Tinkermen Lotto Report - General Explanation of Mathematical Discovery needed

Reply #88

Todd — Thu, 16 May 2019 20:33:21 GMT

Seeing as the OP deleted the video and ran away, I'll go ahead and lock this thread.

Anyone wanting to resume any discussion about it, please create a new thread in the Mathematics forum and in the first post include a link to this thread https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/326903

Reply #87

cottoneyedjoe — Thu, 16 May 2019 20:26:35 GMT

Since leaving Lottery Post, Tinkermen has added a new section to his website. I won't link to it but you can find it under the Play tab. It looks like he's taking things in a different direction.

Reply #86

Mr-B 216 — Thu, 16 May 2019 12:38:34 GMT

Anybody have any lotto math ideas for pick-3 and pick-4 games?

https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/326944

Reply #85

Stack47 — Thu, 16 May 2019 04:47:17 GMT

When was the last time a PB or MM jackpot winner or even a second prize winner said my years of back testing finally paid off ?

Might be a few 5/39 type game jackpot winners with systems, but they are usually anonymous whether they want to be or not.

I believe we all have combined, the correct answers to helping thousands of people win/split lottery jackpots all over the world.

Or we could buy the world a Coke. Somebody mentioned he didn't research much, but I'm not sure if did any re... [ More ]

Reply #84

bobby623 — Wed, 15 May 2019 21:14:44 GMT

I'm still waiting for an answer to my Gail Howard question.

If she used math to win millions in her hey day, why isn't that math working today?

I'm sure the answer will be that the math is good, it's the Users who don't know how to apply it correctly. LOL

Poor Tinerman.

In lieu of LP, he should have found a mathematician who could lay out one version for the World to adopt or reject.

Besides, I doubt he has the skills to merge a half dozen systems, or tools, or whatever, anyway.... [ More ]

Reply #83

garyo1954 — Wed, 15 May 2019 18:37:01 GMT

Agreed! Everything is fine.

And getting better. New roof done. Trees removed. Repairs to the shed done. Next up is the tankless hot water heater. It will be an improvement over the old tank heater, and I'll be ready for the next storm.

Or maybe I'll just enjoy hot water again!

G

Reply #82

AllenB — Wed, 15 May 2019 17:52:49 GMT

Enough about Tinkerman.

He Quit!

Back to My Data Cave

Reply #81

Mr-B 216 — Wed, 15 May 2019 16:28:46 GMT

It's all good garyo. You and I have different expectations here, as well as different points of view. That is how this world works. No right, no wrong, just my view and your view.

Reply #80

garyo1954 — Wed, 15 May 2019 15:48:39 GMT

The was no condemnation. There was no accusation of freeloading. But as you say life's experience has taught (you) to see and hear what you want (same as everyone else). If he's convinced you he was accosted, condemned and called a freeloader, so be it.

I said I would ask hard questions, and I asked the hard questions. And you see how he only started feeling sorry for himself and playing to your pity when he wouldn't answer the questions and the questions wouldn't go away. (For all any of... [ More ]

Reply #79

AllenB — Wed, 15 May 2019 13:43:30 GMT

Ditto

Reply #78

AllenB — Wed, 15 May 2019 13:42:02 GMT

I thought about this overnight and ended up breaking this Topic as presented by Tinkerman into 2 Parts. If you set all of the Reporter, College, Discovery and Benevolence aside, there is some real Meat in the General Discussion generated by the Starter.

The General Discussion going on in my head does not focus on any specific set of data (so it excludes Decades at this point). Rather I is a look at one of those pictures that I Posted of the many Columns of Data that can be assembled in Excel... [ More ]

Reply #77

Mr-B 216 — Wed, 15 May 2019 13:30:10 GMT

IMO, the only thing Tinkermen is guilty of is not digging deep enough during his research before deciding to come here to continue his research. Other than that, I see no reason to continue to condemn him for asking for help from us while he in turn is looking to help others. Suggesting he's some kind of ego driven freeloader???? I just don't see it that way at all. What is a person supposed to do when they are lost, and looking for help? If asking for help = freeloader, then I must have skipped... [ More ]

Reply #76

AllenB — Wed, 15 May 2019 01:05:34 GMT

Tinkerman,

I hate to say this Bud, but you failed.

You failed to understand what You were asking and who you were asking her on Lottery Post.

Granted, Gary has given you a hard Time; but Everything you have been told is Absolutely Honest.

You can set yourself up here and in life by how you express yourself. Thinking you have discovered something new and Then Stating that it is in Fact New will always trigger a Rigorous Response. Most of us here that Know when Something is Not New ha... [ More ]

Reply #75

Stack47 — Wed, 15 May 2019 00:09:15 GMT

(I also stated you didn't do any research.)

