Where's the mathematics?

Reply #36

Soledad — Sat, 24 Nov 2018 08:33:34 GMT

For me, it is MANDATORY that I know how much each play costs me, and what type of win to expect .

I respect this statement. It s not something a lot of beginners tend to think about. It is something that I have started to think very seriously about. This can lead to better focus in my opinion. To focus on how much you spend causes you to focus more on what you bet and why, which ultimately leads to patience which is very necessary.

Reply #35

KY Floyd — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 07:16:19 GMT

I'm not sure what you meant in this statement.

What I mean is that lotteries offer a way to play based on sums because it's just one more way to let players spend their money. Period. It's because the lotteries know that some players think sums have some kind of significance, not because the lotteries think that sums have any significance beyond being a result people will bet on. At a basic level it's a variation on the close enough option offered by some lotteries. You may not have the winn... [ More ]

Reply #34

bobby623 — Sun, 18 Nov 2018 21:52:32 GMT

Lucky Loser

I thought I was done with this thread, but, I have additional comments to your last post to Soledad.

I'm a senior with a fixed income.

Lottery gambling is entertainment with a potential payback.

I have developed a workout I call 'Bob's Lottery Entertainment System' to guide my betting routine.

When I play, I rarely bet more than $25 per drawing for five sets in Pick 3, Daily 4, Cash 5 and either lotto or Two-Step.

Here are the results of my Saturday plays:

Pick 3... [ More ]

Reply #33

Lucky Loser — Sun, 18 Nov 2018 02:17:14 GMT

Soledad, the arithmetic I'm talking about is not so much what you've illustrated here but, if it works out then that's great. Combinatorics and progressive transposition will tell the player which they're going in terms of possible win percentage every time. For me, it is MANDATORY that I know how much each play costs me, and, what type of win to 'expect.' Our friend bobby continues talking about winning tickets that he has cashed and those he hasn't but, I've NEVER read where he disclosed how m... [ More ]

Reply #32

Soledad — Sun, 18 Nov 2018 00:57:18 GMT

Ok hi bobby623,

so when I say xxx,yyy,zzz, that s just to say I m talking about 3 full 3 digit numbers, not just 3 digits. So when I say add I m just saying add to the wheel. Yes of course with a group that large whichever one comes is a lucky shot . But they still come. Every week from that group. And every week from a different group. Same week. I know it s hard to bet, of course it is. Sometimes when you re rolling the wheels stop right in your tracks. Of course it s confusing.

So I wi... [ More ]

Reply #31

bobby623 — Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:23:08 GMT

Thanks for your reply, RL.

I agree that there is nothing about lottery play that can be correctly called 'easy'.

All we can do, in my opinion, is create a rational and logical plan based on specific rules of procedure that track the activity in a drawing machine, and stay with it.

I've found that using the power of substitution and other features provide a variety of data bases that reflect where a game has been and where it might be headed.

To win, all I have to do is evaluate the t... [ More ]

Reply #30

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sat, 17 Nov 2018 21:19:25 GMT

bobby

People argue the over the odds without really considering what the odds mean.

There is nothing that says a digit can't show more often than expected over a

period of drawings. There is also nothing in the odds that says that a digit can't

show far less.

Odds are based on the total population divided by the number of places the digit

or number takes up, that's it. Given the draw is fair, ie random, it's also fair to

say that the number of draws that contain a certain d... [ More ]

Reply #29

bobby623 — Sat, 17 Nov 2018 17:47:31 GMT

oate

I break a game into three mini-lottery machines.Machine A for digits 1,2 and 3; Machine B for digits 4,5, and 6 and Machine C for digits 7,8,9, and 0.

Yes, I do use some basic arithmetic to count the 'spaces' between 'followers' to track successive outputs from each machine.

There is absolutely no situation where I add, subtract, multiply or divide the digits, which are lined up in rows and/or columns according to specific rules of procedure.

I 'construct' combinations/arrangeme... [ More ]

Reply #28

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sat, 17 Nov 2018 14:45:14 GMT

I think analysis pays off, sometimes those patterns do continue. My main point is

that q-picks suck, it's like two drunk cowboys staggering around shooting into the

air, one bullet collides with the other causing it to ricochet off the church bell and

kills the guy robbing the bank. The cowboys split the reward.

RL

Reply #27

Soledad — Sat, 17 Nov 2018 14:10:05 GMT

I get what you re saying sure, 111000, when you find one thing sure it may work, but then you must find something else just as quick, picking your own, the game does even out sure nobody s denying that, and if whatever you pick does work well you got lucky at the right time is my opinion. But I ve been lucky enough to say it is something that I was able to follow. So in other words yeah I did follow it, and yeah I did pick it, so yeah I did do it. What matters really is whether or not you were c... [ More ]

Reply #26

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:58:07 GMT

The advertised odds are dead on for all games. We must remember that the odds are

calculated based on random selection. The question that needs asked is, Can we do

better than random.

