When a winning ticket gets destroyed

Reply #52

noise-gate — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 20:53:42 GMT

Stack- l could not help holding off satisfying my curiosity , so less than 5 minutes ago, l called one of the LC offices out here in the East Bay and flat out asked the person.. if the Original ticket is lost BUT copies have been made of that ticket, are we up a creek without a paddle? ..and the answer was NO.l asked the female if she could clarity and she said absolutely. According to the LC There will be an investigation and based on the Time Stamp on the ticket the person who bought the ticke... [ More ]

Reply #51

noise-gate — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:20:33 GMT

Perhaps that's something Z could explain to you Sir- since l am going off what he claims to be true.l still come back to the make copies for yourself statement which by all intended purposes seems to carry some weight- However small.

****I have a free replay on a fantasy 5 ticket Stack l intend to make a copy of it see whether the machine accepts it as well. The Proof is in the pudding as they say.

Peace.

Reply #50

SilverLion — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:48:35 GMT

Noise gate, first of all its frowned upon by employers to have employees wasting paper and ink, in non-work related activity.

Secondly the story claims one of the original tickets rolled out black on the front.One of the original tickets rolled out black on the front

From my vast photocopy experience, you put the ticket on the glass and you lower the cover. There is no rolling out . Now if perhaps the glass was wet, because, somebody spilledd their wine , and the ticket got damaged, now y... [ More ]

Reply #49

KY Floyd — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 07:21:59 GMT

I'm not implying anything. I'm simply pointing out that the lotteries tend to have rules requiring the original ticket, that the lotteries tend to follow their rules, and that what appears to be a photocopy of a winning ticket doesn't prove anything that really matters. You're welcome to spend $14 on MM tickets so that you can be sure of having a winning ticket to copy so that you can find out for yourself if they'll accept the copy and give you the prize.

As Stack already noted, there's noth... [ More ]

Reply #48

Stack47 — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:40:31 GMT

I'm making a copy of my next winning ticket and have the self-serve machine scan the copy. If the bar code shows it's not a winner, we'll know why Lotteries don't accept copies.

Reply #47

RJOh — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:44:41 GMT

In a lottery pool where copies were sent to all its members, if the purchaser lost the original a copy sent to a pool member might be the only proof left.

Reply #46

Stack47 — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:14:37 GMT

Having a real ticket with numbers on the back is different than claiming the ticket was destroyed. Depending on the rules, it's possible a lottery might accept a copy of a ticket's bar code, but again that begs the question who would protect the copy better than the real ticket

Reply #45

noise-gate — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 20:39:47 GMT

Regardless Stack : I keep coming back to this post by Zephbe. Since he said it is a True Story, what's stopping the LC from re issuing you the winning ticket?

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True story-a guy in our office pool was making copies of our pool tickets on a printer at his desk. One of the original tickets rolled out black on the fro... [ More ]

Reply #44

Stack47 — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 20:16:48 GMT

That advice is for claiming a ticket they think is a winner, but it won't validate. The copies of the claims form and the ticket are useless if the ticket is not a winner.

Reply #43

Stack47 — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 20:09:22 GMT

He punched out a ticket from the lottery machine in his store showing 184 tickets were printed out from that machine on that date. He said the store's surveillance system probably shows him making the purchases, but that doesn't go far with state lottery officials. Florida man

There is a logical reason state lotteries won't make exceptions for lost, stolen, or destroyed tickets and the above real story is not much different than the scenario presented in this topic. The Florida man didn't ma... [ More ]

Reply #42

noise-gate — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 15:36:45 GMT

Somehow l get the impression that you implying that there is no way in Hell that the LC would ever pay out Floyd. Someone posted a response saying one can ask for a copy of their lost ticket providing one has the numbers. Perhaps that is the reason they say make a copy for your records ..

Reply #41

KY Floyd — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 04:47:48 GMT

You retain a copy of the Claim Form as proof of submission of a ticket.

