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noise-gate's avatar - images q=tbn:ANd9GcR91HDs4UJhjxO7cmeMQWZ5lB_FOcMLOGicau4V74R45tDgPWrr
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Posted: August 6, 2014, 11:35 pm - IP Logged

....with the same numbers at another location five blocks from the other store. Well come to find out later that evening- there are two winning tickets from your neck of the woods.

You immediately say to yourself " l know that the other ticket has to be the one l purchased" because l played the same numbers twice.

However since you lost it- it no longer belongs to you. Well it gets interesting: a " person of interest" comes forward to claim the other half of the JP with a ticket that was purchased at the very same store you originally bought it at.This person ends up having a press conference and goes off about how they used their kids birthday, baptism and so forth and so on numbers and you saying to yourself " What a liar!".

Question: When you eventually " come forward or not" would you refute the claims of the other winner or simply say to yourself " whatever floats your boat"- at least l got half of the pie? 

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    Posted: August 7, 2014, 8:51 am - IP Logged

    The PB JP is big enough that I don't think I'd worry about it,

    I,d be thinking that it would not have won had I not lost it, kind of a meant to be thing.

     

     However if you ever lose a PB ticket you could just buy 2 or 3  more w/ same #s for insurance.

    Wow, that's expensive insurance, no ?

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      Posted: August 7, 2014, 10:27 am - IP Logged

      However since you lost it- it no longer belongs to you.

       

      Just because you lose something doesn't mean it's not rightfully yours when it is found.  I would definitely tell the attorney who is helping me claim my ticket about it.  If you get on it quickly, there could be store security tape showing you buying the ticket.  Maybe even knowing which store it was bought at could help you claim ownership.

      If I do prevail and get the ticket back, if the finder isn't too obnoxious I'd probably give them a finder's fee - 100K or so.  If they piss me off, I'd have no qualms leaving them with nothing.

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        Posted: August 7, 2014, 11:02 am - IP Logged

        noise-gate,

        There have been several stories about winners getting quizzed by lottery officials to verify they are the ones who bought the ticket.

        "How'd you get the numbers, what time did you play it, do you go there often?", etc.... and of course the surveillance cameras.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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          Posted: August 7, 2014, 1:51 pm - IP Logged

          I'm not a greedy man and I hate drama/courtroom circus so I'd just quietly wish them success with that money and go spend my catch.

          That money's gone fo ever

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            Posted: August 7, 2014, 2:05 pm - IP Logged

            DanceSign your ticket and your life will be drama FREE Patriot

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              Posted: August 7, 2014, 2:10 pm - IP Logged

              DanceSign your ticket and your life will be drama FREE Patriot

              Thumbs Up Now thats wassup

              That money's gone fo ever

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                Posted: August 7, 2014, 3:32 pm - IP Logged

                If you know the numbers you played, where and when you brought them then there is no need to buy them again if you lose the tickets, if they win you simply make your claim and present your evidence. 

                The odds of losing a winning a ticket are about the same as buying a winning ticket so chances are buying them again is a waste of money.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Posted: August 7, 2014, 4:22 pm - IP Logged

                  noise-gate,

                  There have been several stories about winners getting quizzed by lottery officials to verify they are the ones who bought the ticket.

                  "How'd you get the numbers, what time did you play it, do you go there often?", etc.... and of course the surveillance cameras.

                  True Coin Toss, however " Helpmewin" said it best, sign the ticket and you have nothing to worry about, something l forgot to add. The "lost" ticket would obviously be unsigned and since possession is said to be 9/10th of the law- one would have no claim to that ticket.

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                    Posted: August 7, 2014, 4:43 pm - IP Logged

                    If you know the numbers you played, where and when you brought them then there is no need to buy them again if you lose the tickets, if they win you simply make your claim and present your evidence. 

                    The odds of losing a winning a ticket are about the same as buying a winning ticket so chances are buying them again is a waste of money.

