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Israel Lottery draws same numbers twice in month

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JERUSALEM — The odds may have been in the trillions-to-one range, but lightning has indeed struck twice for some lucky lottery players in Israel.

The national bi-weekly lottery draw Saturday led to the astronomically improbable result of the same six double-digit balls being pulled in less than a month.

The Miphal HaPayis state game picked 36, 33, 32, 26, 14, 13 and the "strong number" 2 as the winning combination.

But a quick look at the results caused panic and amazement: the same first six numbers had been picked in exact reverse order and won the lottery on September 21. The only difference was the "strong number," which determines the first prize jackpot.

Anyone who played those six numbers on both dates won big — twice.

Lottery officials at first pulled Saturday's result, fearing there was a mechanical error or some sort of tampering with the results.

That's understandable as the statistical probability of that six-number combination is normally one-in-2.65 million. But a gaming and mathematics expert interviewed by Israeli website Ynetnews set the chances that the same numbers would hit twice somewhere around four trillion to one.

"Usually, this is the type of numbers they use to describe the probability of life on Mars," Zvi Gilula, a professor of statistics at the Hebrew University said.

But after investigating the drawing and finding no problems, lottery officials certified Saturday's results, leading to three first-prize winners earning over $1 million dollars each.

The lottery's official website cited a statistician explaining, "this is a rare coincidence of identical results in two different lotteries."

According to Haim Melamed, "Combinations of such statistics, despite being rare, can occur and hence, a combination that already occurred in the lottery (can) have a chance to rise again ... like every other combination."

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Posted: October 18, 2010, 12:14 pm - IP Logged

Hmmmm......four trillion to one.......about the same odds to win Take 5 in New York.

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    Posted: October 18, 2010, 3:14 pm - IP Logged

    Yesterday I posted pretty much the same here: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/222118  ...  that can be deleted so as not to unnecessarily duplicate things.

    This statement in the above article: "The lottery's official website cited a statistician explaining, "this is a rare coincidence of identical results in two different lotteries." is misleading, because it happened in the same lottery ... not in "two different ones". I think maybe the writer should have said in '2 different draws' instead.

    To the best of my knowledge this is the first time numbers in any lottery have repeated, but for a few years now I have not been following lotto things as close as I once used to ...  so the question is: has this ever happened before?  ... in any lottery?

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      Posted: October 18, 2010, 3:22 pm - IP Logged

      Yesterday I posted pretty much the same here: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/222118  ...  that can be deleted so as not to unnecessarily duplicate things.

      This statement in the above article: "The lottery's official website cited a statistician explaining, "this is a rare coincidence of identical results in two different lotteries." is misleading, because it happened in the same lottery ... not in "two different ones". I think maybe the writer should have said in '2 different draws' instead.

      To the best of my knowledge this is the first time numbers in any lottery have repeated, but for a few years now I have not been following lotto things as close as I once used to ...  so the question is: has this ever happened before?  ... in any lottery?

      I Agree! and the odds of any previous combination been drawn again is the same as any other combo being drawn; 265 million to 1.

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        Posted: October 18, 2010, 4:17 pm - IP Logged

        Yesterday I posted pretty much the same here: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/222118  ...  that can be deleted so as not to unnecessarily duplicate things.

        This statement in the above article: "The lottery's official website cited a statistician explaining, "this is a rare coincidence of identical results in two different lotteries." is misleading, because it happened in the same lottery ... not in "two different ones". I think maybe the writer should have said in '2 different draws' instead.

        To the best of my knowledge this is the first time numbers in any lottery have repeated, but for a few years now I have not been following lotto things as close as I once used to ...  so the question is: has this ever happened before?  ... in any lottery?

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          Posted: October 18, 2010, 8:03 pm - IP Logged

          In Texas we had 5 out of 6 on the very next draw

          09/18/2002    4 -  6 - 10 - 19 - 35 - 47
          09/21/2002    6 - 10 - 19 - 32 - 35 - 47

           

          353 winners got five for $344.00 and one winner in Taft Texas for 7 Million

          When you get 5 numbers you will get around $1,500 or more.

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            Posted: October 18, 2010, 8:51 pm - IP Logged

            Yesterday I posted pretty much the same here: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/222118  ...  that can be deleted so as not to unnecessarily duplicate things.

            This statement in the above article: "The lottery's official website cited a statistician explaining, "this is a rare coincidence of identical results in two different lotteries." is misleading, because it happened in the same lottery ... not in "two different ones". I think maybe the writer should have said in '2 different draws' instead.

            To the best of my knowledge this is the first time numbers in any lottery have repeated, but for a few years now I have not been following lotto things as close as I once used to ...  so the question is: has this ever happened before?  ... in any lottery?

            Happens with some regularity for p5 games, but here is another p6 repeater from the BG lotto

            http://www.lotterypost.com/news/200624

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              Posted: October 18, 2010, 11:41 pm - IP Logged

              Hmmmm......four trillion to one.......about the same odds to win Take 5 in New York.

