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Don't think this is a discussion topic so much as a legal query. I've read many articles on what to do with a lottery ticket that's a winner and the advice that's invariably stated is to sign the ticket and then make copies of both sides. However, every lottery jackpot site I've read says that the ticket must be presented, photocopies are not accepted. 

So what happens if you have the winning ticket, but your house burns down with the ticket in it? Or you put it in a safety deposit box but there's a bank heist. 

What happens if your winning ticket is lost, stolen or destroyed but you have copies of it. I'll go so far as to say you signed the ticket and made copies in front of a notary. Would MUSL  accept the notarized copy if through no fault of your own, you cannot present the original ticket? 

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    Don't think this is a discussion topic so much as a legal query. I've read many articles on what to do with a lottery ticket that's a winner and the advice that's invariably stated is to sign the ticket and then make copies of both sides. However, every lottery jackpot site I've read says that the ticket must be presented, photocopies are not accepted. 

    So what happens if you have the winning ticket, but your house burns down with the ticket in it? Or you put it in a safety deposit box but there's a bank heist. 

    What happens if your winning ticket is lost, stolen or destroyed but you have copies of it. I'll go so far as to say you signed the ticket and made copies in front of a notary. Would MUSL  accept the notarized copy if through no fault of your own, you cannot present the original ticket? 

    It doesn't matter what the case may be. If the ticket is lost, stolen or completely destroyed to the extent the lottery commission cannot validate it you cannot claim. In fact, there was a case where the lottery commission in CA was on the hunt for the winner and they had him on camera making the purchase. He couldn't produce the actual ticket and so the money remained in the coffers.

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      Lotto.net  posts the following..

       

      What do I do if I lose my lotto ticket?

      Most lotteries are not responsible for lost or stolen lotto tickets. It is strongly advised to sign the back of your lotto ticket after you purchase it to protect yourself from loss or theft.  If you don’t sign your ticket someone else can claim your lotto winnings. 

      If you have lost a lotto ticket is it advised to contact the lotto you were playing and be able to provide them with information such as where and what time you bought the ticket from and what your chosen numbers were (and often useful if you know what else you bought at the same time). It is best to avoid situations like this by playing online so all your tickets are stored safely. 

       **** Whether what they post is true- is another matter altogether.

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        Lotto.net  posts the following..

         

        What do I do if I lose my lotto ticket?

        Most lotteries are not responsible for lost or stolen lotto tickets. It is strongly advised to sign the back of your lotto ticket after you purchase it to protect yourself from loss or theft.  If you don’t sign your ticket someone else can claim your lotto winnings. 

        If you have lost a lotto ticket is it advised to contact the lotto you were playing and be able to provide them with information such as where and what time you bought the ticket from and what your chosen numbers were (and often useful if you know what else you bought at the same time). It is best to avoid situations like this by playing online so all your tickets are stored safely. 

         **** Whether what they post is true- is another matter altogether.

        NG this might prove the best case scenario if your ticket is lost or stolen. Someone else attempting to make a claim where you can in turn prove it was your ticket often results in you collecting the win. If the ticket is never found however, the lottery has under no circumstances to date paid out a claim.

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          NG this might prove the best case scenario if your ticket is lost or stolen. Someone else attempting to make a claim where you can in turn prove it was your ticket often results in you collecting the win. If the ticket is never found however, the lottery has under no circumstances to date paid out a claim.

          Yeah But O.B- Teddi is saying what if " Your home burnt down" with not only your ticket, but your worldly possessions? l fail to see how the Lottery would attempt to deny your claim. lf as she said copies of her ticket were made and got herself an aggressive Attorney...Her making Copies of the winning ticket is proof that she is the owner, unless someone else can produce another winning ticket.

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            All Terminal game prizes must be claimed at a Florida Lottery retailer or Florida Lottery district office on or before the 180th day after the winning drawing. All Scratch-Off game prizes must be claimed at a Florida Lottery retailer or Lottery office on or before the 60th day after the official end of the game. For faster payment, Florida Lottery winners should complete the information on the back of their winning ticket and take it to any retailer for validation. The ticket issued is the only valid receipt for claiming a prize

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              All Terminal game prizes must be claimed at a Florida Lottery retailer or Florida Lottery district office on or before the 180th day after the winning drawing. All Scratch-Off game prizes must be claimed at a Florida Lottery retailer or Lottery office on or before the 60th day after the official end of the game. For faster payment, Florida Lottery winners should complete the information on the back of their winning ticket and take it to any retailer for validation. The ticket issued is the only valid receipt for claiming a prize

              You not seriously suggesting that you would accept that decision from the lottery should your home burn down with your winning ticket going up in flames as well..or are you O.B Wan? I can see many lawyers willing to step up to the plate and go to bat for you regardless.Many want to make a name for themselves by taking on the big Boys. After all OB- who in their right mind will willingly torch their home along with their winning ticket,whether it be a dive or not?