And I figured that out when he said My history does actually, in fact, go back to Gayle Howard herself and doubt he even looked at her website (it's actually Gail not Gayle ). But there is a soccer player from UK named Howard Gayle.

Found it interesting that an LP poster Marcie said she had conversations with Gail too.

Reply #74

Stack47 — Tue, 14 May 2019 23:15:00 GMT

for help with a 'General Explanation' as to how to understand and explain to the rest of the world (Who has absolutely no idea that Lotto Probability Draw Pattern Mathematics) or (Past Draws can be separated into groups like that) even exist

The thing is we had that discussion last month, but without the author ever explaining their definition of basic patterns. I see nothing in your analysis disproving what I said in that thread If there are patterns, they are simply probability plus or min... [ More ]

Reply #73

AdvancedAlgos — Tue, 14 May 2019 23:02:36 GMT

The best way to test any theory about a lotto system is to generate a list of numbers before each drawing using the system and seeing if it works. Back testing systems has flaws sometimes.

Post up a big list of numbers for a lotto and if when compared to randomly generated numbers your list outperformed by a lot, maybe its worth looking at.

Reply #72

garyo1954 — Tue, 14 May 2019 22:45:19 GMT

You spread more crap than any manure spreader I've ever seen.

All these noble ideas you contend come down to, I want a newspaper article, I want a webpage and I want to write a Wiki. I want to make history! (The fact you posted your website claiming we'd be shocked at your discovery puts a glitch in the I'm just wanting to spread the word you profess now.)

You mistake fact for attack. You claim no ego and yet, there is your ego on public display.

I actually came looking an... [ More ]

Reply #71

JADELottery — Tue, 14 May 2019 22:39:25 GMT

Why was the video removed by the user

Reply #70

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 14 May 2019 22:34:36 GMT

Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing. Jimmy Wales

Information without knowledge, wisdom and understanding, destructive

RL

Reply #69

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 14 May 2019 22:19:40 GMT

I have a few name suggestions for your study.

1. Fallacy -VS- Fact

2. Finite Lottery math

3. Little known lottery math revealed

4. Play smarter lottery numbers

5. Lottery math everyone needs to know

6. Before playing Q-picks, read this.

7. Never again play Q-picks

8. Finite lottery math for dummies

Around 70% of lottery sales are quick-picks, no analyzing, no math, just a dollar and

and a dream. Over half of the remaining 30% play birthdays, license plates, digits f... [ More ]

Reply #68

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 14 May 2019 21:08:21 GMT

I understand your reason for wanting to leave LP Tinkermen, and I'm sorry it ends this way.

I also now have a better idea of what it is you are attempting to do, and even though it appears to be repetitive info to some us here, including me, I can see how the information contained in the reports can be valuable for newbies to lottery mathematics. If presented in such a way as to make the mathematical process easier to understand, and in an interesting manner, then you may have something.... [ More ]

Reply #67

Tinkermen — Tue, 14 May 2019 20:23:34 GMT

I love ya G, and I m very grateful to you and everyone here in the forum for taking their time to try and help me learn new things that I didn t know about Lotto Mathematics, before I came to LP.

Sorry G, I did think it was my discovery before I came here, I was led to believe otherwise.

I believe I see a way to help people around the world with information they don t know about yet (That many here do as I quickly learned) and I came here in particular to get educational insight about a pa... [ More ]

Reply #66

garyo1954 — Tue, 14 May 2019 16:26:59 GMT

Let's review your first post.....

Both, a large college and a large newspaper are currently involved in helping me to take this discovery

public shortly. But, for both the 'Lottery Post' website and for other areas on the web like 'Wikipedia

Encyclopedia' and for other locations around the web, I need help in howthis mathematical discovery in

lotto will be presented and explained as an overview topic of Lottery Mathematics in general and how

they are used to calculate lotteries... [ More ]

Reply #65

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 14 May 2019 14:31:51 GMT

I feel your biggest hurdle will be in getting the majority of your audience to understand your reports. Probability, odds, evens, combinations, permutations, wheeling, sums, decades, groups, math, the list goes on and on. Showing the people across the world your info is easy.... getting their interest will be the challenge IMO. Just mention the word MATH and watch how many of them run in the opposite direction!

You will need online calculators to help with the math. There are already several

Reply #64

cottoneyedjoe — Tue, 14 May 2019 02:56:46 GMT

The path of least frustration would be to continue with your website and Youtube channel, post your findings and data bases there. It doesn't look like there is much of an audience for you here. As I said before, I wish you good of luck with all of it.