              ROFL

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                Posted: October 19, 2010, 1:04 am - IP Logged

                I Agree! and the odds of any previous combination been drawn again is the same as any other combo being drawn; 265 million to 1.

                Stack47,

                I Agree! 

                I noticed that error in the article too.  The first expert they interviewed was wrong, the second one was correct.  The odds are NOT in the trillions to one UNLESS the Event is, "The odds of  drawing [N1, N2, N3, N4, N5, N6] TOMORROW AND THE NEXT DAY!"   If the question is what are the odds of drawing TOMORROW, the set that was ALREADY DRAWN TODAY, the answer is as you stated above. (I assume you meant 2.65 - their "White Balls" are based on a 6/37 matrix.)

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                  Posted: October 19, 2010, 2:29 am - IP Logged

                  yeah i tried playing 7/45 out here with the previous weeks numbers as my pick, i kinda got bored with it.

                  i would like to make the news, but as you say prob 4 times as many people play the repeat as  other combos. so u are guranteed a split of the pot.

                  prob played on and off for 6 months, like that.  still do when the fancy takes me. but its a $1 game and i got smaller fish to fry

                  2014 winnings

                  JAN S 119/ W71;  FEB S90 /W 13 ; MAR S93/ W75;  APR S146/ W50 ; MAY S94/ W32 : JUN S98 /W 13 JUL S110 /W21; AUG S185 / W56 SEP S 140/W 13 ; OCT S 130 / W 66

                  S $1292W $450Tot -$840

                   

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                    Posted: October 19, 2010, 12:22 pm - IP Logged

                    I am going to play that combo - Who knows it my fly overseas

                    Believe !!

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                      Posted: October 19, 2010, 6:14 pm - IP Logged

                      This comes close to happening quite often in a game like West Virginia's Cash25(6/25) which only has 177,100 possible combinations.  Below are a few recent examples.

                       09/30/10 - 03 05 10 16 22 24
                       09/27/10 - 03 05 10 12 16 22

                       06/24/10 - 02 08 11 19 21 23
                       06/08/10 - 02 03 08 11 19 23

                       05/29/09 - 06 14 18 19 20 24
                       04/24/09 - 06 14 18 19 20 25

                       05/19/09 - 06 11 12 15 16 25
                       04/30/09 - 06 11 12 16 17 25

                       03/24/09 - 01 03 14 18 24 25
                       02/20/09 - 01 09 14 18 24 25

                       01/31/08 - 02 04 06 20 22 23
                       12/31/07 - 02 03 04 06 20 23

                      * you don't need more tickets, just the right ticket * 
                      * your best chance at winning a lottery jackpot is to buy a ticket * 
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                        Posted: October 19, 2010, 7:26 pm - IP Logged

                        This happened last year in Bulgaria, for two draws in a row (can't post a link as I'm too 'new' and just got told off for trying! - Googling repeat lottery numbers bulgaria should find it). Two consecutive draws is of course even more unlikely, yet still not significant.

                        It does freak people out though when this happens, but they forget that if this kind of thing could NOT happen then that's when they should worry about there being something wrong with the draw.

                        I'm still looking forward to the day 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 gets drawn somewhere - that'll really upset a lot of people who insist such combinations are impossible :-)

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                          This happened last year in Bulgaria, for two draws in a row (can't post a link as I'm too 'new' and just got told off for trying! - Googling repeat lottery numbers bulgaria should find it). Two consecutive draws is of course even more unlikely, yet still not significant.

                          It does freak people out though when this happens, but they forget that if this kind of thing could NOT happen then that's when they should worry about there being something wrong with the draw.

                          I'm still looking forward to the day 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 gets drawn somewhere - that'll really upset a lot of people who insist such combinations are impossible :-)

                          Mark Haigh,

                          "I'm still looking forward to the day 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 gets drawn somewhere - that'll really upset a lot of people who insist such combinations are impossible :-)"

                          Yes, that will be fun!  Smiley

                          This article covers the Bulgarian event...

                          http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/lottery-math-101-801/

                          --Jimmy4164

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                            Mark Haigh,

                            "I'm still looking forward to the day 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 gets drawn somewhere - that'll really upset a lot of people who insist such combinations are impossible :-)"

                            Yes, that will be fun!  Smiley

                            This article covers the Bulgarian event...

                            http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/lottery-math-101-801/

                            --Jimmy4164

                            im looking forward to the day that 6 numbers drawn match 6 on one of my lines.

                            ea to their own, i do like the days some patterns are drawn like the 5 10 15 25 30 or what ever was drawn here.

                            and the winners got $6k ea instead of the usual share of $1 mill, 40 winners that week, still more than I got

                            2014 winnings

                            JAN S 119/ W71;  FEB S90 /W 13 ; MAR S93/ W75;  APR S146/ W50 ; MAY S94/ W32 : JUN S98 /W 13 JUL S110 /W21; AUG S185 / W56 SEP S 140/W 13 ; OCT S 130 / W 66

                            S $1292W $450Tot -$840