Quick picks involve two random events, 1st the PRNG that's used to generate the Q-pick

and 2nd the apparatus used in the drawing. Playing self-picks removes one of these two

events but the 2nd is set in stone, it's random. Over time the game will mimic advertised

well established mathematical odd... [ More ]

Reply #25

GuesssWork — Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:50:38 GMT

So are there any ways to select numbers without math based computations then at all, besides quick picking just curious

Reply #24

oate — Fri, 16 Nov 2018 22:57:23 GMT

Bobby, I've read up on your substitution lottery workouts and they are essentially math-based. It seems you subscribe to a narrow definition of math that only includes things with equations or computations. But combinatorial/pattern matching/digit grouping methods such as yours are also mathematical.

If you contend the TX lottery machinery produces numbers in an unpredictable fashion (which I have no reason to doubt), then what is the point of doing any kind of workout? Why not save time and... [ More ]

Reply #23

Lucky Loser — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 23:19:05 GMT

An alternate conclusion would be that the lotteries saw another way to separate players from their money.

KY Floyd, I'm not sure what you meant in this statement. Unless a person simply cannot add three or four digits together and arrive at the number following that same three or four-digit combo, they shouldn't be playing any lottery game at all. The combo and the sum are one in the same, and compliment each other, with representing one of the many combos and its resultant sum. I'd argue tha... [ More ]

Reply #22

KY Floyd — Tue, 13 Nov 2018 05:08:42 GMT

the balls closest to the exit gate when it opens have the best chance of being in the final output arrangement.

That would be a very sensible conclusion if the balls tended to follow an orderly path and the timing was was such that the exit gate opens when the first balls are near it instead of when other balls are near it. If the path or paths, or the timing are random then there's no valid basis for the conlcusion.

have you ever heard of the word 'sums'?

I'll bet you've heard of Sa... [ More ]

Reply #21

Soledad — Tue, 13 Nov 2018 02:07:16 GMT

Ok, but I don t who or where anybody ever said ping pong balls are self-aware. Not sure of your conclusions there. I have by the way. Shown a system that does prove. No fee. Just posted here out of friendliness. I still don t understand what you mean by substitution, and that s fine, but is not the definition of substitution to replace something with something else. In math it s called a method. Just saying nothing else. I don t know who attacked your methods, but when I joined here people would... [ More ]

Reply #20

bobby623 — Tue, 13 Nov 2018 01:24:41 GMT

Lucky Loser

If you watch the Texas Pick 3 and Daily 4 drawings, how can you not know that the 'Sums' are totals that are applied 'outside' the drawing machines.

I'm really surprised you have an incorrect interpretation of what's actually happening.

As you point out, the Sums are a feature having an 'extra' fee.

BTW The Sums feature is going away next next March. It will be replaced with a feature called 'Fireball' and will cost extra.

I believe Fireball will actually be a secon... [ More ]

Reply #19

Lucky Loser — Mon, 12 Nov 2018 23:25:10 GMT

Others believe that the balls are 'self-aware' and can use some kind of 'lottery math' to control which balls with get through the exist gate to achieve a desired arrangement or combination.

If it's true that the balls are really just dumb objects being displaced by a random mix of compressed air and motion, then any application of mathematics to the 'output' is misleading and can result in false conclusions.

There is no mathematics to be found.

bobby, my good cyber friend, we ha... [ More ]

Reply #18

bobby623 — Sun, 11 Nov 2018 20:02:11 GMT

Kola

Thanks for your post.

It's amazing how different people can observe something and come away with different interpretations.

Take the activity inside the vessel.

Some folks say that every one of the 54 balls has the same chance of making it up the tube and down through the exit gate.

Others believe that the balls are 'self-aware' and can use some kind of 'lottery math' to control which balls with get through the exist gate to achieve a desired arrangement or combination.

Pe... [ More ]

Reply #17

Kola — Sun, 11 Nov 2018 18:02:17 GMT

Hello bobby,

I consider myself a newbie in This Game, and I forever will be, because just like within any field of study, there are usually more unknowns than than there are knowns . This fact helps me appreciate that I haven't even scratched the surface of trying to master This Game. It also serves to heighten my curiosity and ramp up my creativity, for there is a lot more out there to research and discover.

There is much about This Game of which I'm ignorant and haven't any knowledge of... [ More ]

Reply #16

Soledad — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 18:34:14 GMT

I think I might have been wrong about the dollars spent betting. I apologize. Regardless, you can still make money on it and it will still work. If you look down throughout the year you will see. Point is you re all looking for something that you can understand and see, but perhaps you should be thinking and looking for the opposite of that. Anyways you re welcome Tex.

Reply #15

Soledad — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 14:34:05 GMT

Ok, but yes it is about winning. And this idea in terms of betting has an exponential form to it. So everyday you re adding 4 more bets to the first four, but you re only dealing with around 25 numbers to bet total by the end of the month. Well the dollars do add up as you get to the end of the month. Around $1200 bucks each month, I believe, if you were to play every single number every single game.

But like you said it is about winning, but for arguments sake, let s just look at it in this

Reply #14

Soledad — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:07:42 GMT

Look, it s like back when we were all in math class, the teacher said if you don t show you re work and the answer s right you still get it wrong. Math is just a way of following something. We all follow things every day. It s a manner of tracking what you see. What can be wrong with that?