Reply #63

Tinkermen — Tue, 14 May 2019 02:53:49 GMT

Sorry I gave you all of these ugly impessions G, my bad, but it wasn't my intent nor goal.

Reply #62

Tinkermen — Tue, 14 May 2019 02:42:46 GMT

I think what you're saying here is the root of the problem Joe, because somehow this what would be amazing and vital information to the public, has only ever been sold to people or not even ever sold as information because it doesn't provide a What's Next answer.

But if an entire Database was created for every lottery in the world, to the public it would give them at least the What and Why it happens in lotto that they've never known about, changing millions of people in how they play and enj... [ More ]

Reply #61

garyo1954 — Tue, 14 May 2019 02:36:29 GMT

You were suppose to to SHOCK and SURPRISE US! Little by little this SHOCK AND SURPRISE has been turned into something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

Then it was a GENERAL DISCUSSION ON MATH PRINCIPLES.

Then you remembered you once spoke to Gayle Howard!

Then oh yeah, I'm a Wiki Editor.

You just keep dropping a tad bit more to entice us into something that benefits YOU. All you want is FREE information.

Mr. B, RL, and AllenB have all said you're not going to change the world wit... [ More ]

Reply #60

cottoneyedjoe — Tue, 14 May 2019 02:17:48 GMT

The lottery is about matching a specific set of numbers, not a pattern. Even though the pattern 3 evens and 3 odds is more likely to be drawn than the pattern 6 evens, the specific combination {2-3-4-15-16 + 17} is no more likely to be drawn than {12-14-16-18-20 + 22}. They both have the exact same chance of being drawn, and the exact same chance as the specific combination {1-2-3-4-5 + 6}. The lottery balls do not know what numbers are painted on them, and lack sentience to coordinate their mov... [ More ]

Reply #59

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 14 May 2019 02:12:03 GMT

Tinkermen, You haven't done your research. Use Google and see how many other sites you find for mathematics and lottery.

Just one of MANY sites.

https://lotterycodex.com/odds-probability-lottery

Reply #58

Tinkermen — Tue, 14 May 2019 02:04:30 GMT

I'm going to disagree with you on this one, the Orange County California newspaper reporter I spoke with, that serves 8 million people had no idea about the mathematics we're discussing.

Reporters typically know what information the public knows or doesn't already know and how big and impactful that information to would be if they write a story about it.

To all of you this is just Decades Old information that doesn't help anyone how to decide how to play lotto, because there's no 'Whats Ne... [ More ]

Reply #57

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 14 May 2019 01:58:27 GMT

Your not aware of how big this information would change the game if you would get it out there.

You are not understanding that the information is ALREADY OUT THERE! Putting the same information in a different location will change nothing.

Reply #56

Tinkermen — Tue, 14 May 2019 01:44:46 GMT

Not at all you are not understanding what I'm suggesting. A community project to inform the public on information their not aware of is just that.

The reports of Data gets named whatever the community wants to name it.

How the information is presented is how the community determines it wants it to look and how they want to explain it.

Where the project is located on the web is where the community can find a place do and maintain the project.

There is no I and there is no Tinkermen Lo... [ More ]

Reply #55

garyo1954 — Tue, 14 May 2019 00:59:08 GMT

Occam's Razor:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck......it's a duck.

Splitting hairs on terminology is a thin disguise. You still want FREE information for YOUR Tinkleman Lotto Report and your Wiki page about YOUR discovery. What you don't want us to realize is without our input you have practically nothing.

In the end, there is no reason for anyone to waste their time providing anything.

G

Reply #54

AllenB — Tue, 14 May 2019 00:50:01 GMT

Now Im Really Puzzled.

I don't Care how you Label it, there is a short list of Things to be observed in Lottery History, Decades being one of them. That Short List morphs into more Columns based on another short List of things that we can do with the Data. Namely Hits and Skips.

You can provide people with pages of Data; but it will be ignored unless you can show a way of using said data to pick a Winner.

Filters are the Only Way that I can See to do this. And by the Way, Filters are no... [ More ]

Reply #53

Mr-B 216 — Tue, 14 May 2019 00:44:24 GMT

Tinkermen, I hate to keep raining on your parade, but I feel as though you are thinking there are enough people across the globe that actually give a snip about lottery mathematical statistics, that your reports will be a huge success. News flash.... the majority of lottery players don't care! They just want for someone to give them the WINNING numbers to play, for FREE. Why do you think QP is so popular. No work involved, they trust the computer to do the work for them.

