How do you determine if a system is worth buying?

Reply #65

Lucky Loser — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:12:14 GMT

it takes money, to make money .

Yes, and when I said that, I didn't mean the player has to be rich. It simply means that a bankroll is required to start which complements a good system. A good, efficient approach will allow the player to hit within 2-3 plays and this is why the bankroll is required. In the event that the first or second play fails, the third should be dead on. Actually, when enough combos are played, the second play should be a hit. I told people a long time ago to just save... [ More ]

Reply #64

New York — Wed, 29 Jan 2014 06:40:14 GMT

You're right. I see where you're coming from. I agree with the cliche it takes money, to make money .

See, most people are in the hole. No offense to no one, but if a LP is playing everyday, and making no profits or the original investment, they should stop.

But! They don't! They keep going. When they do win though, they don't factor in the investment loss. It's quite sad. Spending $60 a day, for a week, only to win once out that week. They're at an all time loss! It'll take at least... [ More ]

Reply #63

Lucky Loser — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:29:18 GMT

This depends on one more factor that's missing and it's the 'other number'. If he spent $150K and made $70K in profit, then he had to gross $220Kor better to finish at the$70K after taxes etc. Having all the numbers available is the most important factor when discussing anything...especially in lottery games. I can stress enough that there are individuals that actually get it when it comes to that old true and faithful cliche... it takes money to make money.

The numbers in the post above are... [ More ]

Reply #62

Lucky Loser — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:38:34 GMT

I agree with this statement and especially with the no system part on jackpots. This is as far as the common person playing only, though. With enough money, though, and the right people workin' the numbers, it can and HAS been done many times. It seems that when the numbers fall into succession, as they often do, they're considered bad numbers and I'm not sure why.

L.L.

Reply #61

rdgrnr — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 02:07:07 GMT

100% absolutely right.

Reply #60

lucky 4moola — Tue, 28 Jan 2014 01:23:33 GMT

Jackpot-wise there's no system, all lines are equally probable. The line 1-2-3-4-5 PB:6 has the same odds of coming out like the last PB line: 8-12-18-55-57 PB: 2 (on 1/25/14).

Reply #59

Stack47 — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:22:33 GMT

Every once in awhile more players play the same three digit number and the lottery loses money that day. Triples are usually sold out in lotteries with aggregated limits almost everyday so an extraordinary number of triples drawn could hurt a lottery's bottom line like what happened in Kentucky.

You must understand that the house always wins!

KY paid out 97% of sales in prizes for an entire month and it had a small effect on the yearly pick-3 profit. The thing is, even for that one month... [ More ]

Reply #58

One-Day — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:12:35 GMT

Those who can, do; those who can't, teach...

Reply #57

Lucky Loser — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:34:11 GMT

Reply #56

LottoBux — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:00:17 GMT

Setting The Trap Knowing When To Pounce,lol.

The Correct Timing Can Pay Great Dividends.

Reply #55

Lucky Loser — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:58:39 GMT

Okay, thanks for setting things straight. I see the workout and all but, I like to see the money, too. I was hoping to see the tickets as well. Nevermind, though...keep doing what you do and best of continued success!!

L.L.

Reply #54

Lucky Loser — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:51:16 GMT

Check baby check baby, 1,2,3,4...check baby check baby, 1,2,3...check baby check baby, 1,2...check baby check baby 1...

You must understand that the house always wins! There is no way to strategically bet with out coming out on the bottom.

Correction, the house always wins at some point...and there are ways to strategically bet without coming out on bottom all the time. If you continue thinking in the terms that you do, you'll never figure out how to extend yourself a better way to p... [ More ]

Reply #53

mjwinsmith — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:48:16 GMT

Seems YOU missed the point, the numbers that I posted as an example (Florida 9-6-8) were for the state of Florida ONLY, state specific and not for all states.

I did a Work Out for the state game and got the exact number and draw order to play for that state game. Go back and check the prediction boards to see.

We were lucky enough that all things fell for us and we nailed it straight for Florida, and only Florida and not ALL STATES.

