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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Nov 5, 2018
It's not matter of being right or wrong.
It's about winning.
However, I'm personally offended when mathematicians say that non-math based workouts are worthless, but never demonstrate how math-based systems can win.
They seem content with just stating a lot of 'mumbo jumbo' stuff that has no practical application.
Lottery Post is a good place where folks can give their opinions on any lottery topic.
I'm hoping that our recent posts about mathematics has been useful.

Ok, but yes it is about winning. And this idea in terms of betting has an exponential form to it. So everyday you’re adding 4 more bets to the first four, but you’re only dealing with around 25 numbers to bet total by the end of the month. Well the dollars do add up as you get to the end of the month. Around $1200 bucks each month, I believe, if you were to play every single number every single game.

But like you said it is about winning, but for arguments sake, let’s just look at it in this all or nothing approach.

January well it was a wash ok. Big time loser. The only shining star was an 027 straight that came right after okay. Other than that there were only two boxes. Those were all the hits for the month.

February made 4 straights and 3 boxes. Profitable $80 (50/50 approach) ($1 straight approach and you’ve made some money $800)

March made 4 straights as well and 5 boxes. Profitable again $160 or $800. Certainly covers January, with a cherry on top.

Now look most would not think of playing every single number every single game or maybe even have the extra money to spend ok. I certainly get that. But you’ve just been shown a math based system that produced 9 straights and 10 boxes over a period of 3 months all after the system produced the numbers and only looking at them in the month that they were produced. There were a few from the month before that showed in the following month but I did not include those.

Sometimes you do the right thing just because it’s right.

Life's a game of mathematics, if you can't figure that out I don't know what to tell you.
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I think I might have been wrong about the dollars spent betting. I apologize. Regardless, you can still make money on it and it will still work. If you look down throughout the year you will see. Point is you’re all looking for something that you can understand and see, but perhaps you should be thinking and looking for the opposite of that. Anyways you’re welcome Tex.

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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Nov 5, 2018
Seems a lot of lottery gamblers believe you can win a game with mathematics.
Here's a challenge:
Go to www.txlottery.org
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Click on Drawings - Web Cast
Click on Past Drawings - Nov. 3, 2018 (10:12 pm.}
Watch the Lotto Texas drawing machine at work.
Question- Where's the mathematics??

I've searched long and hard.
Couldn't find any!!
How about you??

Hello bobby,

I consider myself a newbie in This Game, and I forever will be, because just like within any field of study, there are usually more "unknowns" than than there are "knowns". This fact helps me appreciate that I haven't even scratched the surface of trying to master This Game. It also serves to heighten my curiosity and ramp up my creativity, for there is a lot more out there to research and discover.

There is much about This Game of which I'm ignorant and haven't any knowledge of how to do. This is probably the case for most people, but just because I haven't been able to do something, and have never seen or heard of someone being able to do it, doesn't mean it's not being done. I humbly ask that you trust me when I say to you that, it is indeed true, one can consistently and successfully apply mathematics to the lottery. In my travels, I was fortunate to come across someone doing this very thing, defying the "rules of randomness" by using simple arithmetic to masterfully ride This Game and buck the odds. What the person was doing has huge far-ranging implications, but short of that, the memory of that person continually inspires me to keep learning and striving to play This Game well.

Generally speaking though, I do believe that This Game can be played well with any tool one feels comfortable using. Arithmetic, creative mathemagical arithmetic, your substitution method, physics, runes, dreams, statistical analysis, calc geometry, numerology, the cracks of my shoe - lol, and etcetara. They all can work well, if applied well(that's the hard part!). Admittedly, some of these tools are more straightfoward to use than others, but generally speaking, each of them spits out the same data. Hard to believe in some cases, because they use different languages to do so, but there is a thread of coherence and mutual resonance connecting all tools.

The main "problem" with tools, methods and systems are the operators of them. Us. Our vision, our capacity to see and interpret, has been shaped by life. I realize that Everything I Am - my politics, gender, race, spirituality, education, my good times and traumas, my loves, humor, bias and the whole rest of it, all of my experiences, every second of the day from birth until now, is the person, I bring to the table with me when I sit to work on This Game. Knowing this is a nod toward transcending my limitations, because it reminds me of them and forces me to constantly re-contextualize and expand my approaches to the lottery.

Anyway, I appreciate you starting the thread Bobby. Good luck to you and All!