I understand your wan... [ More ]

Reply #52

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Tue, 14 May 2019 00:38:48 GMT

They don't know cause somehow it's never been put out there well enough for people to learn about.

Not so, it's out there, it's just that people are looking for something more.

RL

Reply #51

Tinkermen — Mon, 13 May 2019 23:58:18 GMT

I understand what is SOUNDS like G, but it's not a system, it's just the math and past draws arranged so people can learn about them. They don't know cause somehow it's never been put out there well enough for people to learn about.

Reply #50

garyo1954 — Mon, 13 May 2019 23:43:49 GMT

I'll pass.

1. It ain't my dream.

2. YOU were supposed to surprise, shock and amaze US.

3. You're a good talker, but I pick up on the a newspaper article written about MY system and a Wikipage about MY system. Which is a nice tactful way of saying I want you people to share, provide and give ME information to put together MY system so I can have a newspaper article written and a Wikipage about MY system.

4. Help the world? Really? If the world wanted this information they could fin... [ More ]

Reply #49

Mr-B 216 — Mon, 13 May 2019 22:09:29 GMT

Ok Tinkermen, here is my filtering process. Some parts of the images may not make sense to you, so just ignore the colors used in my structure list. All you need to pay attention to is the filtering process.

01233 = Select one number from 01 - 09, one number from 10 - 19, one number from 20 - 29, and 2 numbers from 30 - 39

LLMHH = Select two numbers from 01 - 13, one number from 14 - 26, and 2 numbers from 27 - 39

3E 2O = Select 3 even numbers, 2 odd numbers

Key numbers 09 and 31 mus... [ More ]

Reply #48

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Mon, 13 May 2019 20:44:16 GMT

Random sampling.

In a fair game the drawings will mimic the matrix provided it remains static, ie, 5-39. The stats can be calculated

for any event be it digits, numbers, odds even etc.... While we can know the expected, it's pinpointing exactly

when it will show next that presents a problem. Math works wonders for the calculable, it's that darn random

part that keeps getting in the way.

RL

Reply #47

AllenB — Mon, 13 May 2019 20:23:15 GMT

You are going to find that several of us here have done a great deal of work on Not only Decades but much, much more.

Below ar a couple of pictures of My Data History for California Fantasy Five.

Each Column is a Filter. I currently have a Complex Filter Setup that allows me to Apply multiple Filters to Each Draw Position. I will post some more Pictures on How I Do this later.

Reply #46

Tinkermen — Mon, 13 May 2019 20:02:57 GMT

Mr-B, Not something I really understand much about at all, but I know on the web mathematicians talk about past winning draws all having things in common like having an even amount of odd vs even and high vs low amount of numbers and combinations that come up the most. That would exclude a lot of combinations, but it's not my area of understanding besides what I've read.

Installing a pick number generator wouldn't be anything I could help with, but it's just an idea that could go along with... [ More ]

Reply #45

Mr-B 216 — Mon, 13 May 2019 19:52:00 GMT

Tinkermen, if I understand you correctly, you are talking about filtering. In my 5/39 game, there are 575757 possible 5 number choices . By filtering out all but the 01233 decade group (Double Thirty), I can reduce my choices down to 40,500. Still way too many to play, but using more filters can further reduce that number.

I'm about to go take the dogs for a walk, but I will post some pics to help explain how I do filtering.

Reply #44

Tinkermen — Mon, 13 May 2019 19:14:03 GMT

Tinkermen Lotto Report Lottery Post Challenge

I would like to officially challenge All of the Lottery Post Forum Members here to collectively Create, Inform, Change and Make History TOGETHER!!!!

This is also a response to AllenB s question as to: I am puzzled by you wanting to Educate people who are not Lottery Folks about cataloging methods for the game history

((BACKGROUND)) Currently Allen, the public's perception about the Lottery in general is that it is totally RANDOM. And t... [ More ]

Reply #43

bobby623 — Mon, 13 May 2019 17:29:35 GMT

If anyone is interested, a search of my posts will reveal that I have presented my non-math ideas many times.

The only exception is the final stage where digits ready for play are chosen.

There's just too much information to input.

However, any programmer can figure it out.

I don't believe Excel is intended for lotteries.

The only way to learn is via paper and pencil.

I can't deny that I'm frustrated by a continual barrage of math-based systems that don't work, in my opinion.... [ More ]

Reply #42

dr san — Mon, 13 May 2019 11:46:46 GMT

hello,BOBBY623, we can work with both conditions, predict numbers, or predict empty blocks to exclude, which results in 20% of the numbers to play, exclude small blocks in each line of 10 numbers to be good. delete 2 to 2 with a reference the last draw.