If there's an actual claim form and a ticket you won't need a copy of the claim form. If the original claim form and the ticket are nowhere to be found the only thing the copy of the claim form will prove is that you've got a copy of a claim form.

That alone should tell you something about how much trust you should put in the lottery's advice about making copies.

Reply #40

noise-gate — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:58:14 GMT

I guess the FInal answer seems quiet obvious. Since you would have copies of your original ticket, one could simple call the LC and say....

Hello- This is Joe Blow, the reason for my call is that l would like to request a replacement copy of my ticket. The # 's are 12345678. May l ask What does your data show in regards to those numbers?

Well , l'll be- those numbers are from the winning $150 mil jackpot..how did you come to know those numbers..SIr?

Well funny you should ask. I am the o... [ More ]

Reply #39

LottoMetro — Fri, 19 Jun 2015 22:53:36 GMT

What If the Original ticket got lost in the mail- do you think they would accept a copy of the ticket since you followed their advice?

Interesting post and I think they intentionally leave it ambiguous. You will note that on most, if not all, lottery websites they state that the lottery is not responsibile for tickets lost or stolen in the mail. This implies that they would not accept copies in that case. Usually its advised that the player simply call the lottery if they think they have a wi... [ More ]

Reply #38

noise-gate — Fri, 19 Jun 2015 06:18:25 GMT

Found this rather Interesting LM..

I have a ticket that I think is a winner, but it won't validate. What do I do?

If you question the result on an instant or live-drawing ticket, sign the back of your original ticket(s), obtain a claim form from any NJ Lottery Retailer and fill it out at the retailer. Then mail the original claim form along with your questionable ticket and the validation receipt in the self-addressed, postage paid envelope provided, to the following address:

New... [ More ]

Reply #37

Stack47 — Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:08:44 GMT

If this topic is mumbo-jumbo to you, why are you here.

The majority of the remarks you made are either incorrect or flat out wrong and just because you started the topic doesn't make it the truth.

The purpose of this discussion is to find out if there is any circumstance where a copy will result in a payout and as such extreme scenarios are warranted since we know simple loss isn't acceptable.

Each lottery has their set of rules and regulations and you never showed even one set of ru... [ More ]

Reply #36

Teddi — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 23:16:37 GMT

Nope, no correction necessary. This is a fact finding mission after all. And your premise makes 100% sense. But...

Have any of you ever been granted something even when you didn't meet all the guidelines or requirements? The publicized rule says one thing but there's an unpublished loophole the public may not know about until that situation arises?

For instance, I was filing a legal document and in bold print and not up for discussion was a requirement to have an original birth certificate... [ More ]

Reply #35

Teddi — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 22:34:29 GMT

God you're an annoying pita. If this topic is mumbo-jumbo to you, why are you here. I'd imagine that there are dozens of other topics on this site which would meet your lofty standards, and yet here you are instead. Hmm.

The purpose of this discussion is to find out if there is any circumstance where a copy will result in a payout and as such extreme scenarios are warranted since we know simple loss isn't acceptable.

If they would never under any circumstance payout on a copy, even a noto... [ More ]

Reply #34

KY Floyd — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 06:16:25 GMT

Rolls of lottery tickets have stuff printed on both sides before they even get near a lottery terminal. The numbers on the back are a serial number, and I'm pretty sure they're part of the validation process for a ticket that wins a major prize. The lottery may not know the exact serial number that's on the back of any particular ticket, but they'll know about what it is. The spacing of the serial numbers should guarantee that every ticket has at least one serial number, while tickets with multi... [ More ]

Reply #33

KY Floyd — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 06:12:00 GMT

I stand corrected. I figured the lottery would follow their rules, but I'm sure you can easily convince the lottery that they don't need to follow their rules because you have piece of paper with an image that looks a lot like a lottery ticket.

Reply #32

noise-gate — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 03:45:09 GMT

You correct Stack - that is why l most definitely would claim my winnings through a Trust. The beauty of the Trust is that one can designate a specific amount to be deposited into your checking account every two weeks and thus insulate one from frivolous spending...* in most cases.

