Steve Player systems are Junk gimmicks

Reply #43

BobP — Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:30:36 GMT

Just as a Pick-3 wheel for 5 digits takes 10 lines and for 6 digits takes 20, making wheels for Pick-5 you only cover 10 3if's per line rather then 20 so it is much harder to make Pick-5 wheels.TryPool-24Pick-5Match-3Hits-5Click [Generate] and when the box opens set the Maximum number of lines to your budget. [Start] when done [Finished] now you're looking at the lines on the grid, about 90% coverage. Click Tools, Optimize, [Start] and let that run for a while, go have a cup of coffee, when i... [ More ]

Reply #42

AmuzingP3s — Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:56:34 GMT

Thanks, BobP for the instructions, the only thing is I was talking about Cash5. That's the game I play most. Can Covermaster wheel 24 numbers for the same approximate amount? I would like to be able to use my own numbers.

Reply #41

BobP — Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:05:10 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by AmuzingP3s on April 02, 2004That's right, BobP, a wheel is no good if the winning numbers are not among those in the wheel. But, to be honest, his advertisement arose my curiosity as to whether he has a good way of choosing the right numbers. That would definitely be what could interest me the most.By the way, I downloaded the Covermaster a few months ago, but can't understand how it works. Duh! I am looking for a 24-number wheel that doesn't cost too much, maybe up... [ More ]

Reply #40

AmuzingP3s — Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:25:59 GMT

That's right, BobP, a wheel is no good if the winning numbers are not among those in the wheel. But, to be honest, his advertisement arose my curiosity as to whether he has a good way of choosing the right numbers. That would definitely be what could interest me the most.By the way, I downloaded the Covermaster a few months ago, but can't understand how it works. Duh! I am looking for a 24-number wheel that doesn't cost too much, maybe up to $35 or so, can that be possible to come up with Cover... [ More ]

Reply #39

BobP — Fri, 02 Apr 2004 03:28:06 GMT

For what it's worth, it is possible to make a 4if5in12 and a 5if6in12 number wheel in 36 lines each in CoverMaster.In both cases we're talking about a 12 number wheel so it doesn't matter if the game has 36, 37 or 39 Pick-5 numbers or 49 or 53 Pick-6 we're only going to get to put 12 of them on the wheel. Odds of having all 5 or 6 winning numbers among any randomly selected group of 12 is very slim.When Steve shows example wins, he isn't showing guaranteed wheel coverage. He is showing what th... [ More ]

Reply #38

AmuzingP3s — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:21:54 GMT

Hi, Leroy, thanks for the info. Glad to hear from you. I haven't been around your site for quite a while now. I believe since you were trying to update it. I need to go back and check it out what's up there. The wheel I am talking about is for 5 of 37 (Texas) and it's by Gail Howard. I don't know if the one in Steve Player's new system requires 3 Powers but I have the feeling it does, otherwise, it would also be more than 36 games, I think.

Reply #37

Webmaster L — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:04:28 GMT

RoseOfTX,I have a wheel in my arsenal that if I could get 3 power numbers in IL 5/39 I could win 5 for 5 too but it would cost alot more than $36but I am working on it anyway.Webmaster LeRoy

Reply #36

AmuzingP3s — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:52:06 GMT

I got mine about 4 days ago giving me the opportunity to get it before it goes to the general public! I also understood that you need to wheel 12 numbers with 36 combinations. I am under the impression that you might have to pick maybe 3 key numbers for this type of wheel. I have a wheel that requires 3 key numbers using 12 numbers to play 36 games. It guarantees a 5 of 5 if all the numbers are among the 12 and all the key numbers match the chosen ones.

Reply #35

Webmaster L — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:25:32 GMT

Hello All,I too recently got my Domino Plus system newsletter from Looks like we regulars or former regulars are on his list of former non informed well Steve Player should be reading this forum and answer the demands that has been made of him via this posting site because many of his former customers are all located right here and no one is buying but we all wanbt answers.Steve Player Steve Player sends out a newsletter offering a new system. The latest one (Domino Plus) is simply a 12/3... [ More ]

Reply #34

LottoBuster — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:38:39 GMT

It sure is a better way to spend your money.A few years back when I first started looking at lottery systems I purchased a few of Steve Player's programs. They were complete junk. There are far better systems out there for free, and none of them are presented in such a way as to try and make you believe you're just a few bets away from being rich.