Reply #41

Tinkermen — Mon, 13 May 2019 00:59:52 GMT

I have to answer this tomorrow Allen, from my computer, trying to do it from my cell phone at work tonight is not working lol

I do have a great answer by the way, All of us combined I believe can help more people win than ever before.

Until tomorrow though...

Reply #40

Mr-B 216 — Mon, 13 May 2019 00:32:28 GMT

We are assuming that all math geeks already have all the same info we have, but such may not be the case. New players who are interested in the math contained inside the lottery would most likely benefit from your current and any future findings Tinkermen. Sure the web has plenty of info already, but if you compile and update the info as necessary, then that may be the key to your success for informing the public.

Wikipedia is as good a place as any for getting the word out. That word by the

Reply #39

Tinkermen — Mon, 13 May 2019 00:09:04 GMT

I believe everyone here (Collectively) reading this thread post, has the ability to m

Great Question Allen I am puzzled by you wanting to Educate people who are not Lottery Folks about cataloging methods for the game history

Reply #38

garyo1954 — Mon, 13 May 2019 00:09:04 GMT

Been waiting 6 years for that E-book. Keep looking for the title, The A D R - *, Totally Non-Mathematical, Way to Win the Lottery that Goes with ME When I'm Gone.

So far nothing popping up.

Unfortunate you don't want to share your ideas. It's unfortunate no one in your life is interested in your system. It's unfortunate you won't post your ideas in an appropriate place. And I guess its unfortunate that no one is begging for this wonderful, marvelous, non-math way to win the lottery.... [ More ]

Reply #37

Stack47 — Sun, 12 May 2019 23:39:29 GMT

But bobby, this discussion is not about pick-3 and pick-4 games where the predicting is much different; it more about exploring ways to catch $100,000 plus jackpots.

Lotteries are much smarter today. Being pushed by politicians to raise more cash, more efficient lottery ball machines are in use

Efficiency of ball machines doesn't change the fact a set of ten numbered balls are still put into three or four containers each. The live ball methods for 5/39 and 6/49 games vary from state to s... [ More ]

Reply #36

Mr-B 216 — Sun, 12 May 2019 23:12:17 GMT

bobby, come on now, my feelings are not hurt. At 64 years of age, it takes a lot more than words entered from a keyboard to hurt my feelings.

You can't believe I would do what I do just for fun? Well you don't know me, so no way for you to believe otherwise. I'm not here to convince you of anything. Hobbies are my way of relaxing, exercising or just plain having fun. I like to play golf for fun and physical exercise (I walk 18 holes), and I write computer code for brain exercise and relaxatio... [ More ]

Reply #35

AllenB — Sun, 12 May 2019 22:33:53 GMT

Bobby, Sorry to hear you are Not Well and apparently Alone with respect to your Lottery Ideas. I hope that you have Family that loves you as that is all that matters.

I know you tried to present your ideas here before. I / We Tried to do an Excel File with your ideas but you bailed after a few questions. I did not get the impression that it was a lack of trust; but rather an inability to see that your system could be reduced to Math and expressed in a spreadsheet.

It is a shame that you h... [ More ]

Reply #34

bobby623 — Sun, 12 May 2019 22:24:54 GMT

Sorry if I hurt your feelings, your being any mathematician who believes there is a mathematical solution to lottery play.

By the way - It's always been my understanding that system builders do so with the intent of WINNING, rather than a mental exercise for personal enjoyment.

I can't believe anyone would spend hours building data bases just for fun.

I suspected the come back to my comments would be negative, but LP is an 'opinion' forum.

I've expressed mine, although my Mama would... [ More ]

Reply #33

Tinkermen — Sun, 12 May 2019 20:37:00 GMT

My apology Bobby,

I was under the incorrect assumption, when I first entered this Forum based on my past history concerning lotto analysis and the people that were in my life at the time that I learned about it, that Lotto Probability Draw Pattern Mathematics was even known - I was told otherwise at the time.

And you're very correct, the Tinkermen Lotto Report I've created doesn't offer one single 'Word' as to what's next or 'How to' - I just separate all the past draws into there particu... [ More ]

Reply #32

garyo1954 — Sun, 12 May 2019 20:08:45 GMT

My inner voice said I should mark this post as read and move on.

Your inner voice was right.

This is the Mathematics Forum. Its a place to discuss the connection between math and lottery. Demonizing math in a math forum doesn't make much sense. And since we're talking about jackpot games you can't claim your Daily 4/Pick 4 system is comparable, better, or near the same level.

