Tackling Thoth...

Reply #54

garyo1954 — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 06:29:23 GMT

That's some very nice work!

Way ahead of me on the possible prediction of which digit will show.

I'd backtest it. Or track it forward.

Been putting the PA files together. On and off they've had Wild Draws, just an additional draw from time to time, like Hey! We don't like that number so let's do another draw!

Now they're doing wild ball draws. Draw a wild ball and then three more balls. Replace any of your ball and win.

Gotta get some rest. 4:00AM comes early.... [ More ]

Reply #53

ScreamingMidget — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 05:41:52 GMT

Here was the stats before the 049 evening draw.

Mid Digit 4 was out 13 draws(Low to high)

Reverse SUM is out 5, which is sorting Low to High, subtracting 1st digit from 2nd Digit, and subtracting that

from the 3rd digit. Ex: 049, 4-0=4. 9-4=5, for Reverse SUM 5.

Front Pair 04 is out 13 Draws.

Back pair 49 was one of the longest out.

VLH is second longest out 13 draws, which was 049 that hit.

Would there be anything else useful that I can add that would help t... [ More ]

Reply #52

ScreamingMidget — Tue, 06 Dec 2016 05:14:53 GMT

Sooo, I'm probably way off with this. But could this technically work? We know 0,1 usually hits on the low

end, and 8, 9 hits on the high end. But together, they don't hit as often correct? Here's a little put-together

I did for both Front Pair 0,1, Back Pair 8,9, and Both Side Pair 0,1x8,9.

So say 0's have been hitting, and we are looking for a 1. Then we would play these combos:

123 134 145 124 125 135 234 235 345 245

146 124 136 236 346 246 147 127 137 237

347 247 for 2... [ More ]

Reply #51

garyo1954 — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 19:16:56 GMT

YES!

Blackapple should be on that list. He's does more with sum roots and last digit roots than possibly anybody ever. He's not always easy to follow, but I always check out what he has posted.

Reply #50

garyo1954 — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 18:58:30 GMT

From Thoth my understanding was with the draws in low to high order we track 0, 1 or 1, 0 in the first position in successive draws. In the third position we track 8,9 or 9,8 in successive draws. This is what I show for Florida

Your last 0,1 play was 11/26 (024) backed by 11/27 (159). That makes the 0,1 couplet and we get the hit 11/28 with the 068.

Your last 8,9 or 9,8 play would have been 12/1 (third column) with the 058 followed by 679. Three draws later we get 258 for a hit.

Reply #49

CARBOB — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 18:58:03 GMT

I screwed it up anyway, it was the 1 that was missing, I thought it was the 0, should have checked.

result 136

Reply #48

Jayhawk58 — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 18:55:58 GMT

pcnut 3,8,9 concept is revealing also.

Reply #47

ScreamingMidget — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 18:52:57 GMT

Thanks, I do remember WIN D. I was loading up all 100's of his posts last night looking around. I'll check

out the others you have mentioned. I just added vTrack tracking to my list as well. The only flaw I see

with this current Wheeled method is is contains 0x8, 0x9, 1x8, 1x9 Pairs, which they don't hit that often

together compared to 0xx, 1xx, xx8, xx9, which we already know was discussed on that other thread.

Time to do some more research and creative thinking.... [ More ]

Reply #46

Jayhawk58 — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 18:48:36 GMT

You've hit the nail this time Garyo !!

I was just thinking of Win D in response to Screaming Midge's post.

I track and do pretty much pencil and paper with the 3-4 rundown as base. I've found it interesting looking at the scenario of 0,1 and 8,9. Tracking the history of any state proves it's validity. It even holds in mid to mid and eve to eve if that's how you play. The idea of targets is not new. It's all through LP.

I have automated the 3-4 a little bit and I do copy and paste more.... [ More ]

Reply #45

CARBOB — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 18:30:26 GMT

I may be misunderstanding the method. Don't you track the number of draws since a 0 has followed a 1 or a 0, then vice versa?