Yes, lottery is a little different obviously. But even when we look at the result, we are still following it. There can be so many ways to follow something. We are all different in the ways we think. But if... [ More ]

Reply #13

KY Floyd — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 07:51:57 GMT

some here will tell you adding or subtracting this or that from previous drawings is sound math.

It is sound math, assuming you do it correctly. Of course it's just recreational math, and it won't tell you anything useful about the lottery.

I believe the chaos in the drawing machine distorts the game's design statistics to the degree that knowing probabilities is worthless information.

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say. If it's that thoroughly mixing a bunch of bal... [ More ]

Reply #12

oate — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 05:45:42 GMT

I'm not reading anything that would change my opinion that math-based workouts are essentially worthless.

What exactly is a non-math-based lottery system? Always playing 01-02-03-04-05-06 in Powerball? Looking in the toilet each morning and making out the shapes of numbers in your turds for the morning Pick 3? Unless your systems are 100% based on kookiness and superstition, you're using math, whether you realize it or not.

Reply #11

Stack47 — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 05:02:00 GMT

but never demonstrate how math-based systems can win.

I'm pretty sure most mathematicians look at the 50% edge and understand how difficult creating a winning system can be. That doesn't mean it's impossible to create something either math based or non-math system[s] that can outperform the edge because 50% works both ways; $1 million in pick-3 sales translates into $500,000 in prize winnings.

I'm hoping that our recent posts about mathematics has been useful.

Every wonder why there... [ More ]

Reply #10

bobby623 — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 04:11:18 GMT

It's not matter of being right or wrong.

It's about winning.

However, I'm personally offended when mathematicians say that non-math based workouts are worthless, but never demonstrate how math-based systems can win.

They seem content with just stating a lot of 'mumbo jumbo' stuff that has no practical application.

Lottery Post is a good place where folks can give their opinions on any lottery topic.

I'm hoping that our recent posts about mathematics has been useful.... [ More ]

Reply #9

Soledad — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:34:14 GMT

Check the week of March 5th too. Exact same way. Only less money spent before the win. I m just picking these randomly and looking. Took me maybe a few minutes total. One number. Happy hunting my man. You re welcome Texas.

Reply #8

Soledad — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:18:50 GMT

Here s another one my man. Seriously you re lucky I m saying this one to you. First time outside of 562soldiers blog I have publicly. Monday Texas draws , 793x111x998=87,846,954. Then that number divide by 933 until you get a 3 number. Well that 3 number was 100. Oh and look 010 came tonight in Texas. Doubles, one number. Same week. You can t get better than that. I m sorry. And yes I have used that before and won.

Just because you don t believe something doesn t mean you have to force others... [ More ]

Reply #7

bobby623 — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:06:58 GMT

I'm not a mathematician but I believe the chaos in the drawing machine distorts the game's design statistics to the degree that knowing probabilities is worthless information.

The odds don't change, but how can anyone know in advance what the probabilities are at any point in time?

I wonder what we would see if we compared the last 50 draws with the game's 'in the box' stats for the same number of draws.

It would be like day and night, in my opinion.

It seems to me that basing my pla... [ More ]

Reply #6

Soledad — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:04:00 GMT

Here s one from Tex . November 1st live drawings 148 then 517. Lottery Math 148+517=655. Monday November 5th, 556 live draw . 10 drawings later, $150 profit. Seems pretty simple to me, even for you. Go check to see how many times you see that. Or just keep blaming the Lottery Commissions for everything. Well if you did blame them you wouldn t play $1. There s some real math for you. But I guess we re getting into politics now. Not much real discussion here for that.

Took me all of 5 seconds t... [ More ]

Reply #5

Soledad — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 02:54:21 GMT

What are you talking about? Oh I see, you re just proving that most discussions on THIS website merely go in circles with no point or direction. Limited. Very. Try reading a book, or telling a better joke. One with a point that is.

Reply #4

Tucker Black — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 01:17:15 GMT

On their website or on the back of a playslip is the probabilities of winning. They've done the math for you.

Reply #3

Lucky Loser — Tue, 06 Nov 2018 00:04:46 GMT

Thanks, Stack

Reply #2

Stack47 — Mon, 05 Nov 2018 23:51:34 GMT

The only math is in the probabilities and odds, but some here will tell you adding or subtracting this or that from previous drawings is sound math.

Reply #1

aux8b — Mon, 05 Nov 2018 23:46:47 GMT

He put his finger prints on the pick 4 and pick 3 balls.

Where's the mathematics?

bobby623 — Mon, 05 Nov 2018 22:14:29 GMT

Seems a lot of lottery gamblers believe you can win a game with mathematics.

Here's a challenge:

Go to www.txlottery.org

Click on Games

Click on Drawings - Web Cast

Click on Past Drawings - Nov. 3, 2018 (10:12 pm.}

Watch the Lotto Texas drawing machine at work.

Question- Where's the mathematics??

I've searched long and hard.

Couldn't find any!!

How about you