Can Lottery Ball Machines Cheat - Be RIGGED ?

Reply #22

bigbear29 — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:56:13 GMT

Yes, I still play, but I too feel that there is something that is not right with the big games.

Reply #21

eddessaknight — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:45:48 GMT

First a short but sincere note of thanks to destinycreation lucky loser, et al- for their most illuminating contributing posts, on what is conventionally trusted as a virgin FAIRGAME.

I am adding my humble but experinced 2 cents worth in confirmation:

Players might have already had winning numbers: HOW DO YOU KNOW???

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

~WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE / The Tagedy of Hamlet Act 1. Scene V

Reply #20

Lucky Loser — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:39:53 GMT

It sounds like they are trying to control things to me.

I absolutely agree with this and here's my supporting argument: When you really, really think about what the lotteries do in terms of posting the winning combination, their whole purpose seems to be to thwart any such system from being successful. See, when they post the winning number, that's only an illusion. Why? Because whether they do a post-test draw or the regular 4-5 pre-tests draws before the next official draw, the player... [ More ]

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grwurston — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 03:56:05 GMT

Well, he did say it was the industry standard. He is still a member here, perhaps you could ask him. He is with the Kentucky Lottery, so I guess he would know.

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noise-gate — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 03:48:40 GMT

Perhaps they pull that sort of thing in Kentucky. As for the rest of the country- it will not stand.By the way is Chip still in his current job- playing fast and loose with Kentucky's lottery player's?

Has Chip been promoted since you intercepted this transmission

Reply #17

grwurston — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 03:22:12 GMT

Yes, the drawings can be rigged. Check out this link. It sounds like they are trying to control things to me. Chip is with the Kentucky lottery.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/251527/2738281

In this second link I raised that question. I never got a response.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/251527/2740355

Reply #16

JonnyBgood07 — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:47:58 GMT

.....as for P3, I get lost around the concept of of predraws..yeah sure ok to see if the machine functions bla blah

But why aren't they testing with blank balls before the draws?..if all the balls reasonably weigh the same(and that has been established prior to the draw by such moderators),then I believe they should save the numbered balls for the live draw.

Even for the lottery to imply they want to skew up any potential patterns,what patterns would they be referring to?Surely there must... [ More ]

Reply #15

noise-gate — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:06:57 GMT

Agreed. There was a piece on Youtube awhile ago showing how the machines are tested prior to a PB/MM drawing, apparently no one knows in advance which one is going to be used that evening, it was a pretty insightful piece.l recall the person testing some of the machines saying Every person has just as much a chance of winning as the next person in possession of a lottery ticket .

That was good enough for me.

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bluerain — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 23:53:59 GMT

I HAVE BEEN PLAYING PICK 3 FOR 35YRS JERSY,AND BASCICALLY IT BOILS DOWN TO THIS, I PLAY MAINLY DOUBLES EASEIR TO TRACK THERE ARE ONLY 10 DOUBLES, I TRACK ALL THE DIGITS EVERYDAY IN EACH POSITION,,,, MIDDAY AND EVENING, AND ALSO TRACK EACH DIGIT IN COMBINED GAME, I USE PAST HISTORY OF THE DOUBLES,HOW LONG EACH DOUBLE DID NOT SHOW,, I CHART EACH DIGIT LAST HIT HOW LONG OUT IN EACH GAME MIDDAY EVE, AND COMBINED GET THE PIC? EVERY DAY EACH GAME AND COMBINED, I CHECK THE PAST 14 DRAWS HOW THE DIGITS

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Lucky Loser — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:31:22 GMT

What concerns me is the number of pre draws. Are they consistent in every draw? If not, what is it that they are looking for?

My point(s) exactly. This is also why I geared up my response towards all the rigamarole they go through just to draw 'X' number of balls for a winning combination to be posted. Let's take a look at the casinos at how they 'roll'...literally. Roulette...they don't spin the table 4-5 times before allowing the ball to land. Craps...he or she doesn't throw the dice o... [ More ]

Reply #12

maringoman — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:15:57 GMT

Can Lottery Ball Machines Cheat - Be RIGGED ?

NO. I believe them when they say that they audit the balls and weigh them and the draw room is under high surveilance blah blah blah

What concerns me is the number of pre draws. Are they consistent in every draw? If not, what is it that they are looking for

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chrissy16 — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:22:57 GMT

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Jon D — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:21:05 GMT

To have a decent conspiracy theory, we need a legitimate reason why any state lottery would cheat and take the chance of killing their cash cow.