The Ancient Lottery LoreKeeper replied, "A past draw lies at the centerpoint of a circle - a black hole. Two overlapping circles whose centerpoints sit on the circumference of the other share a Common Radius. This Radius is a Wormhole, a Time Machine. It allows the past draw (info) to safely travel into and beyond the present draw's event horizon without negative distortion, thereby creating an entanglement (synchrony) between the two communicating draws. This entangled space or portal is the Vesica Piscis - the white hole or Stargate through which the next draw is born."
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Kola
Thanks for your post.
It's amazing how different people can observe something and come away with different interpretations.
Take the activity inside the vessel.
Some folks say that every one of the 54 balls has the same chance of making it up the tube and down through the exit gate.
Others believe that the balls are 'self-aware' and can use some kind of 'lottery math' to control which balls with get through the exist gate to achieve a desired arrangement or combination.
Personally, I believe each of balls has the same chance, but, that's not the issue.
It's the final 'output' that manners.
If it's true that the balls are really just dumb objects being displaced by a random mix of compressed air and motion, then any application of mathematics to the 'output' is misleading and can result in false conclusions.
In other words, any workout using game drawing history based on mathematical actions in the drawing machine that 'never occurred' can't be valid.
In my opinion, the most valid workouts are those that are based on 'reality', which is, that the balls are simply being moved around, and that the balls closest to the exit gate when it opens have the best chance of being in the final output arrangement.
I believe what I observe.
There is no mathematics to be found.
Therefore, my substitution methods using tracking charts reflecting the non-math drawing machine outputs are valid, even though some applications require kindergarten-level arithmetic.
But, it's a free country.
If you (generic) believe adding values, which is required by all math-based workouts that I know of, will provide a winning combination - give it a try. Who knows. You might have a 'lucky shot' now and then.
As for me, I prefer non-math charts that provide numerous clues about possible future events, just like the drawing machine outputs.
All I have to do is make the right choices.
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Quote: Originally posted by bobby623 on Nov 11, 2018
Kola
Thanks for your post.
It's amazing how different people can observe something and come away with different interpretations.
Take the activity inside the vessel.
Some folks say that every one of the 54 balls has the same chance of making it up the tube and down through the exit gate.
Others believe that the balls are 'self-aware' and can use some kind of 'lottery math' to control which balls with get through the exist gate to achieve a desired arrangement or combination.
Personally, I believe each of balls has the same chance, but, that's not the issue.
It's the final 'output' that manners.
If it's true that the balls are really just dumb objects being displaced by a random mix of compressed air and motion, then any application of mathematics to the 'output' is misleading and can result in false conclusions.
In other words, any workout using game drawing history based on mathematical actions in the drawing machine that 'never occurred' can't be valid.
In my opinion, the most valid workouts are those that are based on 'reality', which is, that the balls are simply being moved around, and that the balls closest to the exit gate when it opens have the best chance of being in the final output arrangement.
I believe what I observe.
There is no mathematics to be found.
Therefore, my substitution methods using tracking charts reflecting the non-math drawing machine outputs are valid, even though some applications require kindergarten-level arithmetic.
But, it's a free country.
If you (generic) believe adding values, which is required by all math-based workouts that I know of, will provide a winning combination - give it a try. Who knows. You might have a 'lucky shot' now and then.
As for me, I prefer non-math charts that provide numerous clues about possible future events, just like the drawing machine outputs.
All I have to do is make the right choices.

Others believe that the balls are 'self-aware' and can use some kind of 'lottery math' to control which balls with get through the exist gate to achieve a desired arrangement or combination.

If it's true that the balls are really just dumb objects being displaced by a random mix of compressed air and motion, then any application of mathematics to the 'output' is misleading and can result in false conclusions.

There is no mathematics to be found.

bobby, my good cyber friend, we have to stop meeting like this! Seriously! So many times, I'll read something that's either patently false or can be debated with some heavy and credible merit in my corner. This happens to be one of those things...again. bobby, have you ever heard of the word 'sums'? Now, I'll be honest in that this term-approach cannot be effectively applied in PB, MM's, or any of the big games. However, sums are just the most basic and simple forms of one type of math that sooooooo many players incorporate into their approaches in the Pick games, okay. That little number sitting and the end of each Pick/4 combination....that's the guy. You can only get there by....math. Apparently, the lotteries felt compelled enough to start including this sum as means of an additional way too consider playing. For the record, I honestly tried to leave this alone but, I just couldn't. It wouldn't have been the right thing to do when others are reading these threads and are influenced, bobby. We know you like your method, and accept that, but do not discount math as it's clearly fundamental here. Cheers!