                    You make a good point RJOH- but if you had a " good feeling" about those particular numbers that were on the ticket you lost, you would not hesitate to purchase them again... Far worse has been done.

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                      Posted: August 7, 2014, 5:57 pm - IP Logged

                      If you lose a ticket, it is not considered abandoned property legally. It is still your ticket. So I would have some problem with allowing someone to lie (in your scenario) and claim they bought it. As others mentioned, there are cameras, etc. so I think your ownership could be established without any long drawn out litigation.  Remember the lottery officials are the initial decision makers here. Once they determined your ownership, of course the other guy could file a suit but a half way decent attorney should be able to get that dismissed easily enough (the other side would have no proof to survive a motion to dismiss).

                      The only way I would consider ignoring the other ticket I lost would be if it was a world record jackpot in a non anonymous state. Having the media focus on 2 people vs one would be better.

                      If you live in an anonymous state, or can claim via a trust, I am not sure signing with your name is the best option.

                      J'aime La France.

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                        Posted: August 7, 2014, 6:49 pm - IP Logged

                        True Coin Toss, however " Helpmewin" said it best, sign the ticket and you have nothing to worry about, something l forgot to add. The "lost" ticket would obviously be unsigned and since possession is said to be 9/10th of the law- one would have no claim to that ticket.

                        Not true.

                         

                        Possession is Nine Points of the Law Law & Legal Definition

                         

                        Possession means holding property in one’s power or the exercise of dominion over property. By having possession one exercises control over something to the exclusion of all others.

                        The saying “possession is nine points of the law” is an old common law precept that means one who has physical control or possession over the property is clearly at an advantage or is in a better possession than a person who has no possession over the property. Even if a person is the rightful owner of the property but has no possession over it, the person who is in possession will be in a better position should the property ever be subject to challenge. This is especially true with adverse possession. However mere possession alone does not grant the possessor rights in the property superior to those of the actual owner. This adage “possession is nine tenths of the law” is not a law but a logical rule of force that has been recognized across ages.

                        In re Garza, 984 S.W.2d 344, 347 (Tex. App. 1998), Texas court has held that “Despite the old saying that "possession is 9/10ths of the law," mere possession and whatever right to the property that comes with mere possession does not grant the possessor rights in the property superior to those of the actual owner. J. CRIBBET, PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF PROPERTY 12-13 (1962); R. BOYER, SURVEY OF THE LAW OF PROPERTY 679-80 (1981). In other words, there is a hierarchy of ownership, as reflected both in the common law and § 1.07(35)(a) of the Penal Code. One in possession of chattel has a greater right to it than one who lacks both possession and title. Yet, one who has title maintains a greater right over the chattel than 1) one who simply has possession and 2) one who has neither possession nor claim of ownership. Id. Indeed, it can be said that the title owner has the greatest rights to the property. With that greatest right comes the power to negate the authority of those with lesser right. Similarly, those who stand in the lesser position lack the power to override or negate the rights of the title owner.”

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                          Not true.

                           

                          Possession is Nine Points of the Law Law & Legal Definition

                           

                          Possession means holding property in one’s power or the exercise of dominion over property. By having possession one exercises control over something to the exclusion of all others.

                          The saying “possession is nine points of the law” is an old common law precept that means one who has physical control or possession over the property is clearly at an advantage or is in a better possession than a person who has no possession over the property. Even if a person is the rightful owner of the property but has no possession over it, the person who is in possession will be in a better position should the property ever be subject to challenge. This is especially true with adverse possession. However mere possession alone does not grant the possessor rights in the property superior to those of the actual owner. This adage “possession is nine tenths of the law” is not a law but a logical rule of force that has been recognized across ages.