You've hit the nail on the head there. We see threads of people complaining all the time about rigged draws, and about the lottery intentionally drawing least picked combos and creating rollovers, etc. Now that has got the be the absolte WORST REASON EVER to commit fraud in the lottery, just so the lottery can get a little more profit!?

For one t... [ More ]

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bigbear29 — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:20:03 GMT

I agree, it does not appear to be truly random. I see people saying why would the lottery rig the game? I say, why would Wall St. rig their trading/funds, GREED! I believe anything can be rigged. If you watch the powerball drawing on tv, can you say that the balls are picked from that big bowl of balls, no. You can not see that, all you see is the balls being lifted.

See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDv9nGUhmL4

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chrissy16 — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:16:19 GMT

Majority of the drawings are conducted just the way it is depicted in this NC Lottery video. As you can see, the balls are totally protected and have been examined. Moreover, alot of them have excellent Internal Control of the process, meaning no one ever has dual jobs in the Lottery.. If something like this was to occur, it is more likely that it would come from a rouge employee. I don't don't think anyone once to be charged of a felony.

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Stack47 — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:04:50 GMT

A better way of rigging has nothing to do with tampering with the balls or machine, but involves WHEN the wager is placed, such as placing a wager AFTER the draw has been completed.

It's possible a lottery could past post once a month (maybe to make their monthly payroll?), but it's much easier to take the money from the unclaimed prize fund. To have a decent conspiracy theory, we need a legitimate reason why any state lottery would cheat and take the chance of killing their cash cow.

The... [ More ]

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CDanaT — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:40:21 GMT

RCB, I have to concur with your statement. I respect the poster of this thread and Lucky's statement as well. We will always have doubt in anything that is done/created by mankind. There are ALWAYS those folks that are going to express conspiracy to anything, especially with money !...and I respect that right to do so....There does come a time where you have to reasonably believe that something is created, without malice or without intentional deception for the purpose of providing an ending neu... [ More ]

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Jon D — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:34:30 GMT

Yeah, the Triple Six Fix is well known among lottery players. But it's also an ameteurish and ultimately a fail as far as a rigged lottery draw goes.

This whole deal about carefully calibrated machines, weighed and measured balls, etc., is just smoke and mirrors. It's a red herring. Only an amateur would try and rig the draw this way.

A better way of rigging has nothing to do with tampering with the balls or machine, but involves WHEN the wager is placed, such as placing a wager AFTER the... [ More ]

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LottoMetro — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:17:52 GMT

The first thing losing players scream, It's rigged! The truth is, there's no need for it to be rigged. The odds do their job taking your money.

I know I'm spitting in the wind on this, but the whole point of pre-tests is to make sure the ball sets and machine are performing randomly. Sure it would be great to just start up the machine and have a go, but not if someone has sneaked in there and swapped out the balls. Right? The lottery uses outside contractors for their balls and machines, and... [ More ]

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mrcraft — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:13:53 GMT

It's been done before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Pennsylvania_Lottery_scandal

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rcbbuckeye — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:10:13 GMT

Well.......

using just a little common sense.....

just for fun, take a look at the odds of any game, especially any jackpot game.

With odds we are playing at, they don't need to rig anything.

But....... to each his own.......conspiracy.

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Lucky Loser — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:57:12 GMT

He he...I hear and know exactly what you're sayin'. To be very honest, I'm gonna say the same thing I've said about this for years after I learned of all the protocols and failsafes they use just to draw three (or more in the case of larger games) balls. The lotteries purchase their ball sets from independent manufacturers and they're supposed to already be weighed/balanced, fully inspected, quality assured, and free of any defects which would cause any bias to a draw. This also applies to the m... [ More ]

Can Lottery Ball Machines Cheat - Be RIGGED ?

destinycreation — Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:14:57 GMT

In the back of my mind, I have never believed that the Lottery is random, particularly Ball Machines. It's just a funny feeling that I have, called my Deeper Intuition, that should NEVER BE IGNORED.

That being said, is it possible that these so called Random Ball Machines, can be Computerized without the public knowing it, in such a manner that the Ball Machine can somehow ATTRACT the balls that the hidden computer determines should be drawn.

Those balls would be the number combinations... [ More ]