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Quote: Originally posted by Lucky Loser on Nov 12, 2018
Others believe that the balls are 'self-aware' and can use some kind of 'lottery math' to control which balls with get through the exist gate to achieve a desired arrangement or combination.

If it's true that the balls are really just dumb objects being displaced by a random mix of compressed air and motion, then any application of mathematics to the 'output' is misleading and can result in false conclusions.

There is no mathematics to be found.

bobby, my good cyber friend, we have to stop meeting like this! Seriously! So many times, I'll read something that's either patently false or can be debated with some heavy and credible merit in my corner. This happens to be one of those things...again. bobby, have you ever heard of the word 'sums'? Now, I'll be honest in that this term-approach cannot be effectively applied in PB, MM's, or any of the big games. However, sums are just the most basic and simple forms of one type of math that sooooooo many players incorporate into their approaches in the Pick games, okay. That little number sitting and the end of each Pick/4 combination....that's the guy. You can only get there by....math. Apparently, the lotteries felt compelled enough to start including this sum as means of an additional way too consider playing. For the record, I honestly tried to leave this alone but, I just couldn't. It wouldn't have been the right thing to do when others are reading these threads and are influenced, bobby. We know you like your method, and accept that, but do not discount math as it's clearly fundamental here. Cheers!

Lucky Loser
If you watch the Texas Pick 3 and Daily 4 drawings, how can you not know that the 'Sums' are totals that are applied 'outside' the drawing machines.
I'm really surprised you have an incorrect interpretation of what's actually happening.

As you point out, the Sums are a feature having an 'extra' fee.
BTW The Sums feature is going away next next March. It will be replaced with a feature called 'Fireball' and will cost extra.
I believe Fireball will actually be a second drawing.
If a player matches the one number drawn, he or she can change their original play to overcome a 'lost by one' situation and win a prize.
Some states are already playing this 'add-on' game.

Yes, you are correct.
Lots of gamblers use mathematics to generate their plays.
This because 90 percent of them are being overly influenced by mathematicians who claim they know the way, but never actually prove it by posting a winning method supported with a winning ticket.
It seems hoping for a 'lucky shot' is worth whatever they are paying.
Creating a workout where the balls are ''arranged' and 'rearranged' like they are in a drawing machine is apparently too difficult.

My message is that non-math methods are just as good or better than any of the math-based methods posted here in LP and elsewhere.

It's a to each his own situation, my friend.
You go your way, I'll go mine.

Thanks for your interest.
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Nov 12, 2018, 9:07 pm

Ok, but I don’t who or where anybody ever said ping pong balls are self-aware. Not sure of your conclusions there. I have by the way. Shown a system that does prove. No fee. Just posted here out of friendliness. I still don’t understand what you mean by substitution, and that’s fine, but is not the definition of substitution to replace something with something else. In math it’s called a method. Just saying nothing else. I don’t know who attacked your methods, but when I joined here people would try to help each other. And if they had nothing to say well they said nothing. Anyways all the best. And good luck as they say. To each their own yes. Take care.

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"the balls closest to the exit gate when it opens have the best chance of being in the final output arrangement."

That would be a very sensible conclusion if the balls tended to follow an orderly path and the timing was was such that the exit gate opens when the first balls are near it instead of when other balls are near it. If the path or paths, or the timing are random then there's no valid basis for the conlcusion.

"have you ever heard of the word 'sums'?"

I'll bet you've heard of Santa Claus. Does that mean that you think he's real?

"Apparently, the lotteries felt compelled enough to start including this sum as means of an additional way too consider playing."

An alternate conclusion would be that the lotteries saw another way to separate players from their money.
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Nov 15, 2018, 6:19 pm

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Nov 13, 2018
"the balls closest to the exit gate when it opens have the best chance of being in the final output arrangement."

That would be a very sensible conclusion if the balls tended to follow an orderly path and the timing was was such that the exit gate opens when the first balls are near it instead of when other balls are near it. If the path or paths, or the timing are random then there's no valid basis for the conlcusion.

"have you ever heard of the word 'sums'?"

I'll bet you've heard of Santa Claus. Does that mean that you think he's real?

"Apparently, the lotteries felt compelled enough to start including this sum as means of an additional way too consider playing."

An alternate conclusion would be that the lotteries saw another way to separate players from their money.

An alternate conclusion would be that the lotteries saw another way to separate players from their money.

