Did Joan Ginther have a little help in her 4 lottery wins?

Reply #48

James1 — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:27:50 GMT

No 2 different guys won $10 Million and $1 Million on BDB, Marsh and that Hindu guy. and that guy Jody also won $10 Million on BDB and $3 Million on Monopoly. now tell me how the hell can there be 3 different people who each win 2 jackpots all within the same year ??? I dont think its luck man ......

Reply #47

ca-dreamin* — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:14:49 GMT

Haha ok joker....spit it out. We aren't talkin' Dancin' with the stars stuff are we

Reply #46

rdgrnr — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:11:42 GMT

I'm not sure what joker means by dancin' boys.

Whatever they are though, joker seems to like them.

But you'd have to ask him, I don't want to get into his personal business.

Reply #45

ca-dreamin* — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:08:05 GMT

I want to know what it is. LMAO Ok I need to laugh today was my last day on my route : ( The core team eliminated my route soooo tommorrow I get to do someone elses route : ( I'll take Ca on a 100 degree day anyday over another winter. LOL when I get back to CA I DON T even want to go up to Big Bear....if I NEVER see snow again.

Reply #44

ca-dreamin* — Sat, 13 Aug 2011 03:03:27 GMT

I want to know what's up with all this dancin boys??? I hate, hate, hate Chiiicago and last winter I actually got snowed in and couldn't go to work.

Is the dancin' boy referring to joker????? He's a hot chile pepper : ) LOL muy caliente papasito hahaha

Reply #43

rdgrnr — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:24:36 GMT

What's so bad about dancing boys anyways?

Nothing, I think they're fabulous.

You may like it...

I don't know what it is and I don't think I want to know.

Reply #42

joker17 — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:15:43 GMT

You just can't help yourself can you?

What's so bad about dancing boys anyways? You may like it If you were a little more open minded.

Reply #41

rdgrnr — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:32:45 GMT

The 'cold thing' is stayin in Chicago for another winter.

That's still gotta be better than dealin with all those dancin' boys out in Californy though, right

Reply #40

jimmy4164 — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 03:20:53 GMT

The Harpers article talks about ...how...she could have got inside info.

Nicholas Taleb talks about this phenomenon in Black Swan by pointing out that...

First, it [ a rare event] is an outlier, as it lies outside the realm of regular expectations, because nothing in the past can convincingly point to its possibility. Second, it carries an extreme impact. Third, in spite of its outlier status, human nature makes us concoct explanations for its occurrence after the fact, making it explain... [ More ]

Reply #39

ca-dreamin* — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:45:49 GMT

WoooHooo more incentive : ) I can't get there fast enough! On my way to Chicago I fell off the planet and landed somewhere else. This place is so not ca

Reply #38

ca-dreamin* — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:35:48 GMT

Ok I read the story and this just makes me go hmmm. I thought the article in the mag was an interview but from the link Todd posted it sounds more like one writers opinion. Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? Nooooo. And the store suddenly goes out of business? Hmmm! If anything selling those kind of winners would bring in more business. And the Lottery Commission doesn't suspect fowl play?? Double hmmm. Does this lady have nothing better to do

Reply #37

Stack47 — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:32:31 GMT

Of course this store selling 3 winning tickets that are all bought by the same person is far more unlikely, unless she's was buying a substantial percentage of all the tickets they were selling.

They were $50 tickets with 20 tickets to a bundle and she may have bought most or all of them. The store owner could have ordered extra bundles knowing she be there on vacation so the store sold a much higher percentage than average. I read somewhere the lottery holds back a couple of top prize ticke... [ More ]

Reply #36

joker17 — Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:19:17 GMT

Awesome....hurry...lol

The sky is always blue, cool in the morning, cool after sunset, no humidity, and it's in the low 80's....in August.....

Reply #35

jimmy4164 — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:56:52 GMT

A thought provoking analysis Floyd... I think you're right in tune with NT and will enjoy his Black Swan even more than FBR!

