtering.

            And so, if you want to filter full wheels, which is really the only sane way to filter wheels, you have come to the right place.  Because Lottery Post has some of the most full-featured filtering capabilities on full wheels that you can find.

            Both Pick 5 and Pick 6 full wheel filtering is available.  Go to www.lotterypost.com/wheels, and choose Pick 5 or Pick 6 wheels, select the Full Wheel with the number set size you're looking for, and then click the Show Filters button.

             

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              Hello to everyone,

              I am new to lottery wheels and I would be gretaful if anyone could help me out.

               

              1) I am looking for a program that allows to import full or abbreviated wheels, exchange the pointers with my numbers of choosing anf then apply filters, i.e. sum, sequential numbers etc, to the lines created. Does such a program exist? I currently use covermaster but it lacks the 'exchange the pointers for my numbers' and filtering options.

               

              2) How and in what program can I create open cover wheels? Are these better than closed cover wheels?

               

              3) Does anyone know where I can find any 5/50 wheels?

               

              Best regards,

              Spy

              1. CoverMaster does have the exchange pointers for your numbers freature. 

              Make your wheel.  Use the drop down tool bar [Configure][Own Numbers][Set] type your numbers next to the pointers you want to exchange with and [Apply] Now Click [Display] and the grid will change from the pointers to your numbers.  However as I recall print will still print the pointers you have to use the tool bar selection to select all then copy and paste to notepad to have a hard copy of the wheel with your numbers.

              Todd is correct as usual, you can't filter these wheels to good effect.  You have to use a program like Lottohat, Advanced Lotto Tool or Lotwin, to build the wheel around your filters or chip away at a full wheel like the LotteryPost tool does.

              2. CoverMaster makes open cover wheels.  Any wheel that is less then a 100% closed cover for your prize guarantee is an open cover.  For example, a 3if5 closed cover is also a 4if5 open cover.    Try making a open cover wheel with the number of lines restricted to your budget or the percentage of cover set to less then 100%.  Try making a 3if5 closed cover, locking it and building a 50% 4if5 cover around it, you can get some interesting effects working with CoverMaster and it's fun too!   

              Normally the number selection process is total risk while the wheel is 100%.  By adding some risk to the wheel, say a 90% open cover you can save a lot of money for a limited risk.

              3. CoverMaster can make 5/50 wheels, just adjust the up and own arrows to the left of the grid.  Don't use the Optimizer until after the wheel has been made to your budget if making an open cover.  CoverMaster won't make full wheels, but can make a 2if5 or 3if5 or 4if5 or 4if4of5 for 50 numbers etc.  Anything smaller like 5/25 are also wheels for a 5/50 game after the pointer exchange.

              BobP

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                Hello,

                I really appreciate both of your replies.

                1) That feature in covermaster passed by me. That's exactly what I was looking for!Thank you. I'll try the programs you have mentioned but I think from the looks of it Lotowin has the most comprehensive list of features which is what I am looking for.

                Todd, I realise using filters on abbreviated wheels will void the guarantee, but in most cases I have found that when I generate the combinations I get about 1/3 of the lines in combinations that I don't think will come up in the next draw i.e. 2 ,7,8, 46 ,47,49 or 1,3,5,15,17,19. Isn't it preferable to use filters on the abbreviated wheels also thereby enabling me to purchase less tickets -  then generate a new set of lines with the same wheel by rearranging my chosen numbers on the wheel?

                 

                2) Thank you for explanation. I tried what you have described and the results are very interesting as I can get much less lines for a very good coverage.

                What would you consider the maximum reduction in the percentage when creating an open wheel or the optimum limit without being too risky? For instance, if 3if6 is 100% and 4if6 is 80%, is the 4if6 too risky? Should I only aim for instance for no less than 90% reduction on the open cover wheel?

                I have read that open cover wheels are more preferable than closed cover wheels because closed cover wheels are mostly two different wheels combined in one -  so large prizes are difficult to hit ( the explanation was similar in these lines ).I don't know if this holds any truth as I am just trying to get my head around wheeling, all the types and options.

                 

                3) What does the Optimizer exactly do? I've read the manual and it doesn't explain how to use it.

                 

                Best regards,

                 

                Spy

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                  Posted: August 5, 2011, 9:47 am - IP Logged

                  Hello,

                  I really appreciate both of your replies.

                  1) That feature in covermaster passed by me. That's exactly what I was looking for!Thank you. I'll try the programs you have mentioned but I think from the looks of it Lotowin has the most comprehensive list of features which is what I am looking for.

                  Todd, I realise using filters on abbreviated wheels will void the guarantee, but in most cases I have found that when I generate the combinations I get about 1/3 of the lines in combinations that I don't think will come up in the next draw i.e. 2 ,7,8, 46 ,47,49 or 1,3,5,15,17,19. Isn't it preferable to use filters on the abbreviated wheels also thereby enabling me to purchase less tickets -  then generate a new set of lines with the same wheel by rearranging my chosen numbers on the wheel?

                   

                  2) Thank you for explanation. I tried what you have described and the results are very interesting as I can get much less lines for a very good coverage.