KY Floyd, I'm not sure what you meant in this statement. Unless a person simply cannot add three or four digits together and arrive at the number following that same three or four-digit combo, they shouldn't be playing any lottery game at all. The combo and the sum are one in the same, and compliment each other, with representing one of the many combos and its resultant sum. I'd argue that the lotteries already do a great job of separating players from their money by introducing new games as often as they do and advertising all that PB or MM's money to be won by 2-3 people at best. My response to bobby was simply solidifying that there is math to be found inside the containment where the balls are agitated because there are numbers present. I don't care what method any player uses because, at the end of the day and after the official draw, that combo is still represented by a sum and vice versa. The winning combo, for instance, can be 8-1-2. The number (8) can be substituted with 'A', the number (1) with 'F', and the number (2) with 'Z.' In the end, though, we're still dealing with a sum and, in fact, a total of three individual sums when further itemized.

Positions 'A' and 'F' total (9). Positions 'F' and 'Z' total (3). Positions 'A' and 'Z' total (10). What I just did is a form of substitution and I'll bet I'm very close to what bobby is doing with his method which is fine, okay. Still, when that winning number was drawn, the sum was still (11) which was represented by the corresponding combo. The alphabets 'A', 'F', and 'Z' did not win in this draw, the numbers 8-1-2 did. We can dance all around it all day but, sums are 100% relevant and are represented by math and numerical combos.

I'll bet you've heard of Santa Claus. Does that mean that you think he's real?

For a while, yes, I believed in him and I'll bet you did to. Even after I was all grown up, I realized that he was actually real...because he was now 'me' and I'm sure that you're now Santa to some nieces, nephews, or maybe grand children. Right? You wouldn't dare rain on any of their parades if they told you Santa is coming in about a month, now would you? When we learn better, we must do better. I believe in sums...because they are real.

Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

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Nov 16, 2018, 5:57 pm

Bobby, I've read up on your substitution lottery workouts and they are essentially math-based. It seems you subscribe to a narrow definition of math that only includes things with equations or computations. But combinatorial/pattern matching/digit grouping methods such as yours are also mathematical.

If you contend the TX lottery machinery produces numbers in an unpredictable fashion (which I have no reason to doubt), then what is the point of doing any kind of workout? Why not save time and use quick picks?

Anyway, best of luck to you.

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Quote: Originally posted by oate on Nov 16, 2018
Bobby, I've read up on your substitution lottery workouts and they are essentially math-based. It seems you subscribe to a narrow definition of math that only includes things with equations or computations. But combinatorial/pattern matching/digit grouping methods such as yours are also mathematical.

If you contend the TX lottery machinery produces numbers in an unpredictable fashion (which I have no reason to doubt), then what is the point of doing any kind of workout? Why not save time and use quick picks?

Anyway, best of luck to you.

So are there any ways to select numbers without math based computations then at all, besides quick picking just curious?

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Quote: Originally posted by Soledad on Nov 5, 2018
Here’s another one my man. Seriously you’re lucky I’m saying this one to you. First time outside of 562soldiers blog I have publicly. Monday Texas draws , 793x111x998=87,846,954. Then that number divide by 933 until you get a 3 number. Well that 3 number was 100. Oh and look 010 came tonight in Texas. Doubles, one number. Same week. You can’t get better than that. I’m sorry. And yes I have used that before and won.

Just because you don’t believe something doesn’t mean you have to force others to not believe. But that seems to be the problem going around in this country these days. Everybody’s right and nobody listens.

The advertised odds are dead on for all games. We must remember that the odds are

calculated based on random selection. The question that needs asked is, "Can we do

better than random."

Quick picks involve two random events, 1st the PRNG that's used to generate the Q-pick

and 2nd the apparatus used in the drawing. Playing self-picks removes one of these two

events but the 2nd is set in stone, it's random. Over time the game will mimic advertised

well established mathematical odds. Again, the numbers, digits etc.. are randomly selected

so over time they will follow the established odds no ifs ands or buts.

With all this said, our selections are not random if we play self-picks. If somehow our analysis

does produce some fruit it would be very hard to prove it was due to something we did as

statistics allows for most anything. Even randomly generated data can produce something

like 111000111000111000, will it repeat, when it comes to random who knows.

Note! When I say random, I am referring to random enough, true random does not exist.

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Quote: Originally posted by RL-RANDOMLOGIC on Nov 17, 2018
The advertised odds are dead on for all games. We must remember that the odds are

calculated based on random selection. The question that needs asked is, "Can we do

better than random."

Quick picks involve two random events, 1st the PRNG that's used to generate the Q-pick

and 2nd the apparatus used in the drawing. Playing self-picks removes one of these two

events but the 2nd is set in stone, it's random. Over time the game will mimic advertised

well established mathematical odds. Again, the numbers, digits etc.. are randomly selected

so over time they will follow the established odds no ifs ands or buts.