HITS MED MAX AVG DUE SKIPS 2 3 4

0 0 456 11 15 13.69 1 12 4 10 15

0 1 365 14 32 17.11 2 32 10 18 4

1 1 289 16 23 21.61 1 23 20 7 11

1 0 369 17 29 16.92 1 15 18 29 3

8 8 268 8 12 23.30 1 12 10 1 6

8 9 348 9 21 17.94 1 9 9 6 21

9 9 524 11 25 11.92 2 25 14 7 1

9 8 369 9 31 16.92 0 6 11 4 31

Reply #44

garyo1954 — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 18:07:15 GMT

Look at the idea people......

Win D the Trapmaster. He's a character but always looking for the exploit. If you can track it, you can trap it.

TNtea. Vtracs. Mirrrors. Followers. 0 bring doubles and doubles brings 0s. Power trails (BobP)

destinycreation's TTT rundown. She mentions lottolaughs systems.

Yeah, pretty off the wall for me to mention geometric and pencil and paper workouts but understanding how they work and why they work is a good foundation for numbers.

Read idea peo... [ More ]

Reply #43

garyo1954 — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 16:53:13 GMT

Bob, you got me totally off guard with that.

Florida had 003 yesterday, Ohio had 038 and Texas last draw was 089.

So I'm lost. I've got 4 out 29 draws in the first position. But that shows the flaw in tracking low to high.

I might need two history files, one low to high order and one in hit order.

Reply #42

CARBOB — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 11:41:02 GMT

The digit 0 has skipped 32 draws according to my note keeping. Looking for 034

Reply #41

ScreamingMidget — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 07:19:26 GMT

Awesome. Would you happen to know any other Odds of the Pick 3 threads, or anyone I should look up that

always gave us different percentages and odds and stuff like that? I'm kinda working on a few things at once

and hoping to make them all work together.

Reply #40

garyo1954 — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 07:13:30 GMT

That's actually a good system!

I made $880 spending $5 a night in about a month. I didn't know what a wheel was, so I made sets with the numbers that hit the most the week before and made sure the sum was between 10 and 17.

Only one week did I have to borrow money from myself. And only because I took the itch to double up the night before. Borrowing money from myself means I went over my $30 per week limit.

Its definitely one of the better systems for anybody new to the lottery and peop... [ More ]

Reply #39

ScreamingMidget — Mon, 05 Dec 2016 05:25:30 GMT

So, I'm still interested in this post.

I came across another Beat the odds thread. Maybe it will help us get closer to using the 0,1 and 8,9 method.

Thread: https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/178451

Screenshot of my little setup:

When I change the Purple digit, it automatically updates the wheels/combos.

We know 0 1 usually hits in low position, and 8 9 hits in high position. This wheel covers

all 4 of those digits, now we just need to figure out ho... [ More ]

Reply #38

garyo1954 — Fri, 02 Dec 2016 01:10:53 GMT

And the winner is......

174

Got our 1.

Got our VLM.

Missed on the 74 which was a returning pair from the day draw.

Reply #37

garyo1954 — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 23:43:49 GMT

Discovering anything besides a dead end would be awesome Bob! Dead ends are easy to find! LOL

Now, don't let me get nuts here but....Texas is working with the third draw after a 0,1.....

Good time as any to jump in with more ideas. Remember the VLMH stuff? Ran that to see which of those sets have been out the longest.

Since we expect a 0 or 1 to follow the 0,1 in the first column, the one thing we know we know is there will be a V (0 or 1) in this draw. Now we need pairs that meet t... [ More ]

Reply #36

CARBOB — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:52:23 GMT

garyo,

I think you may have discovered something, with the multiple draw thingy. Bet he was thinking single draws only.

Reply #35

Jayhawk58 — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:51:02 GMT

Jayhawk, I'm doing the tracking draw to draw. When Texas had two draws a day I kept things separate, but now with 4 a day, things happen fast. We're likely to get a triple once a month.

I was pretty sure that was the answer. Thanks for answering.