Reply #31

Stack47 — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:28:54 GMT

You'll need a good attorney if you claim with a trust, but by signing the back of the ticket, you're agreeing to all the lottery rules and regulations and not much a lawyer can change.

Reply #30

SilverLion — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:22:05 GMT

Ok I did look and yes there are two seemingly random sequential numbers on the ticket. So I admit my mistake.

However are you telling me that the lottery terminals are not only tracking the sales and winning tickets and numbers in the barcodes, but also the association with the number on the reverse? The reverse side numbers seems to me to be a sort of lot number or something. The number does NOT appear to be printed on the ticket at the time of purchase but rather seems to appear on the rev... [ More ]

Reply #29

Stack47 — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:14:11 GMT

Did anyone even hint at stating that the copy of a ticket be better protected than the actual ticket?

The majority of state lotteries have rules saying no ticket, no prize which makes all this mumbo-jumbo about making copies moot. If you know for a fact any lottery will accept copies, show us.

In the same way that keeping copies of ones SS card in a safe place might be beneficial in the event that something happens to the original, it does not negate keeping the actual card in a safe pla... [ More ]

Reply #28

maringoman — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:58:49 GMT

My bad. I should have been more pointed in my response. I meant to add an angle to the general topic and respond to the part you say about damage was due to player's negligence but it came out like I was arguing your point. (My excuse is I'm watching NBA playoffs)

I don't think copies would be acceptable. Slippery slope

Reply #27

LottoMetro — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:11:34 GMT

In that case, they still submitted the original ticket.

Where are the stories of the lottery awarding a jackpot based only on a copy?

Last month in Queens, a woman won ~$6000 and even had the claim receipts to prove it. But the clerk never gave her back the ticket (supposedly). Lottery denied her claim because she didn't have the original ticket.

Lotteries will tell you to make copies for your records. I've never heard one tell you to make copies so you can claim your prize if you lose... [ More ]

Reply #26

maringoman — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:05:10 GMT

After ripping up lottery ticket, Montana pair claim $48.5M share of Powerball jackpot

Jun 25, 2010, 12:45 am

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/216328

LP news archives has all types scenarios concerning lotteries.

Reply #25

Teddi — Wed, 17 Jun 2015 00:06:48 GMT

Did anyone even hint at stating that the copy of a ticket be better protected than the actual ticket? Or shouldn't common sense have come to the fore and have realization dawn that a person who is conscientious enough to make copies of their ticket would most likely be conscientious enough to have the ticket in a safe place. Even the foolish scenario of the ticket being in a safety deposit box should have been a clue. It also seems to me that in the event the LC would actually accept a copy as p... [ More ]

Reply #24

noise-gate — Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:03:54 GMT

Is that all it's for?... how about the ticket holder skipping town, would the pool have gone to *Court-thanks Stack, and presented their copies as proof of their right to some of the jackpot money RJ

Reply #23

zephbe — Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:00:02 GMT

Look at the back of your lottery ticket--there are numbers on the back. I have a PB ticket that has the quick picks on the front. the back of the ticket has 306786808 and 306769809. You should not post things that you don't know.

Reply #22

RJOh — Tue, 16 Jun 2015 09:30:33 GMT

Which raises a few questions LM: What is the purpose of everyone in a lottery Pool getting a copy of their tickets?

When I was in a pool with co-workers, the members copy of the tickets was for them to know what combinations were played on their behalf. Some members wanted to check for themselves when told the pool didn't have any winners.

Reply #21

noise-gate — Tue, 16 Jun 2015 04:16:02 GMT

Interesting Read Stack: Now I want my Lawyer.

Reply #20

Stack47 — Tue, 16 Jun 2015 03:55:06 GMT

What If the person holding the Original ticket decides to claim the jackpot for his/herself- would the LC rule that foul play is afoot based on the Copies

Lotteries usually pay the person holding the Original ticket unless there is a court order preventing it. Since the claim would be against the jackpot winner their proof is shown to a court and not the lottery.