Fortunately, there are ways to determine certain parameters about the next set drawn with the derived data... [ More ]

Reply #31

Mr-B 216 — Sun, 12 May 2019 19:20:22 GMT

bobby, where would we be if 50 years ago we (the USA), just gave up in our quest to put a man on the moon, when so many said it was a waste of time and money?

It seems that every time a mathematical approach is being discussed here, you (and others) chime in with same, my way is right, your way is crap. There are some folks here, including myself, that just enjoy the journey. You call it a waste of time and nothing but compiled crap. I call it brain exercise, and enjoyment. Think of it as a h... [ More ]

Reply #30

bobby623 — Sun, 12 May 2019 18:42:29 GMT

My inner voice said I should mark this post as read and move on.

But, I see an opportunity to make some points.

It never ceases to amaze me how many data bases mathematicians can see in any game history file of any length.

Here is another example of wasted time and energy.

As has been pointed out, the system fails to answer the most important question in lottery play - What's Next?

It also fails to reveal the mathematical solution that has been hiding for 200 plus years.

Regard... [ More ]

Reply #29

garyo1954 — Sun, 12 May 2019 16:52:23 GMT

This below mango comparito's pay grade.

When you're discussing covering 75% to 80% of the matrix with the first digit and last digit, you're in the company of Archimedes, Pythagoras, Euler, Santa Claus, and Merlin!

I'm not sure we would be able to understand his mortal thoughts, much less the great ones!

G

Reply #28

Tinkermen — Sun, 12 May 2019 16:40:08 GMT

Thanks Mr-B

I've already deleted my first Mathematical Discovery (((Geeeeeez))) video from my You tube account and I will now focus on working on making another video that best describes my approach and Lotto Probability Pattern Draw Mathematics. I'll come back here and update you guys when I make some progress.

I will also continue to work on the best way to describe 'Lotto Pattern Draw Mathematics' within our Wikipedia article we have on Lotto Mathematics. Seems I have some real researc... [ More ]

Reply #27

Stack47 — Sun, 12 May 2019 05:10:08 GMT

Can't wait for Dr San to jump in with some ideas

Reply #26

Mr-B 216 — Sat, 11 May 2019 22:57:41 GMT

I am also a Wikipedia Encyclopedia editor and our article we have on Lotto Mathematics does not have any sort of information on Lotto Probability Pattern Draw Mathematics of this nature. Can you direct me to a book or a place on the web that discusses this mathematics viewpoint anywhere?

Here are 2 places you can start with. There are plenty of others. Just Google Lotto Probability Pattern Draw Mathematics and go from there.

https://lotterycodex.com/how-to-win-the-lottery-mathematica... [ More ]

Reply #25

CARBOB — Sat, 11 May 2019 00:04:37 GMT

Another way to track lotteries, I am sure there are many more.

1 2 3 4 5 6

A 1 2 3 4 5 6

B 7 8 9 10 11 12

C 13 14 15 16 17 18

D 19 20 21 22 23 24

E 25 26 27 28 29 30

F 31 32 33 34 35 36

G 37 38 39 40 41 42

H

I

J

05/09/19 3 17 34 37 42 106 56 3 7 4 7 2 B B C E G B3 B7 C4 E7 G2

05/08/19 3 4 6 16 23 105 56 3 4 6 6 3 A D D E F A3 D4 D6 E6 F3

05/07/19 1 6 13 18 42 136 56 1 6 3 8 2 C D E F G C1 D6 E3 F8 G2

05/06/19 5 10 18

Reply #24

Tinkermen — Fri, 10 May 2019 20:06:11 GMT

(((This is an amazing group, would you agree?))) I know and understand QUALITY when I see it and this website in how it runs and functions and this particular group is of the highest quality, I'm so very happy and impressed with all of the total open communication going on here.

(((Probably shocking to you to see what we do.))) YES I am beyond shocked, for the past 17 years since I came to my particular determination in lotto mathematics in 2002, I moved on to many other subject areas in... [ More ]

Reply #23

garyo1954 — Fri, 10 May 2019 19:56:14 GMT

I just went ahead and changed all the P#s to the front digit patterns.....

You could get rid of column M and still have all the information. Take row 183 TX12223. The TX number says one 10, 3 twenties and a 30.

Row 184 says two below 10, 1 ten, one 20 and 1 30.

Not to say there is anything with your information or your way of doing things. Its simpler (for me) to look at the front digit code to see what I have, rather than needing a chart to tell me what a P13 or a P27A m... [ More ]

Reply #22

Tinkermen — Fri, 10 May 2019 19:45:51 GMT

Mr-B, G and Cottoneyedjoe,

I am very humbled today by our discussion and with what you ve all openly shared with me thus far and I m so very grateful and appreciated of your time by this discussion. Please give me the benefit of the doubt here and allow me some more time to process (I m partially in full on total shock to learn of all of this in this manner) and allow me some more time to move forward with my initial train of thought.