Possibly Maybe

By GREGG EASTERBROOK

Published: April 22, 2007

On the eve of the 2006 hurricane season, the National Hurricane Center forecast a hyperactive summer and fall, with eight to 10 Atlantic cyclones; instead there were five, smack on the 20th-century average. At the beginning of 2006, The Wall Street Journal forecast a bad year for stocks; the Dow Jon... [ More ]

Reply #34

ca-dreamin* — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:16:52 GMT

OMG LOL What's the cold thing? disappearing? I've been having fun learning to read Lenormand cards as well as learning about the soul and spirits and all that fun stuff : ) Ya know learning about all that fake psychic stuff. But I'm happy to say the ex is out of my system...I'm good and free and alive : ) And I'm working on getting back to CA

Reply #33

ca-dreamin* — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:10:02 GMT

AHAHAHA YES I noticed the L. A. (City of Angels : ) ) under your name : ) I'm jealous joker. I'm working on getting back myself and it's a ONE WAY ticket :) 'cause I'll NEVER come back to Chicago LOL And when I get there I'm looking you up : ) LOL notice the WHEN

Reply #32

skeptic — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:07:11 GMT

Hi James. Fruitland Park? Wasn't John Marsh the guy (whos photo is on the Florida Lottery BDB winners site) you are talking about who won the $1M and $10M on BDB within a year from - Port Charlotte ? Supposedly bought from the same gas station. How about the other guy in the PanHandle in a very small town who won two huge similar amounts I think within a year.

The Florida Lottery site says there are over 13,000 retailers in the state. Figure the odds of the above happening with all the books... [ More ]

Reply #31

diamondpalace — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:36:37 GMT

It's much easier to find loop holes in business practice than it is in lottery agrorythms.

Reply #30

KY Floyd — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 05:30:32 GMT

How many tickets does that store sell, and have they sold other winners worth $1 million or more? From what I see it seems that only a small percentage of stores sell tickets worth that much, so I'd want to know the independent odds of the store selling each winner first.

As a fairly wild guess I'll figure that there are about 100 winners per year of $1 million or more. If there are 2000 retailers a store selling an average number of tickets would have a 5% chance of selling such a winner. If... [ More ]

Reply #29

rdgrnr — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:04:44 GMT

Hey Sweet Thang, how you is?

You bout to do the cold thing again this winter?

I figgered you'd be back with the pretty boys in the land of fruits and nuts by now.

Don't fergit to tell all them mailmans up there that you still in my stable now, hear

Reply #28

joker17 — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:48:07 GMT

What up?

I finally made it to cali 6 days ago.....Never looking back...Love it..

Reply #27

James1 — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:45:18 GMT

A gas station in Fruitland Park, Fl (middle of nowhere) sold 2 winning tickets in 1 year to the same guy ! 1 for $10 Million and the other for $1 Million. even more strange is they where from the same game (Billion Dollar Blockbuster)

Ginther's case is not unique as it does happen but you cant rule out the possibility that these people had inside info. its just too bizarre.

Reply #26

tiggs95 — Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:35:11 GMT

Hey ca-dreamin*good to see you back and hope all is well...

Reply #25

ca-dreamin* — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:33:05 GMT

oh boy forgot to include the post. Hi tiggs and joker too

Reply #24

ca-dreamin* — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:30:41 GMT

just popped in an saw this post. Hi Master : ) Last time I was here you were missing in action.

Reply #23

Raven62 — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:34:24 GMT

Then Again: It's Just the Scratch-Off God: Balancing Out the Results of the Game

Reply #22

Raven62 — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:27:18 GMT

A Small Sly Elf...

Reply #21

Raven62 — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:22:37 GMT

Suppositions are like Suppositories: Use in case of Constipation...

Reply #20

dallascowboyfan — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:29:03 GMT

Wow!!!! Ridge I din't know the store went out business thanks for the info, I agree something does seem strange....

Reply #19

Delta Draw — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:05:08 GMT

Hmmm. A

store closed. Wonder why. She had enough money to camp on his doorstep and buy

every book every day for many days.

What if it is a hoax? What if they knew this woman was buying books of scratchers and put

the winners there to imply there is a breach? Or, what if the way they

distribute them insures a big winner will be distributed where demand requires

it?

The more books she bought, the more they had to restock. Could it be simply a matter of

timing to know when i... [ More ]

Reply #18

imagine — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:29:20 GMT

I included a summary of the the article that I read on this thread.

Thanks Todd.

Reply #17

joker17 — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:25:46 GMT

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it's an even distribution method. But having said that, just like anything that involves random events, a cluster can occur, thus making it look bias. It's rare but it does happen.