If the answer is Yes, why would the LC not view the same copies as being legit in the event * Teddi's scenarios...a Tornado ,f... [ More ]

Reply #19

noise-gate — Tue, 16 Jun 2015 02:25:14 GMT

Which raises a few questions LM: What is the purpose of everyone in a lottery Pool getting a copy of their tickets?

What If the person holding the Original ticket decides to claim the jackpot for his/herself- would the LC rule that foul play is afoot based on the Copies that the other pool players present as proof of their right to claim a portion of the jackpot?

If the answer is Yes, why would the LC not view the same copies as being legit in the event * Teddi's scenarios...a Tornado ,fir... [ More ]

Reply #18

SilverLion — Tue, 16 Jun 2015 01:30:44 GMT

Actually I dont think this changes anything as there are no numbers on the reverse side of a ticket.

Granted I think if the bar code becomes smeared or something than of course the numbers on the front of the ticke t can be manual y imputted and the ticket reddeemed that way.

Reply #17

SilverLion — Tue, 16 Jun 2015 01:25:30 GMT

This is a really awesome question Teddi!

I would think that in order for you to claim after a theft, or a fire, you would need to present official fire department reports, or police report.

I sign any decent win immediately, and I always make copies. (Usually for my own records, to remember what patterns I was seeing)

If you have a copy of the winning ticket, the winning ticket is known to be missing, and there is video evidence of your purchase, ie, atm withdrawels, sales receipt etc,

Reply #16

LottoMetro — Tue, 16 Jun 2015 00:28:32 GMT

I've always thought that the point of making copies was 'evidence' in the event that the ticket is stolen.

The rules may vary by jurisdiction, but I believe that in most places they will not honor copies if the loss/damage was due to player's negligence.

In any case, I wouldn't expect the lottery to pay out on any copy except extraordinary circumstances or until a satisfactory period of time has passed.

Reply #15

Teddi — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:31:29 GMT

Yup. That's what I keep circling back to in my head. If there is no possible circumstance that the lottery would pay out a jackpot prize without the original ticket, why bother to make copies. Is it just misguided advice passed on over the years or is there some basis for making copies

Reply #14

Teddi — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 23:24:58 GMT

Well now, I think this puts a whole new light on this and changes everything, because if the LC can reprint and replace a damaged ticket and it's something they've done before, then there really is no reason for them not to do so again in the event a damaged ticket is a jackpot winner. Having precedence is a great legal foothold to have.

Reply #13

noise-gate — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:30:14 GMT

And just maybe .. it will make sense to all of us if we had on record an incident where a winner did not have the Original ticket but presented a copy to the LC and found out what their response was... huh Floyd? After all, what would be the point of making photocopies of any lottery ticket you buy IF you know you not going to be paid out on it

Reply #12

zephbe — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:40:36 GMT

True story-a guy in our office pool was making copies of our pool tickets on a printer at his desk. One of the original tickets rolled out black on the front. He called the lottery office and gave them the numbers from the back of the ticket. They re-issued him another ticket-and he lived to see another day--lol

Reply #11

KY Floyd — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 05:34:07 GMT

l fail to see how the Lottery would attempt to deny your claim.

Maybe it will make sense once you figure out that it's not the lottery's fault that you don't have the ticket that the official rules say is required in order to claim a prize.

Reply #10

Original Bey — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:36:53 GMT

I cannot point to a specific precedent where the lottery commission denied a claim under these circumstances. I can only site the current rules. From what I have read and posted the LC will only accept the actual ticket issued from the terminal as proof. I just encourage every player to store their tickets in a safe place, sign it immediately after purchase and have enough monies for Xanax should your ticket get destroyed.

