What's The Clerk do with YOUR winning Ticket after you Cash it?

Reply #23

RJOh — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:00:05 GMT

I'm not sure I understand what a crook bringing a previously cashed winning ticket into a store has to do with losers that are already in the box under the counter.

Retailers don't care to have their clerks time taken up rechecking tickets these crooks (dumpster divers) bring in to be checked again.

Reply #22

haymaker — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:58:03 GMT

I see a lot of scratchers for sale on ebay.

Amazing that anyone would collect them.

But I have a large matchbook collection, about 600 books,

as well as a licence plate collection, at least one for each state and about 150 overall.

These are hobbies that cost next to nothing, the thing is, once people know you collect something, they collect for you.

I don't actively look for this stuff any more, the matchbooks are hard to come by now that most don't smoke anymore.

Reply #21

GiveFive — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:21:03 GMT

I agree, retailers are allowed to keep them. But what other purpose can the kept losing tickets serve other than for them to be used to offset gambling winnings? (legally or illegally)

I'm not sure I understand what a crook bringing a previously cashed winning ticket into a store has to do with losers that are already in the box under the counter. I'm sure retailers do get tired of somebody trying to scam them with a previously cashed ticket, but the losing tickets already in the box under th... [ More ]

Reply #20

RJOh — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:57:12 GMT

For one thing states allow retailers to keep winning tickets they cash and for another as one retailer told me he gets tire of crooks bringing in winning tickets that have been cashed else where and arguing with his clerks when the terminal shows the tickets have already been cashed.

Reply #19

GiveFive — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:02:11 GMT

I don't know why they're being kept. It's all rumour and speculation.

But then, I bet you cant give me another good reason as to why they're keeping discarded losing lottery tickets. What else can you do with them besides evading (or even legitimately reducing) income taxes? G5

Reply #18

Pick3Guy — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 07:37:36 GMT

So, how do you know that the tickets are being kept for the purpose of reducing the amount of income taxes

Reply #17

chris-chase — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 14:48:53 GMT

Fair point Lotto Metro. The 10%ers are the extreme. You have to have common sense if you planned on doing it.

If I had a 10k win I am writing ALL of it off. Collecting tickets locally is easily done. Factor in any other gambling you

may do (ie Casino, horse track etc) and can easily be written off against your win without any real red flags. The

trouble starts when you have a huge win and are trying to write that whole thing off dollar for dollar.

Not to get too far off topic but

Reply #16

GiveFive — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:27:45 GMT

Well Metro, while I do admire your willingness to look for the best in people, there's another aspect to this that you just can't see via the screen on your computer.

See, this lotto joint I'm talkin' about is strictly a low brow joint. Cruddy, dark, dingy, and dirty, the whole nine yards. Which is why I kinda like the place!

They got guys in there that say things like Fuhgeddabowdit or Youse gonna make me do sumpin youse aint gonna like Some of those guys might even have been a Yardbird i... [ More ]

Reply #15

LottoMetro — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:15:00 GMT

Clarance got away with it due to technicalities. First, the state made an error in calculation. Clarance walked away with a whopping $25,000. The state thought it was in the millions (boy did they look stupid). Second, the state's auditors didn't review enough of his records to substantiate their assumptions (being a 10%-er). They thought that they could audit a few and that would be enough evidence (they were lazy). That is it. So the win in court by Clarance was a fluke and wouldn't be a prece... [ More ]

Reply #14

RJOh — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 04:58:11 GMT

The were some LP news stories about those ten percenters and you can post links to other LP posts and news stories if you want.

Reply #13

chris-chase — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 03:01:59 GMT

Lottometro..you are dead wrong. I guess you never heard of Clearnace Jones and the so called ten Percenters. In a nutshell it is people

who cash other peoples winning lottery tickets for them so they can avoid either the taxes or other obligations they may owe (ie child support etc)

In any case i am saying you are wrong because Jones cashed in millions of dollars of winning tickets over the past decade and wrote every win off as a loss

and even got a refund. The state fought him..and lo... [ More ]

Reply #12

LottoMetro — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:22:42 GMT

I'm pretty sure that in most states the clerks are supposed to tear up or mark through tickets after cashing them.

Even if they don't, this would only work for multi-play printed tickets, since obviously a winning scratch-off cannot be used as a loss.

So it is likely the clerk at that store has a dedicated recycling bin or what not for players to throw away losing tickets. Also possible is that those tickets belong to the clerks. I see clerks buying tickets all the time. They get a commiss... [ More ]

Reply #11

maringoman — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:21:41 GMT

Nice wins of +$50 then I take a pic with my phone and then cash em. I never get my winning tickets back and I never ask for them. Smaller wins end up being converted into new lottery tickets and life goes on.

Reply #10

GiveFive — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:09:51 GMT

Right. It's the guy who wins a mid-tier prize who really benefits by showing an IRS auditor a big pile of losing tickets.

Reply #9

GiveFive — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:04:45 GMT

I'm OK with that. Whomever purposely dropped the losing ticket on the ground was voluntarily giving it up, so it's a finders keepers kind of thing. If picking them up saves someone a few bucks in income taxes then so be it, and good for him or her!

What I don't like is a store without my knowledge and consent keeping my winning or losing ticket, and then selling it at a later date to someone who uses it to falsely reduce what they owe in income taxes.

Reply #8

RJOh — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:54:13 GMT

Unless a player wins more than his standard allowable deduction on his taxes, he's never going to need any losing tickets and if he wins a jackpot he not going to bother trying to claim a few losing lottery tickets.

Reply #7

AmoWin — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:59:04 GMT

Shoo' Now, I hurd e'erthing.

Can't peoples just be honest? Why dey go do dat stuf fo

Reply #6

haymaker — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 15:30:29 GMT

I know that at the race track people used to pick up losing tickets from the floor to show loses.

That's great, but remember this, if you ever get audited those losers better not have shoe prints on them. LOL

Reply #5

RJOh — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:57:49 GMT

Ohio has a system that allows clerks to run a winning ticket through the terminal and it will print paid on it but store managers tell me it takes too long so they'd rather their clerks just scam them and if they're winners pay the customers and dispose of the tickets so they won't try cashing them again. The store where I buy my tickets will return my winning tickets if I ask for them.

The Lottery website suggest winning tickets be kept by the retailer after they are paid so the clerk retur... [ More ]

Reply #4

helpmewin — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:33:47 GMT

That's awesome the US needs to get it together

Reply #3

helpmewin — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:30:52 GMT

They ask me if i want them back and i say no then they rip them up, i always copy my winning tickets

Reply #2

savagegoose — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:28:08 GMT

here the new system prints winner on it and hands it back to you with the cash prize. or no win printed on it, the machine prints onto the ticket and you get it back

Reply #1

noahwill — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:52:56 GMT

Interesting...I'm going to pay attention next time to what the clerk does

What's The Clerk do with YOUR winning Ticket after you Cash it?

GiveFive — Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:38:21 GMT

Ever notice what the clerk does with your twenty dollar winning ticket after you cash it? Did they give it back to you, or did you think that they threw it in a garbage pail behind the counter?

If you didnt get it back, maybe they threw it in the garbage, and maybe they didn't.

Recently I learned that in one local convenience store that I frequent to buy lottery tickets, there's a cardboard box under the counter, and all low tier winning tickets cashed in that store end up in that box.... [ More ]