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                You not seriously suggesting that you would accept that decision from the lottery should your home burn down with your winning ticket going up in flames as well..or are you O.B Wan? I can see many lawyers willing to step up to the plate and go to bat for you regardless.Many want to make a name for themselves by taking on the big Boys. After all OB- who in their right mind will willingly torch their home along with their winning ticket,whether it be a dive or not?

                NG it was your home state who launched a manhunt for the winner who they had on camera. Plastered his image all over the news media and when he came in with his sob story they read the rules and denied the claim. In its statement, the lottery commission acknowledged that he purchased the winning ticket. Today, he's still working pay check to pay check. When we play the game we play according to these established rules. Again, there is no precedent to date that has gone against these rules. In fact, I have seen the opposite. A case in New York where someone else collected winnings from a scratch off game and the winner fought to get his entitlement. The lottery was not about to pay twice and did nothing to assist him in recovering the monies from the fraudulent claim. Lawyers were involved there too.

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                  Yes, I did read about a person who won but who was denied because he couldn't find the ticket. But in a way I agree with them because a person purchasing a ticket doesn't prove it's theirs. He could have been buying it for someone else, for example. I think that's the reason a signature is required because possession doesn't necessarily prove ownership. Maybe I should take the word "lost" out of the equation because I would agree with the lottery that they shouldn't be responsible for someone's negligence.

                  But if your ticket is destroyed through no fault of your own, because you're in Texas and your house got flooded, or you live in Kansas and a twister destroyed your entire town, or your house exploded because of a gas leak, but luckily, you kept a signed and notorized copy of the ticket in a secondary location and you could produce that along with security video showing you bought the ticket, would MUSL really still deny the claim? 

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                    NG it was your home state who launched a manhunt for the winner who they had on camera. Plastered his image all over the news media and when he came in with his sob story they read the rules and denied the claim. In its statement, the lottery commission acknowledged that he purchased the winning ticket. Today, he's still working pay check to pay check. When we play the game we play according to these established rules. Again, there is no precedent to date that has gone against these rules. In fact, I have seen the opposite. A case in New York where someone else collected winnings from a scratch off game and the winner fought to get his entitlement. The lottery was not about to pay twice and did nothing to assist him in recovering the monies from the fraudulent claim. Lawyers were involved there too.

                    True- but if l am not mistaken the person you referring to O.B showed up at the lottery HQ with no copies of his  missing ticket. His only  claim was " that's me in the picture there buying my ticket".. That's the difference here bud. According to Teddi, photocopies are made to make a legitimate claim to a ticket that has gone up in flames.Having copies is winning half the battle because at least you have something. 

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                      True- but if l am not mistaken the person you referring to O.B showed up at the lottery HQ with no copies of his  missing ticket. His only  claim was " that's me in the picture there buying my ticket".. That's the difference here bud. According to Teddi, photocopies are made to make a legitimate claim to a ticket that has gone up in flames.Having copies is winning half the battle because at least you have something. 

                      I cannot point to a specific precedent where the lottery commission denied a claim under these circumstances. I can only site the current rules. From what I have read and posted the LC will only accept the actual ticket issued from the terminal as proof. I just encourage every player to store their tickets in a safe place, sign it immediately after purchase and have enough monies for Xanax should your ticket get destroyed.

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                        "l fail to see how the Lottery would attempt to deny your claim."

                        Maybe it will make sense once you figure out that it's not the lottery's fault that you don't have the ticket that the official rules say is required in order to claim a prize.

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                          True story-a guy in our office pool was making copies of our pool tickets on a printer at his  desk.  One of the original tickets rolled out black on the front.  He called the lottery office and gave them the numbers from the back of the ticket. They re-issued him another ticket-and he lived to see another day--lol

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                            "l fail to see how the Lottery would attempt to deny your claim."

                            Maybe it will make sense once you figure out that it's not the lottery's fault that you don't have the ticket that the official rules say is required in order to claim a prize.

                            And just maybe .. it will make sense to all of us if we had on record an incident where a winner did not have the Original ticket but presented a copy to the LC and found out what their response was... huh Floyd? After all, what would be the point of making photocopies of any lottery ticket you buy IF you know you not going to be paid out on it?

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                              True story-a guy in our office pool was making copies of our pool tickets on a printer at his  desk.  One of the original tickets rolled out black on the front.  He called the lottery office and gave them the numbers from the back of the ticket. They re-issued him another ticket-and he lived to see another day--lol

                              Well now, I think this puts a whole new light on this and changes everything, because if the LC can reprint and replace a damaged ticket and it's something they've done before, then there really is no reason for them not to do so again in the event a damaged ticket is a jackpot winner. Having precedence is a great legal foothold to have. 

                              I might wake up early and go running.  I might also wake up and win the lottery.

                              The odds are about the same.