I learned this from my Koycerin wagering method. It talks about RNDs, or Random Number Displacement. The clusters are similar to RNDs, but in this case with this lady, it's a more extreme example of an RND occuring on a larger basis, and more rare. RNDs in everyday events happen mor... [ More ]

Reply #16

Texas Joey — Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:53:34 GMT

God Bless Texas!! There is loads of luck here!! No PHD needed

Reply #15

sully16 — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:25:35 GMT

I wonder who made the decision to send the tickets to that store.

Reply #14

tiggs95 — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 21:53:58 GMT

Leave the lady alone ...dr65 has spoken..:):):)...Well said!!..

Reply #13

B$Rizzle — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 20:29:51 GMT

It is pretty rare, however the Publix right by my house has already had 3 x $250K winners in the past 4 years. Some of the other grocers around my house have not had a sinlge Top Prize. It definitely can happen.

Hard to believe, but it happens

Reply #12

dr65 — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 20:25:35 GMT

'tiggs has spoken'

lol tiggs! I like it!

I believe there is a certain manipulation going on if only of the pre-draws. I think that's cheating in itself.

I don't know what all the hooplah is about the lady in Texas..I think that if she were cheating somehow

or had an advantage...wouldn't she have cheated a little more often? And besides, I read in the other

story that 3 of her big wins were from scratch offs...heck, I could probably make that happened if I

really wanted to... [ More ]

Reply #11

Todd — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:07:06 GMT

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/235095

Reply #10

tiggs95 — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:01:10 GMT

And there is at least one loser in every state..Guess who it is in Tenn....:)...DING DING DING!!!..We have a winner...

Reply #9

rdgrnr — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 16:57:50 GMT

Anybody who thinks lottery games have never been fixed should invest in some ocean front property in Palookaville, Kentucky.

Reply #8

tiggs95 — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 16:50:42 GMT

If people think the lottery is cheating them they should then quit and don't get involved..After they win millions they'll say the lottery is the best thing ever then if they lose all there money the'll blame someone else or the lottery..tiggs has spoken...

Reply #7

rdgrnr — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 16:37:56 GMT

Yes, it does seem a little strange for a little store in a little town in the middle of nowhere that then goes out of business.

Reply #6

GASMETERGUY — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 16:00:58 GMT

Does not anyone find the fact that the same store recieved 3 winning scratch-off's kind of peculiar? I do.

Reply #5

Jon D — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 04:54:15 GMT

I saw the Forbes article, and I actually believe it is possible:

http://blogs.forbes.com/kiriblakeley/2011/07/21/meet-the-luckiest-woman-in-the-world/

Once she won the first jackpot, she was in a good position to win the other 3: Once you have money, its a lot easier to make more money. And the more you play, the more you win.

There definitely seems to be a somewhat regular interval for the release of top prizes for scratch games. I also try to buy more when the game is hot but my metho... [ More ]

Reply #4

imagine — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:19:57 GMT

Yes inside info on the scratchers only.

I don't really know what inside info they could get from the owner, but the article is supposed to prove it's possible.

I imagine the inside info would take a math wiz to crack.

Reply #3

imagine — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:13:41 GMT

You can buy a single copy subscription 6.99.

I'm old fashion, headed to the book store tomorrow. I'm curious what it says.

Reply #2

joker17 — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:09:06 GMT

The Harpers article talks about how with help from the store owner she could have got inside info.

The week the article was to go to print, the store suddenly closed.

I'm assuming you mean inside info for the scratchers only. Also, how would the owner know which scratcher would be a winner?, because If he/she knew, they'd keep that info to themself, then find a trusting friend to cash it in and keep most of the profits.

Reply #1

joker17 — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:04:11 GMT

You need to purchase a subscription to read the article.

Did Joan Ginther have a little help in her 4 lottery wins?

imagine — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 01:50:52 GMT

The current issue of Harpers magazine has an article on Joan Ginther.

Joan Ginther holds a math Ph. D. from Stanford. The new article goes on to examine how she could have beat the system.

I haven't read it but it sounds interesting. Single issues of the magazine are available online.

There are a couple articles in Google news, that talk a little bit more about it.

Sorry can't seem to post a link.

The Harpers article talks about how with help from the store owner she could... [ More ]