I would like to honor both LP and all its members and T... [ More ]

Reply #21

cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 10 May 2019 17:56:17 GMT

Can you lead me to understand how this information came to be known within or outside of this forum?

To paraphrase Mr-B 216, while the lottery draws mostly innumerate people, poor people, and gambling addicts, there are still lots of math-y people who also enjoy studying and playing the lottery.

How your mathematical findings came to be known independent of you is that people use their math and programming backgrounds to work out these problems on their own. And they either don't find the... [ More ]

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cottoneyedjoe — Fri, 10 May 2019 17:35:38 GMT

Very well-said, Mr-B 216.

Reply #19

garyo1954 — Fri, 10 May 2019 15:57:21 GMT

First run.....

Appears to be some code I need to clean up and rewrite a formula or two for the designators.

But the more I look at those, the more likely it is they would be dumped for something simpler. Without some form of a code, you're lost. I'd opt to replace the P15A, P27B, and so forth with the front digit patterns. Simpler, precise and says exactly what each combination contains.

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Mr-B 216 — Fri, 10 May 2019 13:51:17 GMT

Lottery mathematics or findings of this type within past draws is not currently known by the public or on the web, to my knowledge, or the public would change how they play based on the mathematics alone?

I don't why you would think basic probability (lottery) math was unknown until 2002. I've been studying lottery games for 30+ years, and I've always been using math as it applies to lotteries. I think your misconception might come from the fact that most people who play the lottery do not u... [ More ]

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dr san — Fri, 10 May 2019 11:49:28 GMT

hello tinker, mathematically in lotteries, you can only reach 75% and 80% of having control in the lotteries

this after having an excellent, system, type repeated and absent (last digits of the last draw for the next) always 25% to 20%, numca, will have control, yes of course when to classify in standards

you can have 100%, but then you will first have to hit the patterns, then filter, because in the lotteries we have that the raffles can give off the central curve of the bell, and control... [ More ]

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Tinkermen — Fri, 10 May 2019 06:57:58 GMT

Thank you Mr-B, from just looking at the table you provided from my smart phone, (I'm at work) without calculating the math this does look to be similar findings.

Can you lead me to understand how this information came to be known within or outside of this forum?

At the time this was originally determined in 2002, that is what was believed at the time these findings had determined by those who had validated it.

Lottery mathematics or findings of this type within past draws is not curr... [ More ]

Reply #15

garyo1954 — Fri, 10 May 2019 03:44:57 GMT

Fair warning: You picked one of the toughest crowds on the internet. Now, you have to prove to them you have something. And you know what it is and how it works.

A system though, is not all patterns. There are plenty of those to choose from. The question is the hierarchy of the patterns and/or characteristics you use. And which takes precedence?

But ultimately, you have to answer the biggest question of all, How do I decide what numbers to play?

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Mr-B 216 — Fri, 10 May 2019 02:26:48 GMT

John, I still fail to see any evidence that supports your claim of This is a MATHEMATICAL DISCOVERY in Lotto, it proves that Lotteries are not Random .

What do you see that I do not

Reply #13

Mr-B 216 — Fri, 10 May 2019 02:21:35 GMT

Time was short, but here is some data from OH 5/39 game. By default I use the decades tags of 0, 1, 2, or 3, but changed them to Low, Teen, Twenty, Thirty to lessen any confusion. Sorry I didn't break them down into sub patterns by name, but you should be able to get the idea. I find it easier to read data using the digits, but to each his own. Either way gets the job done.

Ohio Rolling Cash 5 has 5192 drawings as of May 8, 2019. I rounded the Expected Drawn numbers, so the total count is off... [ More ]

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Tinkermen — Thu, 09 May 2019 22:49:33 GMT

To the contrary G, since I'm totally new to LP, you would be doing me a major favor based on your knowledge. If you would dive in and not only read and come to understand the lotto report in full, but also reach out to some of those that might know about Pattern Matrix like you mentioned above.

This is the only way, the discussion I want to really have about how lottery mathematics can be described in the future based on this analytical approach.

Reply #11

garyo1954 — Thu, 09 May 2019 20:36:57 GMT

Thank you!

There is no lack of people with knowledge in this manner of play at LP. And we all appear to have certain individual characteristics in our play that we may/may not share. Like everything here, its a choice whether to participate, or share.