I did look over some history and its very consistent following along mid to mid and eve to eve. Principle should be the same. Frequency is less but on target. Helpful for those who only play one draw in 2 draw states. I also looked at a couple o... [ More ]

Reply #34

garyo1954 — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 18:20:25 GMT

Jayhawk, I'm doing the tracking draw to draw. When Texas had two draws a day I kept things separate, but now with 4 a day, things happen fast. We're likely to get a triple once a month.

I would think when Thoth first posted all this, most states only had one draw a night. So it should make a difference.

Going to the dungeon.....

Later!

By the way, Thanks to you guys for getting rid of Charlie Strong. I didn't like the hire, until I read some of his philosophies. Then he seemed o... [ More ]

Reply #33

CARBOB — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:23:54 GMT

I wish Thoth would begin posting again

Reply #32

Tialuvslotto — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:12:50 GMT

Your input, Tia, is VERY MUCH APPRECIATED! Everything you add helps to formulate the next step in this process. If I could I'd steal your brain and get it done faster.

Thanks for the kind words, Gary. I am greatly enjoying this thread.

I can't lend out my brain, but this forum is the closest thing to a Vulcan mind meld that we have!

Live long and prosper.

Reply #31

Jayhawk58 — Thu, 01 Dec 2016 16:06:03 GMT

As far as a predictive method determining when a 0 or 1 or 8 or 9 will occur, it hasn't crossed my mind. To me this is a trap play. When I see a pair of 0 and 1 back to back (or an 8 and 9), I know 9 times out of 10 there will be another 0 or 1 (or 8 or 9) within three draws as just happened in Texas.......

Somewhere along the way I got lost as to whether this is draw to draw or based on mid to mid and eve to eve.

Clarification please....

I read quite a bit of Thoth's posts awhile back... [ More ]

Reply #30

garyo1954 — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 19:37:01 GMT

Here's the breakdown for Texas (13820 draws) through the morning draw. Since we're concerned with the first and third positions, we're only concerned with the N1 and N3 columns in red. And as you say, we have 49% chance of a 0 or 1 hitting in the first position and an 8 or 9 hitting in the third position.

Same result for Florida through the last 6228 draws......

You're definitely farther along than I am (probably farther than anyone here), haven't taken the time to... [ More ]

Reply #29

CARBOB — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:55:41 GMT

Thanks to SM, I finally got my head out. I know, full well GaryO and Tia know what they speak about.

Looks much better.

HITS MED MAX AVG DUE SKIPS 2 3 4

0 1 365 14 22 17.08 1 22 10 18 4

1 0 370 12 29 16.85 0 5 18 29 3

8 9 349 14 21 17.86 0 8 6 21 19

9 8 370 11 31 16.85 0 7 4 31 14

Reply #28

CARBOB — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:08:13 GMT

Thank you. I knew I had something wrong. My mind is getting old.

Reply #27

ScreamingMidget — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:46:46 GMT

sorting the draws lowest to highest, usually a 0 or 1 hits in the lowest, and an 8 or 9 hits in the highest.

Reply #26

CARBOB — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:12:40 GMT

I am probably not understanding what either of you are speaking about, this is what I came up with for Florida.

HITS MED MAX AVG DUE SKIPS 2 3 4

0 1 64 131 172 97.41 2 172 148 88 114

1 0 52 140 299 119.88 1 86 299 116 163

8 9 61 118 314 102.20 0 14 108 314 128

9 8 80 85 153 77.93 2 153 10 86 84

Reply #25

Tialuvslotto — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 14:34:44 GMT

Well, the low position will either be 0,1 or NOT 0,1. The percentages favor NOT (51%), but since 0,1 is only 2 digits while NOT is potentially 8 digits, I go with the former. But the 0,1 and the NOT both seem to run fairly long streaks a lot of the time. There are really 3 patterns: 0,1 run; NOT run or flipping back and forth. If only I could predict the pattern! Maybe RL has some ideas here?

Same, of course, applies to the 8,9 in the high position.

BTW, my statistics show that the probabi... [ More ]

Reply #24

garyo1954 — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 17:43:07 GMT

Glad to hear your voice!

You are right!