In case you missed the post to this thread here is jus... [ More ]

Reply #52

Lucky Loser — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:30:34 GMT

Your prediction statistics prove you can win often if you're willing to spend enough.

This I know...full well. Stats only tell me that winning numbers were put out there, scattered among the states, and one or two managed to hit in some form at some point. How does the player know when to play the numbers in question? Maybe I'm still missing something here, or, maybe no one wants to show off the goods. I really just wanted to see some winning tickets from either source...you know, show me the... [ More ]

Reply #51

mjwinsmith — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:21:35 GMT

None taken.

Reply #50

JonnyBgood07 — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:31:36 GMT

absolutely... and no disrespect intended.I always thought it was a rumor people bought 'general' anywhere -landing picks is all

Reply #49

mjwinsmith — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:26:07 GMT

To each his/her own

Reply #48

JonnyBgood07 — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:19:37 GMT

I didn't mean I wanted in your 'club'..I mean I should start charging for picks

Reply #47

onlymoney — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:01:52 GMT

Thanks for the kind words.

Strange thing, just about everyone who flies on Commercial jets feels somewhat comfortable doing so, because the odds of encountering a life threating event during the flight is extremely rare. Funny how most people adhere to those facts with no complaints, yet when the 99.9 rule is written, it's a troll who follows threads to annoy. Silly people. lol

You can't pick and choose which facts to believe in.

Reply #46

New York — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 06:11:11 GMT

No problem! It's refreshing to see new ideas and thoughts

Reply #45

onlymoney — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 06:05:54 GMT

No reason to be forgiven, you did nothing wrong. You replied to a post in a thread.

As for the rest of the stuff you wrote, I can't understand it.

So you have a friend who lives in the mountains? And some guy named frost sleeps with an I ? I don't get it. lol

Reply #44

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Reply #43

onlymoney — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 05:58:00 GMT

You have no idea how refreshing it is to see someone write so intelligently. Thank you for getting it. I'm not looking for pats on the back, but I have to say that either you are a rare breed on LP, or amongst many others who are lurking and don't feel it's their time to speak out publicly in agreement with me. I write this because i can't think of any normal rich human who would lose money on a regular basis unless they are deranged.

I feel like a new man.

I'm not smart, just inquisitive... [ More ]

Reply #42

New York — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 05:48:06 GMT

Lol, those people are paranoid, no offense. How is that a marketing scheme? Wow!

OM, I admit you're very intelligent and know what you say. You influenced me as well to buy his pick 4 version. I haven't yet but I wanna buy it soon. The numbers seem to fall nicely and a player can make nice pair plays from his groups.

You also nailed the pick 3 in Florida with 131 hours before the draw.

But yeah, just keep doing your thing. Forget about all these people who doubt and criticize.... [ More ]

Reply #41

onlymoney — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 05:39:06 GMT

#2, some here proposed it was a marketing scheme. lol. I won't mention names, they know who they are. Those people obviously failed Economics 101. lol

I support pierre. I've been writing about him for a long time now. Below in the link is a thread from that debate. Hardly a debate. It was like taking candy away from a baby. lol

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/270812/6

Reply #40

New York — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 05:34:29 GMT

1. No. Why would anybody spend $150,000 to make 70 grand? That's no profit and you're in the hole. You are definitely getting beat by the house .

2. I really don't quite understand question 2. But in my interpretation, that makes no marketing sense? No business is interested in not making money. They wanna make money of course.

3. He definitely isn't a psycho. He's not in it for entertainment and feels happy giving away free money to a 7-11 clerk. This mans' main goal is to win money... [ More ]

Reply #39

onlymoney — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 05:34:13 GMT

And the hypothesis I made is the best to date. All others I've seen written here on LP are not just rediculous, but alarming considering most LP members aren't idiots.

So you're a diamond in the ruff. Finally someone gets it. phew!. I thought it's so obvious most would agree.

Reply #38

onlymoney — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 05:21:19 GMT

It's not a rant. It's a response to a post in a thread.