                          In re Garza, 984 S.W.2d 344, 347 (Tex. App. 1998), Texas court has held that “Despite the old saying that "possession is 9/10ths of the law," mere possession and whatever right to the property that comes with mere possession does not grant the possessor rights in the property superior to those of the actual owner. J. CRIBBET, PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF PROPERTY 12-13 (1962); R. BOYER, SURVEY OF THE LAW OF PROPERTY 679-80 (1981). In other words, there is a hierarchy of ownership, as reflected both in the common law and § 1.07(35)(a) of the Penal Code. One in possession of chattel has a greater right to it than one who lacks both possession and title. Yet, one who has title maintains a greater right over the chattel than 1) one who simply has possession and 2) one who has neither possession nor claim of ownership. Id. Indeed, it can be said that the title owner has the greatest rights to the property. With that greatest right comes the power to negate the authority of those with lesser right. Similarly, those who stand in the lesser position lack the power to override or negate the rights of the title owner.”

                          I agree with you. I am no law expert but I will tell you about a related event that happened in MA. Some guy was buying and scratching lottery tickets and tossing the losers in the trash can. He must have missed a big winner because some guy who had made it his habit to jump into the trash can to check for tossed winners found it. He tried to claim it. The loser/unfortunate guy sued and the case dragged in the courts fo ever. I think it was settled out of court. You can read the story here http://www.lotterypost.com/news/123795

                          helpmewin  said it best. You gotta sign your ticket to secure it. In case you lose it the finder cannot claim it. They might decide to burn it out of spite

                          That money's gone fo ever

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                            I agree with you. I am no law expert but I will tell you about a related event that happened in MA. Some guy was buying and scratching lottery tickets and tossing the losers in the trash can. He must have missed a big winner because some guy who had made it his habit to jump into the trash can to check for tossed winners found it. He tried to claim it. The loser/unfortunate guy sued and the case dragged in the courts fo ever. I think it was settled out of court. You can read the story here http://www.lotterypost.com/news/123795

                            helpmewin  said it best. You gotta sign your ticket to secure it. In case you lose it the finder cannot claim it. They might decide to burn it out of spite

                            MM, that is a different fact pattern. The person in MA intended to toss it away and made a "mistake." I would find that same fact pattern up in the air also.

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                              Not true.

                               

                              Possession is Nine Points of the Law Law & Legal Definition

                               

                              Possession means holding property in one’s power or the exercise of dominion over property. By having possession one exercises control over something to the exclusion of all others.

                              The saying “possession is nine points of the law” is an old common law precept that means one who has physical control or possession over the property is clearly at an advantage or is in a better possession than a person who has no possession over the property. Even if a person is the rightful owner of the property but has no possession over it, the person who is in possession will be in a better position should the property ever be subject to challenge. This is especially true with adverse possession. However mere possession alone does not grant the possessor rights in the property superior to those of the actual owner. This adage “possession is nine tenths of the law” is not a law but a logical rule of force that has been recognized across ages.

                              In re Garza, 984 S.W.2d 344, 347 (Tex. App. 1998), Texas court has held that “Despite the old saying that "possession is 9/10ths of the law," mere possession and whatever right to the property that comes with mere possession does not grant the possessor rights in the property superior to those of the actual owner. J. CRIBBET, PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF PROPERTY 12-13 (1962); R. BOYER, SURVEY OF THE LAW OF PROPERTY 679-80 (1981). In other words, there is a hierarchy of ownership, as reflected both in the common law and § 1.07(35)(a) of the Penal Code. One in possession of chattel has a greater right to it than one who lacks both possession and title. Yet, one who has title maintains a greater right over the chattel than 1) one who simply has possession and 2) one who has neither possession nor claim of ownership. Id. Indeed, it can be said that the title owner has the greatest rights to the property. With that greatest right comes the power to negate the authority of those with lesser right. Similarly, those who stand in the lesser position lack the power to override or negate the rights of the title owner.”

                              Impressive job HoLeeKau! There is a rebuttable presumption that someone who possesses it may be the owner but it quickly dissolves (in our fact pattern) when the true owner presents their evidence.

                              I think the only area in the law (where possession may/can trump owners rights) is regarding adverse possession of property which I always thought was kind of a crazy area of law (hold over from the common law...it is common in Europe).

                              J'aime La France.