I've noticed several stacks. 8,7 in the third position and 2,1 in the first seem to work better in Texas than in Florida. That's a cursory look. Haven't gotten around to working through all the numbers. (between you and me I've been wracking my brain thinking about a program to find and count as many as possible all at once). I'm not good staring at a spreadsheet for more than few minutes before I want to write something that will do it for me!

If... [ More ]

Reply #23

Tialuvslotto — Tue, 29 Nov 2016 14:47:52 GMT

I believe Thoth called that a stack . The rule was:

0,1 Stack

When you see a 0 in the Low position immediately followed by a 1 (or 1 followed by 0) the odds of a 0 or 1 within 3 games is 85%

8,9 Stack

8 in the High position immediately followed by a 9 (or vice versa) 85% probability of another within 3 games

But, you will notice in your examples above that the same seems to apply for 0,0; 1,1; 8,8; and 9,9.

Reply #22

CARBOB — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:50:07 GMT

Fantastic job

Reply #21

garyo1954 — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:20:22 GMT

Thank you Bob! It's always good to hear good things about what you do. For my money, I'd take RL. He's got more bulldog and he's a better programmers too! Me? I'm more the old hound dog chewing on a bone.

Key is not just a girl I used to know. Thoth tossed out two keys. One was the 0, 1 and the 8, 9. It's unlikely you'll recognize these as Florida results, but that's what they are, sorted from low to high.

According to the theory every time a 0, 1 or 1, 0 hits in the first column, a 0 or 1... [ More ]

Reply #20

CARBOB — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 10:45:51 GMT

On this there are several people you must pay attention to their posts, you are one of them, RL is another. Thoth and I went back and forth and sometimes I must admit, he lost me. My old mind just can't keep up. You take your time and come forth with a plan. I will be waiting. Buzzards are circling.

Reply #19

ScreamingMidget — Mon, 28 Nov 2016 06:59:24 GMT

What do you mean by keys? I didn't see any mention of keys on the other threads. Thanks.

Reply #18

garyo1954 — Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:38:42 GMT

Thanks for the interest.

This is going to be a slow thread since I'm interested in how he determined his keys.

He had keys out to five.

I'm floundering at three. Then there is always the question if the Rule of Five was the result of an exploit he found or the result of the percentages of the game.

Either way, the keys work in Texas.

Downloaded Florida's draws for comparison.

If they work there its safe to say it doesn't matter if its an exploit due to the percentages, or in sp... [ More ]

Reply #17

ScreamingMidget — Sat, 26 Nov 2016 05:04:11 GMT

Thanks for this, will incorporate into my thinking/workouts. Still watching the thread for new information.

Reply #16

garyo1954 — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 00:09:11 GMT

Six month breakdown......600 draws per column......

Top five/six sets are the money sets. Rarely do they get out of whack. And even when they do they don't disappear.

Thoth's signature sets don't offer the same percentage. There are more one and done sets in his 55 signatures though.

Chart omits any signature below 2%.

Closer to a usable system.

Reply #15

garyo1954 — Thu, 24 Nov 2016 04:07:14 GMT

A couple of things stand out. One, these sets rarely hit back to back. Two, first glance a few sets will hit about 1 to three hits a month. Texas will average about 104 draws a month so, yeah......needs to be done. Run the sets on a month to month basis or 100 draws and see if we can pinpoint a limit.

No I do like this chart. It goes on and on......about 90 columns.......

Here's part of the signature portion (the 0,0 to 9,0) stuff. Hits are in yellow. I wanted to add the pair tra... [ More ]

Reply #14

garyo1954 — Tue, 22 Nov 2016 02:52:24 GMT

Pick 4 may be down the road, if at all. Need to modify the program to get Pick 4 data before anything.

Too much to do with Pick 3 to start thinking about any of that.

Reply #13

Sunglasses — Mon, 21 Nov 2016 20:30:50 GMT

Gary

Make a billion random drawings. That might do it.