                  What would you consider the maximum reduction in the percentage when creating an open wheel or the optimum limit without being too risky? For instance, if 3if6 is 100% and 4if6 is 80%, is the 4if6 too risky? Should I only aim for instance for no less than 90% reduction on the open cover wheel?

                  I have read that open cover wheels are more preferable than closed cover wheels because closed cover wheels are mostly two different wheels combined in one -  so large prizes are difficult to hit ( the explanation was similar in these lines ).I don't know if this holds any truth as I am just trying to get my head around wheeling, all the types and options.

                   

                  3) What does the Optimizer exactly do? I've read the manual and it doesn't explain how to use it.

                   

                  Best regards,

                   

                  Spy

                  Trimming numbers from an abbreviated wheel that "you think won't win" is just the opposite of what you use that type of wheel for.  If you think certain combinations won't win, then trim them off of a full wheel.

                  Put it this way:  if you decide to filter an abbreviated wheel, you might as well purchase Quick Picks, because they will have the same chance of winning a prize -- maybe even a better chance.

                  All the "Intellegence" behind what will or won't win a prize was already done in advance by the person or computer that created the abbreviated wheel.  You can't make it "better" or "smarter" by trimming out combinations.  You'll only make it "useless".

                   

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                    Posted: August 5, 2011, 7:21 pm - IP Logged

                    Hello,

                    I really appreciate both of your replies.

                    1) That feature in covermaster passed by me. That's exactly what I was looking for!Thank you. I'll try the programs you have mentioned but I think from the looks of it Lotowin has the most comprehensive list of features which is what I am looking for.

                    Todd, I realise using filters on abbreviated wheels will void the guarantee, but in most cases I have found that when I generate the combinations I get about 1/3 of the lines in combinations that I don't think will come up in the next draw i.e. 2 ,7,8, 46 ,47,49 or 1,3,5,15,17,19. Isn't it preferable to use filters on the abbreviated wheels also thereby enabling me to purchase less tickets -  then generate a new set of lines with the same wheel by rearranging my chosen numbers on the wheel?

                     

                    2) Thank you for explanation. I tried what you have described and the results are very interesting as I can get much less lines for a very good coverage.

                    What would you consider the maximum reduction in the percentage when creating an open wheel or the optimum limit without being too risky? For instance, if 3if6 is 100% and 4if6 is 80%, is the 4if6 too risky? Should I only aim for instance for no less than 90% reduction on the open cover wheel?

                    I have read that open cover wheels are more preferable than closed cover wheels because closed cover wheels are mostly two different wheels combined in one -  so large prizes are difficult to hit ( the explanation was similar in these lines ).I don't know if this holds any truth as I am just trying to get my head around wheeling, all the types and options.

                     

                    3) What does the Optimizer exactly do? I've read the manual and it doesn't explain how to use it.

                     

                    Best regards,

                     

                    Spy

                    It sounds to me like you are dealing with information overload. 

                    Lotwin has the most features because it is the most expensive, be sure to work the demo before spending hard earned or hard won money.

                    When you get more used to CoverMaster, you can experiment with the effect of pulling a single line out of a wheel.  CM can sort the lines by their contribution to the cover, pull the lowest line out of some wheels its value is less then 1% compared to 20% for the top line.  Where as some other wheels, smaller tighter wheels that last line may contribute identical coverage equal to all lines. 

                    Now here's the thing with pulling lines out of a wheel.  That line could be a winner irregardless of it having some problem you don't care for.    We don't play the wheel for the prize it guarantees, we play to win bigger then the guarantee, that's why the open cover portion of the wheel is so important for targeting higher prizes.

                    Risk is relative and should be based on budget.  90% coverage is better than 80% is better then 70%, work within your means to get the best value for your money.

                    Some wheels are made by placing two wheels side by side.  For example:  One side covering numbers 1-15 and the other covering 16-30 (often jumbled to hide construction) with an overall guarantee of a 3 number prize when five numbers fall across the  total number field.  It is very hard to win a jackpot due to how rare it is to have all the winning numbers fall onto one of the halfs.

                    These wheels are made to create the cheapest possible cover.  It is preferable to make an open cover to the same number of lines, where all the winning numbers don't have to fall onto one side or the other to win.

                    The Optimizer, when making small wheels, some can be improved by checking the Optimizer box before starting the wheel generation.  Other times, we make a wheel to budget only to find the coverage is less then hoped for.  Use the drop down menu to bring up the Optimizer and Start it up, it often can find improvements that increase the percentage of coverage.   You gotta try this stuff, play around you can't hurt CoverMaster, its much easier then explaining.

                    BobP

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                      Thank you for your replies.

                      You are right! I am trying to organise everything in my head and there's so much info out there.

                      So as I understand, the following list of types of wheels starting from best  to worse (in terms of having a better chance of winning higher prizes) would be accurate?

                      1) Full wheels

                      2) Full Filtered

                      3) Key/ Banker/ Group /Conditional wheels - Zone Wheels

                      4) Open cover wheels or Abbreviated wheels

                       
                      Have you ever used skip 4 or skip 9 wheels? Would you consider these more preferable than abbreviated wheels?