Why is it when I bring up facts or blow illogical theories out of the water, my responses suddenly turn into rants, or being labeled as a nuisance? Does truth threaten your paradigm?

I can't speak for others, but I'd rather be disappointed knowing the truth, than fooling myself continually. Anyone who overlooks the truth just to pacify their fear of the truth is weak. Sorry If that sounds harsh, but It had to be written. If fear isn... [ More ]

Reply #37

psykomo — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 05:12:16 GMT

OM:

please don't go off on a 1 2 3 KEEK warm

Reply #36

maringoman — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 05:12:03 GMT

I have to agree, he must be doing somethng right but without evidence and additional information then all we can do is hypothesize.

Reply #35

onlymoney — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 05:04:14 GMT

1.Would you continually spend an educated guess of about 150 grand a year to make 70, for five years?

2: If his intention is to hopefully sell a dozen copies after five years, with a system that's buried in between many others, do you think that makes marketing sense? He should be put away for being the rich and mentally unstable human with a glutton for punishment.

3. If he's doing it for entertainment knowing full well he's losing money, don't you think he would do it in style, like in V... [ More ]

Reply #34

maringoman — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 04:52:07 GMT

I would have to see how much they spend to win that $70,000 before giving them the credit.

Reply #33

onlymoney — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 04:49:23 GMT

At least one person has gained an edge. An average of 70 grand a year gross for the last five years.

There have been many humans who solved complex problems and also continue to create with math, but they're not perfect. According to the math workout, a Bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly.

Meteoroligists would be out of a job if certain patterns didn't exist within the chaotic weather cycles.

Commodity brokers wouldn't be buying that fourth house.

Just because most people haven't fig... [ More ]

Reply #32

maringoman — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 04:49:23 GMT

I hear you Psyko. They want tenure so that they can stop working. What I am saying though is if there was a way to exploit the lottery, they would have figured it out and took advantage of it and retire.

Reply #31

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Reply #30

maringoman — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 04:15:32 GMT

If there was a way of giving the player an edge over the house non of those Calculus Professors would be working so hard to get tenured. But people in LP will believe what they will.

Reply #29

New York — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 04:14:39 GMT

No offense, I don't even understand your system .

How do you use it? Take a pair chart and cross out the ones that hit?

I see you include a lot of colors in your pairs that make no sense to me.

I mean, I'm not trying to discredit you but half the stuff on LP about systems make no sense to me.

I'm reading hieroglyphics when I read systems from the past and present. It hurts my head trying to figure it out.

And what's worst, there's a new system posted everyday that m... [ More ]

Reply #28

RJOh — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 03:44:44 GMT

Your prediction statistics prove you can win often if you're willing to spend enough.

mjwinsmith: Statistics Summary

Summary

Statistic Current Month Last Month Current Year Last Year Lifetime

Picks 93,880 108,145 93,880 1,227,872 10,647,268

Hits 553 638 553 7,653 47,380

Hit Ratio 0.59% 0.59% 0.59% 0.62% 0.44%

Winnings $35,068 $57,698 $35,068 $687,507 $5,280,659

Prize Ratio 37.35% 53.35% 37.35% 55.99% 49.60%

Notes:

The Prize Ratio is based on the a... [ More ]

Reply #27

Jordans121 — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 02:51:46 GMT

Thanks for confirming my point. Its nice to know that you are apart of the 1%. Bye.

Reply #26

mike27 — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 02:46:57 GMT

well then i dont know what world you live in...

Maybe a hardlucked one...

Gambling is design for the rich and wealthy...

its an entertainment for me...

the poor should not gamble...

Bottomline...

Reply #25

Jordans121 — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 02:43:29 GMT

You must understand that the house always wins! There is no way to strategically bet with out coming out on the bottom.

Reply #24

Coin Toss — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 02:28:03 GMT

Just making sure you knew, a lot of people don't.