With all this said, our selections are not random if we play self-picks. If somehow our analysis

does produce some fruit it would be very hard to prove it was due to something we did as

statistics allows for most anything. Even randomly generated data can produce something

like 111000111000111000, will it repeat, when it comes to random who knows.

Note! When I say random, I am referring to random enough, true random does not exist.

RL

I get what you’re saying sure, 111000, when you find one thing sure it may work, but then you must find something else just as quick, picking your own, the game does even out sure nobody’s denying that, and if whatever you pick does work well you got lucky at the right time is my opinion. But I’ve been lucky enough to say it is something that I was able to follow. So in other words yeah I did follow it, and yeah I did pick it, so yeah I did do it. What matters really is whether or not you were correct and won some free money. The point of all systems should be will you make money? Some do that, or say that, and some don’t. There are so many other factors in terms of thinking about what and when and how, it would be fruitless to even try to understand all of it. Thanks for chiming in RL, nice to hear from ya.

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I think analysis pays off, sometimes those patterns do continue. My main point is

that q-picks suck, it's like two drunk cowboys staggering around shooting into the

air, one bullet collides with the other causing it to ricochet off the church bell and

kills the guy robbing the bank. The cowboys split the reward.

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oate
I break a game into three mini-lottery machines.Machine A for digits 1,2 and 3; Machine B for digits 4,5, and 6 and Machine C for digits 7,8,9, and 0.
Yes, I do use some basic arithmetic to count the 'spaces' between 'followers' to track successive outputs from each machine.
There is absolutely no situation where I add, subtract, multiply or divide the digits, which are lined up in rows and/or columns according to specific rules of procedure.
I 'construct' combinations/arrangements/permutations according to specific rules.If I need an 'A' digit, I have 'trend' lines that help me choose (guess) which of the three digits could be in 'next' winning arrangement.
Yes, I do use some basic arithmetic in the generation of the 'trend' lines.Here is a sample of the 'trend' lines.

Sum4-8788898
Sum2-4345445
GFols-1223131
Sum3-5657675
Sum5-1091910

Sum4 = Sum of last 4 followers in the GFols row.
Sum2 - Sum of last 2 followers in the GFols row.
Sum3 = Sum of last 3 followers in the GFols row.
Sum5 = Sum of last 5 followers in the GFols row.

GFols = Gap Followers from Machine A.

Again, at no point do I ever apply any kind of mathematics to the 'A' digits.

The question is WHAT'S NEXT??

I analyze, evaluate each of the 5 trend lines and CHOOSE/GUESS.
It's called "educated guesswork".

If I need two A digits, I adjust the data and make a second choice without repeating the initial choice.

As for the self pick vs Quick Pick question.

I have about $600 worth of uncashed winning tickets for the games I play, including a $350 4/5 pick in Texas Cash 5.

I'll send you copies if you provide an email address.

I have redeemed a dozen Free Cash 5 tickets and won absolutely nothing.

You go ahead and buy the QPs, I'll stick with the self picks.

Soledad

I have viewed over a hundred lottery drawing.Sorry, but I have never seen 'XXX' being added to 'YYY' to achieve 'ZZZ' in the drawing machine output.You are obviously doing some kind of after-the-fact back testing mathematics that has resulted in what I call 'lucky shot' wins.Keep up the good work!

RL-RandomLogic

Welcome to the thread. Your input is always interesting.

Have a question regarding probability.

It would seem logical that the folks who design the lottery games generate charts showing how often the individual numbers/digits will appear during 'X' number of revolutions/drawings.

Lets say the digit 3, for example, is expected to show up '10' times in 100 drawings.

Now comes the random actions in a drawing machine where the '3' arrives in the output 18 times in 100 drawings.

Is the 'probability' the same?

I know the 'odds' of a game matrix never change, but it seems to me that the probability of reality would be different from the theoretical for the same number of revolutions.
But, I don't worry about odds and probabilities in the mini-drawing machines I use in my NON-MATH Substitution Workouts.
Trends and Followers is the name of my game.

Thanks for your reply.

For All.

FYI I have discovered that analyzing a game using Game History charts according to Day and Draw Time are superior than history charts where winning results from ALL draws are mixed.Of course, this means I have to create many additional tracking charts.I've tracked Texas Cash 5 for years and only had three 4/5 wins, compared to one in the last 8 draws for the Thursday/10 pm drawings.

Good luck!!

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