Reply #33

Greg — Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:37:29 GMT

Steve Player sends out a newsletter offering a new system. The latest one (Domino Plus) is simply a 12/36 wheel requiring you to put out $36. every time you use it!Who here can afford to put out $36. for the Pick 5 or Pick 6? I can't.A tip: you have to read his newsletter VERY carefully to decode his language to see what he is saying and what he is NOT saying. There's no way I'll purchase this system for many reasons one of which is I already have a 12/36 wheel in my software, thank you.... [ More ]

Reply #32

emilyg — Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:59:13 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by LottoBuster on March 26, 2004 Speaking Of Steve Player I just got an advertisement today for a brand spanking new lotto program of his called Domino Plus. For only $149.95 he promises I'll make a fortune with it. Right, let me get my checkbook out. The only one whose bank account is getting fatter is Steve Player's or OPCOM or whoever's selling these systems. [/QUOTEgot my letter in yesterdays mail. made out the check for $149 .95 = made it out to my daughter. m... [ More ]

Reply #31

LottoEngines — Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:53:55 GMT

I tend to agree.Developer / LottoEngines.com

Reply #30

Sandy K — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:53:21 GMT

You are right, Webmaster LeRoy...............start with Wildwheel3.Pearl, you can download it at Mike K's website.........just do a search for his name and you will find a link there.He offers a free full working demo..................you got nothing to lose and everything to gain by trying it out.

Reply #29

Webmaster L — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:44:55 GMT

Pearl,Webmaster LeRoy here I have read with interest your original question and side with lottotwister.I too have spent big bucks on steve player for the last at least 10 years maybe more.I own everything from the money map for the pick 3 and 4 to the hitwheels and none of them were cheap heck the combine money map alone was almost an $800 money order aloneThat was before I met and enjoyed Mike K's wonderful and working programs [buy Mike K - enough said]With the above said I am with lottotwiste... [ More ]

Reply #28

plumbusa — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 06:20:54 GMT

Jim,Kick it down a notch.A sense of humor goes a long way!I do love your signature, it's one of the best I have ever seen!Living the dream

Reply #27

jim695 — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:48:46 GMT

Yes, well, this was my own fault, wasn't it?Allow me to reiterate:After all, if there is a question as to whether he is real or a fictitious corporate persona, such as Ronald McDonald, how likely would one be to place an order? The question itself undermines his sincerity as well as the integrity of the product.For those of you who still can't manage grasp the the point, such as means similar to, or like the example cited. Get it? If not, I guess I could take a few hours and explain it to... [ More ]

Reply #26

Pick-4_Master — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:47:59 GMT

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that group was an Office Pool I believe it was a bunch of his customers or followers that played the same numbers he selected.He played the numbers as well so he WON along with them how many won I don't know or the exact amount he won.But I know the money helped him with his Lottery System pursuits and he does quite well with the money he makes from his systems selling and using them.

Reply #25

BobP — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:32:20 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Pick-4_Master on March 26, 2004He used one of his Lottery Wheels he developed at the time to WIN the Jackpot and his systems are only Bogus to the players that don't know how to use them.I didn't have any luck with Mike's system but I can't say there bogus because other players have won using them.I hope you do well with the systems you sell after you WIN I'm quite sure you'll find plenty of customers.Quick-Picks work well for hitting a JACKPOT but not for everyone th... [ More ]

Reply #24

Pick-4_Master — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:15:46 GMT

How well have you done using both systems? I have the Prime-Line 3/4 and the Pick-4 MSW System I think I'll combine the Prime-Line 4 with the Pick-4 MSW

Reply #23

orangeman — Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:12:02 GMT

The Prime Line 3 is the best Player offers. Combine Prime Line 3 with Player's Multiple Stage Wheeling for extra punch. These two are valuable. The rest are a waste of money. Orangeman

Reply #22

Pick-4_Master — Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:41:01 GMT

He used one of his Lottery Wheels he developed at the time to WIN the Jackpot and his systems are only Bogus to the players that don't know how to use them.I didn't have any luck with Mike's system but I can't say there bogus because other players have won using them.I hope you do well with the systems you sell after you WIN I'm quite sure you'll find plenty of customers.Quick-Picks work well for hitting a JACKPOT but not for everyone that's why I use my own number selector MY BRAIN .... [ More ]

Reply #21

Thomas Covenant — Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:27:22 GMT

>>>Also he WON the New York Lottery back in 1988 which he still recieves checks from<<<Well, I have decided to stop playing quick picks and just pick randomly on a playslip. That way if I win, I can sell bogus lottery systems for years after the win. If I used a quick pick, everyone would know I didn't use a system.