Reply #9

noise-gate — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:14:23 GMT

True- but if l am not mistaken the person you referring to O.B showed up at the lottery HQ with no copies of his missing ticket. His only claim was that's me in the picture there buying my ticket .. That's the difference here bud. According to Teddi, photocopies are made to make a legitimate claim to a ticket that has gone up in flames.Having copies is winning half the battle because at least you have something.

Reply #8

Teddi — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:11:47 GMT

Yes, I did read about a person who won but who was denied because he couldn't find the ticket. But in a way I agree with them because a person purchasing a ticket doesn't prove it's theirs. He could have been buying it for someone else, for example. I think that's the reason a signature is required because possession doesn't necessarily prove ownership. Maybe I should take the word lost out of the equation because I would agree with the lottery that they shouldn't be responsible for someone's ne... [ More ]

Reply #7

Original Bey — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:04:44 GMT

NG it was your home state who launched a manhunt for the winner who they had on camera. Plastered his image all over the news media and when he came in with his sob story they read the rules and denied the claim. In its statement, the lottery commission acknowledged that he purchased the winning ticket. Today, he's still working pay check to pay check. When we play the game we play according to these established rules. Again, there is no precedent to date that has gone against these rules. In fa... [ More ]

Reply #6

noise-gate — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 19:53:16 GMT

You not seriously suggesting that you would accept that decision from the lottery should your home burn down with your winning ticket going up in flames as well..or are you O.B Wan? I can see many lawyers willing to step up to the plate and go to bat for you regardless.Many want to make a name for themselves by taking on the big Boys. After all OB- who in their right mind will willingly torch their home along with their winning ticket,whether it be a dive or not

Reply #5

Original Bey — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 19:35:49 GMT

All Terminal game prizes must be claimed at a Florida Lottery retailer or Florida Lottery district office on or before the 180th day after the winning drawing. All Scratch-Off game prizes must be claimed at a Florida Lottery retailer or Lottery office on or before the 60th day after the official end of the game. For faster payment, Florida Lottery winners should complete the information on the back of their winning ticket and take it to any retailer for validation. The ticket issued is the only

Reply #4

noise-gate — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 19:18:14 GMT

Yeah But O.B- Teddi is saying what if Your home burnt down with not only your ticket, but your worldly possessions? l fail to see how the Lottery would attempt to deny your claim. lf as she said copies of her ticket were made and got herself an aggressive Attorney...Her making Copies of the winning ticket is proof that she is the owner, unless someone else can produce another winning ticket.

Reply #3

Original Bey — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 19:04:55 GMT

NG this might prove the best case scenario if your ticket is lost or stolen. Someone else attempting to make a claim where you can in turn prove it was your ticket often results in you collecting the win. If the ticket is never found however, the lottery has under no circumstances to date paid out a claim.

Reply #2

noise-gate — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 18:58:06 GMT

Lotto.net posts the following..

What do I do if I lose my lotto ticket?

Most lotteries are not responsible for lost or stolen lotto tickets. It is strongly advised to sign the back of your lotto ticket after you purchase it to protect yourself from loss or theft. If you don t sign your ticket someone else can claim your lotto winnings.

If you have lost a lotto ticket is it advised to contact the lotto you were playing and be able to provide them with information such as where and

Reply #1

Original Bey — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 18:53:43 GMT

It doesn't matter what the case may be. If the ticket is lost, stolen or completely destroyed to the extent the lottery commission cannot validate it you cannot claim. In fact, there was a case where the lottery commission in CA was on the hunt for the winner and they had him on camera making the purchase. He couldn't produce the actual ticket and so the money remained in the coffers.

When a winning ticket gets destroyed

Teddi — Sun, 14 Jun 2015 18:48:15 GMT

Don't think this is a discussion topic so much as a legal query. I've read many articles on what to do with a lottery ticket that's a winner and the advice that's invariably stated is to sign the ticket and then make copies of both sides. However, every lottery jackpot site I've read says that the ticket must be presented, photocopies are not accepted.

So what happens if you have the winning ticket, but your house burns down with the ticket in it? Or you put it in a safety deposit box but th... [ More ]