Reply #23

mjwinsmith — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 02:25:53 GMT

Yeah, and your point is

Reply #22

Coin Toss — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 02:22:41 GMT

mjwinsmith,

Just checking but you do know that Iowa uses Illinois' numbers for Pick 3 and Pick 4, right

Reply #21

mjwinsmith — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 02:22:14 GMT

It sure does, here are results from Monday, January 20, 2014 for the state of Connecticut;

mjwinsmith Connecticut Play 3 Day 6-Way Box 8-7-4 7-4-8 $40

mjwinsmith Connecticut Play 3 Day 6-Way Box 8-4-7 7-4-8 $40

mjwinsmith Connecticut Play 3 Day Straight + 6-Way Box 7-4-8 7-4-8 $290

mjwinsmith Connecticut Play 3 Day 6-Way Box 7-8-4 7-4-8 $40

mjwinsmith Connecticut Play 3 Day 6-Way Box 7-8-4 7-4-8 $40

mjwinsmith Connecticut Play 3 Day 6-Way Box 7-8-4 7-4-8 $40

Reply #20

mike27 — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 02:17:35 GMT

So Now for me to have the Floor....

never Posted here but always read what is said daily....

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I am a Numerical Wizard....

The Lotto is my life...

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Now the Topic here is ..

How do you determine if a System is Worth Buying...

Well then...

To Make a Long Story Short....

I've created a system Like Non other...

Y... [ More ]

Reply #19

JonnyBgood07 — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 01:44:08 GMT

snip ...if folks are buying general picks that could land anywhere then I want in.

I didn't know this place rolled like that

This post has been automatically changed by the Lottery Post computer system to remove inappropriate content and/or spam.

Reply #18

mjwinsmith — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 01:29:51 GMT

Today, Sunday, January 26, 2014 I had a hit from one of my Hot Pick-3 Quick Nickel selections, if fell for US in the state of Illinois and Iowa;

mjwinsmith Illinois Pick 3 Midday 6-Way Box 6-7-5 7-6-5 $40

mjwinsmith Illinois Pick 3 Midday 6-Way Box 6-7-5 7-6-5 $40

mjwinsmith Illinois Pick 3 Midday 6-Way Box 5-6-7 7-6-5 $40

mjwinsmith Illinois Pick 3 Midday 6-Way Box 5-6-7 7-6-5 $40

mjwinsmith Illinois Pick 3 Midday 6-Way Box 5-6-7 7-6-5 $40

mjwinsmith Illinois P... [ More ]

Reply #17

Lucky Loser — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:47:12 GMT

I agree with most of what you say here. However, there are certain things to look for when posting a winning ticket from online that proves it's legit. No one should be posting bank statements just to prove anything...that's just silly. As far as spending enough money to win consistently, you're dead on and it's the 'balance' that keeps you from spending too much in relation to the wins and consistency.

I call what you've described here an 'upside down profit' whereas you can hit pretty much... [ More ]

Reply #16

duckman — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:30:28 GMT

How do you determine if a system is worth buying?

If it is advertised as a system , it's not worth buying...

As for photos of bank balances, checks, and other documents, it's very easy to fake it these days with photoshop like programs.

It is also easy to win consistently, if you spend enough money, usually you spend much more than you win...

Reply #15

Lucky Loser — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:14:02 GMT

What would be good is if you could discuss the efficiency of your system...all the how's should be covered in this case. How many numbers are required to get the hit, how are they played, how much does it cost to play 'em, how long before a hit takes place, and how is the type of hit determined. All the answers will reflect real time profits or deficits in this case. I'm not necessarily doubting your capabilities, but it would be both cool and convincing if at least a couple of people could post... [ More ]

Reply #14

mjwinsmith — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:27:26 GMT

If I hit using that system and won more than the cost of the system, then yes I would buy that system.

I have an example, my system produced a win in the Florida Pick-3 on Saturday, January 25, 2014. The winning number was 9-6-8 and my Work Out for the day gave me 9-6-8. All of the members who got the Work Out from me hit the number straight. I posted the number to the prediction boards right here on the Lottery Post:

mjwinsmith Florida Cash 3 Midday 6-Way Box 9-8-6 9-6-8 $40

Reply #13

aquariuslottery — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 06:52:05 GMT

Unfortunately, lottery software sellers do not reveal their system's real life simulations or evaluations to demonstrate what the software is capable of doing and how good it is (or can be) in predicting winners. Without this, no matter how appealing the system appears you always buy a cat in a bag. For me a decent Pick 3 prediction system should have the following features:

1. Be based on actually drawn numbers.

2. Provide at least several statistical methods for predicting future numbers... [ More ]

Reply #12

sully16 — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 12:28:34 GMT

If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is.