                       

                      Also what you have written above:

                      "Some wheels are made by placing two wheels side by side.  For example:  One side covering numbers 1-15 and the other covering 16-30 (often jumbled to hide construction) with an overall guarantee of a 3 number prize when five numbers fall across the  total number field.  It is very hard to win a jackpot due to how rare it is to have all the winning numbers fall onto one of the halfs.

                      These wheels are made to create the cheapest possible cover.  It is preferable to make an open cover to the same number of lines, where all the winning numbers don't have to fall onto one side or the other to win."

                       

                      worries me a little.  I find many wheels online for free -   how can I separate which wheels have been created by combining two smaller wheels so I can avoid them? Does covermaster or other wheeling programs use this method? This is a little confusing.

                       

                      Thank you,

                      Spy

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                        Thank you for your replies.

                        You are right! I am trying to organise everything in my head and there's so much info out there.

                        So as I understand, the following list of types of wheels starting from best  to worse (in terms of having a better chance of winning higher prizes) would be accurate?

                        1) Full wheels

                        2) Full Filtered

                        3) Key/ Banker/ Group /Conditional wheels - Zone Wheels

                        4) Open cover wheels or Abbreviated wheels

                         
                        Have you ever used skip 4 or skip 9 wheels? Would you consider these more preferable than abbreviated wheels?

                         

                        Also what you have written above:

                        "Some wheels are made by placing two wheels side by side.  For example:  One side covering numbers 1-15 and the other covering 16-30 (often jumbled to hide construction) with an overall guarantee of a 3 number prize when five numbers fall across the  total number field.  It is very hard to win a jackpot due to how rare it is to have all the winning numbers fall onto one of the halfs.

                        These wheels are made to create the cheapest possible cover.  It is preferable to make an open cover to the same number of lines, where all the winning numbers don't have to fall onto one side or the other to win."

                         

                        worries me a little.  I find many wheels online for free -   how can I separate which wheels have been created by combining two smaller wheels so I can avoid them? Does covermaster or other wheeling programs use this method? This is a little confusing.

                         

                        Thank you,

                        Spy

                        There are full wheels, and then everything else is designed to save money on ticket purchases, in one way or the other.

                        • Do you want complete coverage of your numbers, and have a large budget?  Use a Full wheel.
                        • Are you the type who thinks that you can best determine what combinations of numbers should not be in the wheel?  Then use a filtered Full wheel.
                        • Are you the type who thinks that a specific number will be in the results?  Try a Key wheel.
                        • Are you the type who wants a specific guarantee of winning something, should certain numbers come out in the results?  Use an Abbreviated wheel.

                        It's that simple.

                        Every single wheel -- in fact every single ticket played with or without a wheel -- has a chance of winning the jackpot.  If one wheel or another is "better" is open to interpretation and opinion.  For example, Gail Howard has quotes from people on her site who won using her wheels, but many serious players in the lottery community don't like her wheels because they require too many combinations to be played in order to reach the guarantee.  So who's right?  I don't know -- it's up to you to decide.

                        By the way, if you want a Full wheel that skips combinations, Lottery Post's free Lottery Combinations Generator will help you out with that.  (I assume this is what you meant by "skip 4" and "skip 9" wheels.)

                         

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                          Hello to everyone,

                          I am new to lottery wheels and I would be gretaful if anyone could help me out.

                           

                          1) I am looking for a program that allows to import full or abbreviated wheels, exchange the pointers with my numbers of choosing anf then apply filters, i.e. sum, sequential numbers etc, to the lines created. Does such a program exist? I currently use covermaster but it lacks the 'exchange the pointers for my numbers' and filtering options.

                           

                          2) How and in what program can I create open cover wheels? Are these better than closed cover wheels?

                           

                          3) Does anyone know where I can find any 5/50 wheels?

                           

                          Best regards,

                          Spy

                          Wheels are Only as Good As the Numbers used in Creating the Wheel!

                          In Other Words: Wheels are Not Magic: They Don't Take Losing Numbers and Turn them into Winning Combinations!

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                            Welcome to the LP nasp......Thumbs Up

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                              "worries me a little.  I find many wheels online for free -   how can I separate which wheels have been created by combining two smaller wheels so I can avoid them? Does covermaster or other wheeling programs use this method? This is a little confusing."

                              The easy way to spot a split wheel is to see if you have a group of numbers that do not share combinations with another group of numbers making up the wheel.

                              Best way to avoid bad wheels, make them yourself using CoverMaster.  You can also copy and paste text wheels into CM and test them for coverage and distribution.

                              It would be highly unlikely a wheel made using CoverMaster would be a split wheel, however CM would have no problem making one if that's what your lottery strategy required.

                              People who make cover designs compete to make the tightest wheel to a specific design standard and a split wheel often uses fewer combinations to close the cover, then a lottery system seller sticks them in the product in order to claim you can play for less using their wheels, etc. 

                              BobP