Bugs Bunny

Reply #12

dr san — Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:08:44 GMT

Hello, gary get pick4 example

Reply #11

adamcustom — Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:27:04 GMT

Gary

I think you could generate say 4 or 5 databases each one of them with 100,000 RNG- generated draws with your real draws on top of each of them. That could give you a good kick start for analysis. That kind of joint analysis might give you an idea what kind of cross filtering gives the best results.

Adam

Reply #10

garyo1954 — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:59:04 GMT

I'm convinced you guys have the right idea.

Ran 100,000 while I watched the COWBOYS BEAT BALTIMORE!!!!

Put those through the program and found errors. Dumb stuff like, not needing the Game$, Date$, etc.

Suspect we'll need to do several sets of 100,000 to verify.

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!!

G

Reply #9

adamcustom — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 15:13:33 GMT

Gary

I think Tialuvslotto is absolutely correct. Why not RNG generate say 150,000 draws or as many as you wish then add on top pf them your real draws. Then delete say a couple of draws, run your analysis to check if and how it works.

Adam

Reply #8

Tialuvslotto — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 13:37:35 GMT

Since the game is essentially the same everywhere, there should be no reason not to combine mid and eve and combine across states. Plenty of data available. Or, I believe Jade uses a RNG to simulate millions of draws.

Reply #7

garyo1954 — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 04:04:41 GMT

One conclusion:

More data is essential.

While it would seem 13,700 draws are a lot, when you break that down by 1000 combos, some triples for example, have hit less than 10 times. Not much of anything to be found there.

Reply #6

garyo1954 — Sun, 20 Nov 2016 01:28:13 GMT

There are three types people in the world.

Those who rise in the morning hoping to challenge their brain.

Those who rise hoping to amuse their brain.

And those who rise hoping they find a brain.

Please...

If I'm ever trapped in an elevator with the third type, I promise to allow them last words before they commit suicide by drinking the poison in my pocket.

Reply #5

Sunglasses — Sat, 19 Nov 2016 20:35:36 GMT

1) Eat a Belgian waffle with chocolate.

2) Eat Belgian fries with mayo(n)naise or your favourite Heinz Ketchup, or English vinegar

3) Have a dark Belgian beer followed by a double mokka

4) Read again your own to update yourself with yourself.

5) Take a break before responding. Think first. Read slowly.

Reply #4

garyo1954 — Sat, 19 Nov 2016 19:02:16 GMT

Nothing like trying to make sense of a comment and Google saying it can't be translated in 132 languages.

From this we gather three things......

1) You emptied the beer keg before responding

2) Your keyboard is missing letters, or

3) Formulating a complete thought is too time consuming?

Fortunately, or unfortunately, I've found a major error, (or many minor ones), in the code which is less puzzling.

G

Reply #3

Sunglasses — Sat, 19 Nov 2016 12:50:54 GMT

You didn't want them by two.

with 0,X and X,0 being all doubles,

Not straight.

Reply #2

garyo1954 — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:37:16 GMT

And Thank You for the mind stimulation....lol!

Thoth is tough. He swam out in the deep water where most won't go, but want to know what's there.

Years ago I couldn't appreciate what he was saying. Takes time and thought.

But now, I'm sure he left posts hanging due to the replies. He wanted to give it time to sink in. He wanted people to think. He left room for questions which weren't being asked. Frustrating to bring the dog a steak and him expect you to chew it up for him.

Like th... [ More ]

Reply #1

Tialuvslotto — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 14:46:43 GMT

Thanks for this post, Gary! And thanks for reminding me of that old post -- time to get back to basics.

Thoth is tough work, but always worthwhile.

Tackling Thoth...

garyo1954 — Thu, 17 Nov 2016 22:09:27 GMT

So.......

I....uh.....redid the LMH chart in the Pick3 summary. Why?

Well, there's this post by jade about relating Pick3/4 to blackjack. In it there are a couple of interesting links.

One, Thoth's Distance indicator where Tialuvslotto describes how she breaks the sets into very low (0 1), low (2-3-4), mid (5-6-7), and high (8 9). Reading her explanation put LMH on burn notice, all the code was replaced with VLMH. Found here:

Distance indicator thread

Impressive breakdown. You ha... [ More ]