Reply #20

emilyg — Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:17:54 GMT

lotto buster - you're smart.

Reply #19

LottoBuster — Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:14:54 GMT

Speaking Of Steve Player I just got an advertisement today for a brand spanking new lotto program of his called Domino Plus. For only $149.95 he promises I'll make a fortune with it. Right, let me get my checkbook out. The only one whose bank account is getting fatter is Steve Player's or OPCOM or whoever's selling these systems.

Reply #18

RJOh — Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:41:56 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by jim695 on March 26, 2004 ...... After all, if there is a question as to whether he is real or a fictitious corporate persona, such as Ronald McDonald, how likely would one be to place an order? .......If Ronnld McDonald had his name of some lottery software,I would buy it.RJOh

Reply #17

Pick-4_Master — Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:05:31 GMT

Steve Player spends $500-$1000 on the Pick-3/4 games and wins more than he spends at the time of play when he hits the numbers.It's posted on the New Hampshire Lottery website the times he has won,how much and when he played he is a REAL person I know this because I was a subscriber to Lottery Casino News where he was interviewed by the Editor which was printed in the Magazine back in 1998.Also he WON the New York Lottery back in 1988 which he still recieves checks from as far as his systems a... [ More ]

Reply #16

keystonechas — Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:09:35 GMT

jim695 wrote: After all, if there is a question as to whether he is real or a fictitious corporate persona, such as Ronald McDonald Just ask any child or Willard Scott if Ronald McDonald is real?For the uninformed, Willard Scott NBC TODAY SHOW weather man was the first orginal Ronald McDonald in the 60s.Chas

Reply #15

jim695 — Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:37:12 GMT

Again, I will point out that I'm not a critic of Steve Player's systems. I own several, including the Pick-4 MoneyMap and the Pick-3 CashOverlap systems and, for the most part, I have no complaints. It's true; you can't buy one and expect to win on your first try. His systems are designed to give the serious player the means to understand the games. That's why he only offers pencil-and-paper systems; the player is expected to put forth some effort in order to develop a mindset consistent with hi... [ More ]

Reply #14

BobP — Fri, 26 Mar 2004 04:54:17 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by pearl on March 25, 2004Jim695, I'm sure he's a real person! He admits it in his catalog that he turned the company over to Opcom But he still has some ownership in it. My big question that I feel he should answer honestly is: WHY DO YOU NOT GIVE A MONEYBACK GUARANTEE WITH ALL YOUR SYSTEMS and WHY CANT YOU GUARANTEE A WIN LIKE ONCE A WEEK and DO YOU SPEND MORE MONEY ON BUYING TICKETS THAN YOU ACTUALLY WIN? I know he gives a guarantee with 3 of his systems, but why... [ More ]

Reply #13

RJOh — Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:53:49 GMT

Opcom doesn't make money buying lottery tickets, if it did, it wouldn't be selling lottery systems. State lotteries make their money on lottery losers, if anyone could guarantee that most lottery players would not lose money in the long run than lotteries would cease to exist. Many will play and only a few will win, that is how lotteries work.RJOh

Reply #12

pearl — Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:25:37 GMT

Jim695, I'm sure he's a real person! He admits it in his catalog that he turned the company over to Opcom But he still has some ownership in it. My big question that I feel he should answer honestly is: WHY DO YOU NOT GIVE A MONEYBACK GUARANTEE WITH ALL YOUR SYSTEMS and WHY CANT YOU GUARANTEE A WIN LIKE ONCE A WEEK and DO YOU SPEND MORE MONEY ON BUYING TICKETS THAN YOU ACTUALLY WIN? I know he gives a guarantee with 3 of his systems, but why not the expensive systems $50 to $500? And if his s... [ More ]

Reply #11

jim695 — Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:17:29 GMT

What do you mean, ...there's no Santa? Who started this vicious rumor? Easter is nearly upon us, and then the Christmas decorations go up (yippee). Post a retraction of your lies, or you'll get nothing but a lump of coal. Personally, I wouldn't risk it...

