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For Fun- You purchase a PB ticket, but end up losing it, so you purchase another...

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maringoman's avatar - images q=tbn:ANd9GcTbRxpKQmOfcCoUqF2FyqIOAwDo7rg9G-lfJLAALPGWJWwiz19eRw
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Posted: August 7, 2014, 8:31 pm - IP Logged

MM, that is a different fact pattern. The person in MA intended to toss it away and made a "mistake." I would find that same fact pattern up in the air also.

I never heard of fact pattern concept before, I'll be sure to read up on it. Hopefully I'll never need to rely on its tenets as far as my lottery tickets are concerned...hmmm I need to get me that rubber stamp

That money's gone fo ever

    Artist77's avatar - batman14

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    Posted: August 7, 2014, 8:48 pm - IP Logged

    I never heard of fact pattern concept before, I'll be sure to read up on it. Hopefully I'll never need to rely on its tenets as far as my lottery tickets are concerned...hmmm I need to get me that rubber stamp

    Fact pattern is a term used in the law. You justify a different outcome/decision based upon some fact being different/distinguishable from another case. It is how briefs are argued, etc.....so one can distinguish bad case law based on different facts.. that case holding was based upon different facts from my case your Honor so it should not apply here, etc.

    J'aime La France.

      maringoman's avatar - images q=tbn:ANd9GcTbRxpKQmOfcCoUqF2FyqIOAwDo7rg9G-lfJLAALPGWJWwiz19eRw
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      Posted: August 7, 2014, 9:17 pm - IP Logged

      Fact pattern is a term used in the law. You justify a different outcome/decision based upon some fact being different/distinguishable from another case. It is how briefs are argued, etc.....so one can distinguish bad case law based on different facts.. that case holding was based upon different facts from my case your Honor so it should not apply here, etc.

      Cool stuff this is Thumbs Up

      That money's gone fo ever

        RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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        Posted: August 7, 2014, 9:25 pm - IP Logged

        You make a good point RJOH- but if you had a " good feeling" about those particular numbers that were on the ticket you lost, you would not hesitate to purchase them again... Far worse has been done.

        I've had a good feeling about most of the numbers that I've ever played and only come close to winning a jackpot twice in twenty years.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Artist77's avatar - batman14

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          Posted: August 7, 2014, 9:30 pm - IP Logged

          Cool stuff this is Thumbs Up

          lol I think you already knew that and are pulling my leg....lol.

          J'aime La France.

            maringoman's avatar - images q=tbn:ANd9GcTbRxpKQmOfcCoUqF2FyqIOAwDo7rg9G-lfJLAALPGWJWwiz19eRw
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            Posted: August 7, 2014, 9:38 pm - IP Logged

            lol I think you already knew that and are pulling my leg....lol.

            LOL lol not really. I know from logic that if you mistakenly lose something, the law has got to have an avenue for you to claim it back or there'd be chaos in society. It is the legal jargon that I didn't have. Now I do Jester

            That money's gone fo ever

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              Posted: August 8, 2014, 11:11 am - IP Logged

              If you lose a ticket, it is not considered abandoned property legally. It is still your ticket. So I would have some problem with allowing someone to lie (in your scenario) and claim they bought it. As others mentioned, there are cameras, etc. so I think your ownership could be established without any long drawn out litigation.  Remember the lottery officials are the initial decision makers here. Once they determined your ownership, of course the other guy could file a suit but a half way decent attorney should be able to get that dismissed easily enough (the other side would have no proof to survive a motion to dismiss).

              The only way I would consider ignoring the other ticket I lost would be if it was a world record jackpot in a non anonymous state. Having the media focus on 2 people vs one would be better.

              If you live in an anonymous state, or can claim via a trust, I am not sure signing with your name is the best option.

              Now l did not know that Artist 77- Given the constant drumbeat of " Sign your lottery ticket", l was under the impression that if you did not sign your ticket and it was lost, the person who found it qualifies as the Owner.

                Artist77's avatar - batman14

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                Posted: August 8, 2014, 5:19 pm - IP Logged

                Noisegate, no finders keeps weepers losers. lol Losing a ticket is not intentional but discarding one is different.

                But when you want to claim in a trust state, the rep. of the trust claims the money so I am 90% certain the trustee/attorney, etc. must have to sign the ticket since the check goes to the trust. I sure there is some verification...maybe the lottery officials speak with the ticket owner as well.

                J'aime La France.