For the time being I'll sit quietly in the corner and see what others think.

G

Reply #10

Tinkermen — Thu, 09 May 2019 20:10:52 GMT

I appreciate your assistance and any knowledge you can be helpful with concerning this discussion, that will lead to a change in what is understood concerning lottery mathematics in general G. This is my first attempt at releasing what is currently believed to be unknown information at this time.

Lotto People Magazine was a magazine that was located in many cities across the US back when this discovery was made in 2002, it has since ended publication.

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AllenB — Thu, 09 May 2019 19:45:52 GMT

I am not seeing much more than a Decade Pattern here together with an AlPha Code to Identify it. The Tables that Take up most of the pages could be Simplified to First a 5 Digit sequence of 0,1,2,3,4 followed by a 5 Digit Code that Counts the 0,1,2,3,4's. Adding up the Hits for Each Code and getting it's Hit% looks to be an easy task that can be placed in each draw line in an excel sheet. In the End I do not doubt that the Percentages drawn are very close to the Percentages of Options matching t... [ More ]

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garyo1954 — Thu, 09 May 2019 19:41:53 GMT

Understood. We need a good discussion on all the methods. As I've said in other threads, they all come back to come common ground from varying viewpoints.

This is the perfect platform and opportunity to see how they work.

G

Reply #7

Todd — Thu, 09 May 2019 19:17:08 GMT

Just to be clear, I gave approval for the link and topic, but I am not endorsing anything. I just want to be sure that people don't report him for spamming. He seems genuinely interested in discussing the topic, so I'm providing the platform to do so.

Reply #6

garyo1954 — Thu, 09 May 2019 19:13:56 GMT

Thank Mr B. Like you, I'm interested to see if there is anything (useful) to be presented. I think everyone (and there are quite a few people here who use some form of this approach) should be interested.

I promise not to troll, but will ask hard questions.

Since the overall concept is playing with the use of patterns it appears no different and less developed than some others. And there is an endless supply of articles about game theory, probability, and win the lottery using math, et... [ More ]

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Mr-B 216 — Thu, 09 May 2019 18:30:37 GMT

All I see so far is another mathematical approach in an attempt to make better choices. Kind of similar to the Igor approach, just using a different avenue. Igor of course used his method to win a jackpot, and so far I have not seen any mention of a jackpot win here.

While all lottery drawings are random, they all have a mathematical side as well. There are certain rules of math and all random drawings must follow those rules. If not, then it's time to be concerned.

Like you garyo, I see n... [ More ]

Reply #4

garyo1954 — Thu, 09 May 2019 18:08:54 GMT

Not shocked at all.

Statistical systems already identify the percentages in the overall matrix and compare those to the game data.... classical vs empirical probability....what should happen vs what does happen.

Not through reading, but I haven't found anything surprising, shocking or unique about what you're doing. Maybe the terminology is unique but not original. We've known about doubles, triples and quads a long time. You'll find them mentioned throughout Lottery Post for all the ga... [ More ]

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Tinkermen — Thu, 09 May 2019 17:34:26 GMT

I really appreciate the accolades Mr.B, but I m hopeful this will be described in the future as a natural occurring mathematics within all of the lotteries of the world and not a John Francis method/material per say lol But I know what you're saying he he

Reply #2

Mr-B 216 — Thu, 09 May 2019 14:22:34 GMT

Welcome to Lottery Post John!

I downloaded your reports and am very impressed with the amount of work you have invested in your venture thus far.

I will apply your math to my 5/39 game and let you know the results when available. I already have a lot of the required data contained in my current program, however, I will write a new program so it's pure John Francis material, not contaminated with my Mr.B material.

There are at least a dozen or so members here who are very good with Excel... [ More ]

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Todd — Thu, 09 May 2019 11:56:32 GMT

A note to Lottery Post members: I have reviewed and approved this post. Normally a New Member would not be able to post a link, but after discussing the matter Tinkermen has convinced me that he is not doing this for any commercial purpose, but would just like to discuss his concept with the community. Please feel free to discuss.

Tinkermen Lotto Report - General Explanation of Mathematical Discovery needed

Tinkermen — Thu, 09 May 2019 09:16:49 GMT

Hello everyone,

I am a brand-new member here to Lottery Post. My name is John Francis and I have made a discovery in lotto mathematics. The discovery has been validated and does prove that the game of Lotto is Not based on Random numbered events, but is Mathematically Deterministic. I am currently seeking help from the members of this Mathematics Forum, as most of you understand Lottery Mathematics more so than the general public.

Both, a large college and a large newspaper are currently i... [ More ]