For Fun- You purchase a PB ticket, but end up losing it, so you purchase another...

Reply #22

Artist77 — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 21:19:33 GMT

Noisegate, no finders keeps weepers losers. lol Losing a ticket is not intentional but discarding one is different.

But when you want to claim in a trust state, the rep. of the trust claims the money so I am 90% certain the trustee/attorney, etc. must have to sign the ticket since the check goes to the trust. I sure there is some verification...maybe the lottery officials speak with the ticket owner as well.

Reply #21

noise-gate — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 15:11:15 GMT

Now l did not know that Artist 77- Given the constant drumbeat of Sign your lottery ticket , l was under the impression that if you did not sign your ticket and it was lost, the person who found it qualifies as the Owner.

Reply #20

maringoman — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 01:38:17 GMT

lol not really. I know from logic that if you mistakenly lose something, the law has got to have an avenue for you to claim it back or there'd be chaos in society. It is the legal jargon that I didn't have. Now I do

Reply #19

Artist77 — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 01:30:41 GMT

lol I think you already knew that and are pulling my leg....lol.

Reply #18

RJOh — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 01:25:11 GMT

I've had a good feeling about most of the numbers that I've ever played and only come close to winning a jackpot twice in twenty years.

Reply #17

maringoman — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 01:17:16 GMT

Cool stuff this is

Reply #16

Artist77 — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 00:48:16 GMT

Fact pattern is a term used in the law. You justify a different outcome/decision based upon some fact being different/distinguishable from another case. It is how briefs are argued, etc.....so one can distinguish bad case law based on different facts.. that case holding was based upon different facts from my case your Honor so it should not apply here, etc.

Reply #15

maringoman — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 00:31:27 GMT

I never heard of fact pattern concept before, I'll be sure to read up on it. Hopefully I'll never need to rely on its tenets as far as my lottery tickets are concerned...hmmm I need to get me that rubber stamp

Reply #14

Artist77 — Fri, 08 Aug 2014 00:02:16 GMT

Impressive job HoLeeKau! There is a rebuttable presumption that someone who possesses it may be the owner but it quickly dissolves (in our fact pattern) when the true owner presents their evidence.

I think the only area in the law (where possession may/can trump owners rights) is regarding adverse possession of property which I always thought was kind of a crazy area of law (hold over from the common law...it is common in Europe).

Reply #13

Artist77 — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 23:56:36 GMT

MM, that is a different fact pattern. The person in MA intended to toss it away and made a mistake. I would find that same fact pattern up in the air also.

Reply #12

maringoman — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 23:06:38 GMT

I agree with you. I am no law expert but I will tell you about a related event that happened in MA. Some guy was buying and scratching lottery tickets and tossing the losers in the trash can. He must have missed a big winner because some guy who had made it his habit to jump into the trash can to check for tossed winners found it. He tried to claim it. The loser/unfortunate guy sued and the case dragged in the courts fo ever. I think it was settled out of court. You can read the story here https... [ More ]

Reply #11

HoLeeKau — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 22:49:08 GMT

Not true.

Possession is Nine Points of the Law Law Legal Definition

Possession means holding property in one s power or the exercise of dominion over property. By having possession one exercises control over something to the exclusion of all others.

The saying possession is nine points of the law is an old common law precept that means one who has physical control or possession over the property is clearly at an advantage or is in a better possession than a person who has no p... [ More ]

Reply #10

Artist77 — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 21:57:37 GMT

If you lose a ticket, it is not considered abandoned property legally. It is still your ticket. So I would have some problem with allowing someone to lie (in your scenario) and claim they bought it. As others mentioned, there are cameras, etc. so I think your ownership could be established without any long drawn out litigation. Remember the lottery officials are the initial decision makers here. Once they determined your ownership, of course the other guy could file a suit but a half way decent

Reply #9

noise-gate — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 20:43:04 GMT

You make a good point RJOH- but if you had a good feeling about those particular numbers that were on the ticket you lost, you would not hesitate to purchase them again... Far worse has been done.

Reply #8

noise-gate — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 20:22:30 GMT

True Coin Toss, however Helpmewin said it best, sign the ticket and you have nothing to worry about, something l forgot to add. The lost ticket would obviously be unsigned and since possession is said to be 9/10th of the law- one would have no claim to that ticket.

Reply #7

RJOh — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 19:32:46 GMT

If you know the numbers you played, where and when you brought them then there is no need to buy them again if you lose the tickets, if they win you simply make your claim and present your evidence.

The odds of losing a winning a ticket are about the same as buying a winning ticket so chances are buying them again is a waste of money.

Reply #6

maringoman — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:10:40 GMT

Now thats wassup

Reply #5

helpmewin — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:05:00 GMT

Sign your ticket and your life will be drama FREE

Reply #4

maringoman — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 17:51:51 GMT

I'm not a greedy man and I hate drama/courtroom circus so I'd just quietly wish them success with that money and go spend my catch.

Reply #3

Coin Toss — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 15:02:16 GMT

noise-gate,

There have been several stories about winners getting quizzed by lottery officials to verify they are the ones who bought the ticket.

How'd you get the numbers, what time did you play it, do you go there often? , etc.... and of course the surveillance cameras.

Reply #2

HoLeeKau — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 14:27:09 GMT

However since you lost it- it no longer belongs to you.

Just because you lose something doesn't mean it's not rightfully yours when it is found. I would definitely tell the attorney who is helping me claim my ticket about it. If you get on it quickly, there could be store security tape showing you buying the ticket. Maybe even knowing which store it was bought at could help you claim ownership.

If I do prevail and get the ticket back, if the finder isn't too obnoxious I'd probably giv... [ More ]

Reply #1

haymaker — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 12:51:46 GMT

The PB JP is big enough that I don't think I'd worry about it,

I,d be thinking that it would not have won had I not lost it, kind of a meant to be thing.

However if you ever lose a PB ticket you could just buy 2 or 3 more w/ same #s for insurance.

Wow, that's expensive insurance, no

For Fun- You purchase a PB ticket, but end up losing it, so you purchase another...

noise-gate — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 03:35:14 GMT

....with the same numbers at another location five blocks from the other store. Well come to find out later that evening- there are two winning tickets from your neck of the woods.

You immediately say to yourself l know that the other ticket has to be the one l purchased because l played the same numbers twice.

However since you lost it- it no longer belongs to you. Well it gets interesting: a person of interest comes forward to claim the other half of the JP with a ticket that was purchas... [ More ]