Create your own system, takes time and hold on to your cash until you get good at it.

Reply #11

Lucky Loser — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:04:15 GMT

In my opinion, the player must first be able to sufficiently identify with what the developer is explaining in their system in terms of why it must work. Every player sees something different from the next because all have different levels of understanding math in general and this is most of the problem. If the player can't fully interpret what to do, when to do it, why to do it, and how, then the system will always be a failure. Then, there's the money aspect which is the biggest problem of 'em... [ More ]

Reply #10

Stack47 — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 05:15:34 GMT

A good system probably involves an identifiable anomaly in the drawing statistics. It's more likely such a system would be for digit number games like pick- 3, pick-4 and possibly pick-5.

Predicting a random event(winning lottery numbers) is almost impossible

That depends on how close the random event is to the probability. I wouldn't give a pick-3 system that never included one of the digits from the previous drawing much credibility. I only know of one jackpot game system for a 5/37 ga... [ More ]

Reply #9

Stack47 — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 04:45:10 GMT

The problem isn't the $9.99 fraud, it's how much money you burn trying to win with it.

IMO the biggest problem with some of the systems we see on LP is the cost of play because most are daily play and with tweaking (add 1 and subtract 1, use mirrors, flip the 6 and 9, play straight/box, and yada yada yada) if all the combos are played, a box win can't cover the bet.

I was given a system for free and hit a pick-3 number straight on my first bet. But it was a spot play system and the same b... [ More ]

Reply #8

KY Floyd — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:20:56 GMT

What would be the determining factor when deciding to purhcase?

Is it free? If not they're charging more than it's worth.

Reply #7

RJOh — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:08:54 GMT

Any system or program that does what you want it to do is worth buying if you can afford it, but first you have decide what you need it to do to help you win. Predicting a random event(winning lottery numbers) is almost impossible but some players think if they know certain facts from previous drawings then it's easier so you'll probably want a program/system that provide that information for you.

Reply #6

butch2030 — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:12:15 GMT

Even if it was an actual receipt - was it his/her receipt???? Many times people are in a hurry - they take their money leave the receipt behind. Either in the machine or in the waste basket next to the machine. Don't believe everything you see.

Reply #5

YellowSpoon — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:51:17 GMT

Ask yourself this question: If a system is good, they why are they selling it

Reply #4

onlymoney — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 03:13:23 GMT

Reply #3

helpmewin — Thu, 23 Jan 2014 03:03:57 GMT

How do you determine if a system is worth buying?

The best thing to do is try them for yourself.

Reply #2

haymaker — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:37:59 GMT

I would never buy a system, I can't recall any of the big JP winners saying they had a system.

that ATM receipt would be easy to fake, and just a way to get your confidence !

Also, only an idiot would keep over $300,000.00 in a checking acct.

Reply #1

BobP — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:37:55 GMT

You never really know what you're looking at. Every time I think it has to be one of two things it turns out there was a third option. Who knows, maybe this guy started with a million and after hard work on his system has $300,000. left. Look, if the system worked, if it was a winner, he would NOT be selling it.

The problem isn't the $9.99 fraud, it's how much money you burn trying to win with it.

Part of the lure of these systems is, What is it? If reasonably priced you pay your $9.... [ More ]

How do you determine if a system is worth buying?

needinghelp — Wed, 22 Jan 2014 18:52:35 GMT

If you have purchased a system or have considered purchasing a system ...What would be the determining factor when deciding to purhcase? I saw an ad for a winning system posted online and there was an ATM withdrawal receipt posted to boost claims the system works. This person supposedly has been winning and has a bank account of over $300,000. This looks fake to me but you never know.