Reply #10

jim695 — Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:13:38 GMT

TC:This is the second time I've read this email from the New Hampshire lottery. While I don't doubt its validity, I think it's interesting that I have sent two previous requests to Opcom asking for a response. I've been a Steve Player customer for several years now and, like Pick-4_Master, I enjoy tinkering with his pencil and paper systems, as they give me insight into the daily games one can't get from software. Admittedly, I have had limited success with these methods, but that's better than... [ More ]

Reply #9

pearl — Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:39:18 GMT

lottotwister, thanks, ill check out mikeks site, but none of his free systems are working now. about the steve player systems, which ones do you consider to be the best for the pick 3? even the ones you had to finne tweak, which have the most potential

Reply #8

Thomas Covenant — Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:36:26 GMT

Sandy K, let me tell you a little secret, money back guarantees mean absolutely nothing. Many, many years ago I wrote and sold a get rich quick scheme. It never really got off the ground because I was limited to classified ads. One of the things I did was offer a double money back guarantee. And not a single person wrote back asking for their money back. Very few people actually do on anything. My get rich quick scheme was really a piece of crap. Steve Player loses more money than the wins o... [ More ]

Reply #7

Lottotwister — Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:47:48 GMT

Pearl, Lottotwister here I've spent big money on steve player systems they just don't work out of the box. You have to tinker with it and make some adjustments accordingly. But for what he charges for them you shouldn't have to do that. But when I buy them I know what to expect I get ideas from them and use them with others and are very powerful. The best system in the world was gived to me and it didn't cost me anything but an hour of my time. And I've won more money with it ten times fold than... [ More ]

Reply #6

pearl — Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:26:22 GMT

thanks Sandy k, Bobp , n rjoh for alll the info! Sandy, if i get one of Sp systems it will be a cheaper one like pyramid system or numbers cruncher! The hitwheels are supposed to hit once a week! thanks alot

Reply #5

RJOh — Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:57:24 GMT

Pearl,Any system you used to play the lottery, you would expect to work even if it was free. People even complain about not winning using numbers posted here on the forum freely. The truth is playing the lottery is gambling and using a system doesn't change that. If you play enough combinations, you will win something, but most people not only want to win something, they want to win more than they spend and no system can guarantee that.RJOh

Reply #4

BobP — Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:20:04 GMT

A mechanical system can't play at a profit over time which means the user must make a choice that will determine whether they win or lose. If you want the system to do it all, it won't win often enough even with a progression system except when you get lucky which can happen for a few, but not for all. BobPRead all three pages of the Keypad system for the Pick-3 information.http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/keypad.html

Reply #3

Sandy K — Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:21:24 GMT

I forgot to mention this.I am in the state of Michigan.And my comments above reflect the systems that I have applied to my state. For all I know, they may work in other states.I shouldn't generalize so much. I just know what I used for Michigan just doesn't work without spending a ton of cash playing.

Reply #2

Sandy K — Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:09:32 GMT

Pearl,People want easy money. They want someone to do the work for them...Steve Player suckers them in by promising the world. Lottery players chase a dream and they are willing to pay for it. There are only a couple people on here that have spoken pro Steve Player but many have been against the systems. I guess it is in your outlook. Heck, Mike K has some nice programs on here that do not cost an arm and a leg and do work...maybe spotty but they do work...and if you use Steve Player's the... [ More ]

Reply #1

pearl — Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:59:30 GMT

Steve Player systems are Junk gimmicks

pearl — Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:17:43 GMT

Are Steve Player Systems Junk like some have claimed? Seems like so many people hate steve player and claim that they tried a bunch of his systems and they dont work! If they do not work, then why has he been in business selling new systems for the past 25 years? Surely all his business cant be from suckers who only buy 1 time from him. He must have lots of loyal students who are repeat customers. I have his catalog, he says a few of his systems usually hit once every 7 days or once in 18 days... [ More ]