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Hello...

This short post was inspired by member Kellmusa55's thread about PI in the MATHEMATICS forum. I thought I'd address the PI question with a few rough ideas and a lean towards a Systems approach. I don't have the time for a more nuanced discussion, but hopefully this will be a little food for thought and possibly help us connect the dots...

I've appreciated the ad-infinitum discussion about PI on the LP, for many of us have been trying to figure out what  "x"  could be.

These are the commonly spoken of PI formulas on the LP.

1. (x / p) + c

2. (x / p ) - c

3. (x + c) / p

4. (x - c) / p

It has been said that:

"X" may be the last draw, a multiple of draws or is at least in some way connected to the draws,

"P" is PI, and

"C" is the circumference.

The discussion about what "x" could be have been lively. Its escapes me as to why the other variables, "p" and "c",  haven't been addressed with the same vigor. They are just as important...For example, which value for PI" are we speaking of, and what is this circumference we are talking about? PI is connected to the circumference of a circle. So if you're going to use PI in a Pick 3 formula, it may be pivotal to have some working ideas about "c", the circumference. If you nail that down, it could possibly give you a better construct with which to work and may have a bearing on what "x" could ultimately be....

What is the circumference of the Pick 3? To put it crudely, the Pick 3 is ideologically composed of 1000 sequential points moving in a circular pattern, and so it follows that the Macro-Universe or Macro-circumference of the Pick 3 is 000 to 999. This circumference may change depending on, for example, the draws you're working with, the target range of numbers, the pi formula you're using and etc...Additionally, and more importantly, lets say, the Pick 3 further consists of 3 tiers, or Micro-circumferences.

Each Micro-circumference is its own Micro-universe

Tier 1 is 000 - 333: numbers 000 to 333

Tier 2 is 333 - 666: numbers 333 to 666

Tier 3 is 666 - 999: numbers 666 to 999

Further subdivisions are 111, 222,333, 444 and etc...Each Tier has 333 points.

I think its very important to pay attention to which circumference is in play. If you do so, it may radically change the results you get.

Now as for PI, once you know the circumference you are using, it may seriously alter the value of the PI you input. Instead of just using 3.14159, you may have to, for example, double PI as in 3.14159  x  2 = 628.318 for Tier 2, or even triple PI for Tier 3. To not do so, may throw results way off track...Please remember there are no locked in rules here, just ideas for exploration...

Lets now look at or look for the elusive "X".

In the Pick 3 and as it relates to PI, we are going to use one of our 3 tiers or 3 circumferences to find  the next "x" point given a set of past "x" points. In the standard formula of (x / p) + c, lets hypothetically assume that the value of "x" in the Pick 3 formulas above is determined by some combination of the "past draws". How do we use these draws together, especially if they are in totally different tiers? In order to use these draws together we first have to synchronize them into the same "frequency", or into the same tier. How? You add or subtract 333 and 666 when necessary.

So for example:

223 was the last draw - falls into Tier 1

799 was the second to last draw - falls into tier 3

To use the 2 draws together you would have to synchronize the second to last draw of Tier 2:799  - into the last draw of Tier 1:223 . You do so, because 223 is the draw that fell last, and so its the dominant draw(generally speaking).

799 gets conscripted into 223. So you take 799 and subtract 666 from it to bring it into Tier 1. So,

   799

-  666

-----------

= 133

Notice how you have just brought the Tier 3 number of 799 and turned into the Tier 1 number of 133.

Now you can work with 133 and 223 together. How? Its up to you to explore. You can, among other ways for example, add them together and then divide by 2. If you had used 3 draws, you would have added them together and then divide by 3, and etc...You then put your one result into "X" and in the formulas at the top of the page.

So for example, if you use (x / p ) + C, you would put your result into "X" and then divide it by the appropriate value of PI depending on the Tier you are using and then to that 1 value of "X", you can successively add 111,222,333,444,555,666,777, 888, 999(and possibly with some importance- their "mirrors") for a working group of 9 numbers.

The above was arrived at by thinking about the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter, which is:

C = PI x Diameter = 3.14159 x Diameter = 3.14159 x  2(radius) = PI x 2R.

If you meditate on the standard formula of PI above, it may help you decide which of the four Pick 3 PI formulas you want to use. All of them are valid, but if you stick with one or two that makes the most sense to you, and work with that as creatively as you can, along with a smidgen of logic,  you may derive more benefit than by randomly using using all 4 formulas.

In the end its up to you to determine if you're going to use lottery math or regular math. Whichever it is, be consistent with it throughout your workouts. Of course you can play with both, but maybe not in the same workout. Its also up to you to determine the number of draws that you use for "X". I would suggest not going beyond your last 9 draws. So lets say you can use between 2 and 9 draws. If you decide to play with these ideas more deeply, observe and try to settle, for the most part, on a particular number of past draws with which to work. Decide well, its not an arbitrary choice...

Lastly, this idea of synchronization, and by extension transformation, is not exclusive to the PI formula discussion, and I believe its quite fundamental to the lottery in general and to the idea of symmetry and balance, or rather harmony, which in the end is whats at play in the Pick 3. Right?

Happy Explorations!

Kola

I think you have something here Kola.  It would be nice to have somebody program it ,and then it would be quick to do the calc with all the different methods.

hey Kola, for texas i get 129 and 191 based on numbers for January 13th, I understand using 3.14 in the formula and x, but not sure on circumference, from my understanding these numbers were both worked out using  Tier 1, would you mind working out an example on here all the way through, thanks..

Tell me if this is correct.  Nm last 2 were 584 853.

853-333= 520 .  520+584=1104, /2 =552 /6.28..=87.8536..

Then add

111+87.8536=198.85

etc...

Yes lakerben, that's it, in all of its simplicity...

Well, hot dog!  The rest were: 309,420,531,642,753,864,075,1086 rounded of course. This bring to mind another thought : how about using phi in addition to 3.14..?

In other words 552/2phi= 170.577.

111+170= 281

222+170=392

333+170=503

444+170= 614

555+170=725

666+170=836

777+170=947

888+170= 1058

999+170= 1169

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in these calculations.

Well, hot dog!  The rest were: 309,420,531,642,753,864,075,1086 rounded of course. This bring to mind another thought : how about using phi in addition to 3.14..?

In other words 552/2phi= 170.577.

111+170= 281

222+170=392

333+170=503

444+170= 614

555+170=725

666+170=836

777+170=947

888+170= 1058

999+170= 1169

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in these calculations.

I'm going to round the 1058 to 106 and use for tonight.  The 1 and 6 are due and the zero is the mirror of 5 which has been hitting a lot lately in NM!!

Yes, lakerben, the numbers are correct. I like your pluck, and this a viable path worth exploration, but also, if I may, worth a few caveats, among many...

You may also want to work with the RINGS OF  PI system as a "stand alone"  and deeply explore how it works, how it ticks, its quirks, and etc...before meshing it with PHI. Then alternately think about PHI itself, and its inherent quality and what it actually does to a number. Then ask yourself if it makes sense to use it in the way you did. What do you want PHI to do to the number in the numerator? Think about the logic of mixing PI and PHI. Why would you do so? if you can answer it, even by a little, it may point you in a direction you can to better tweak the formula for your own ends...

By the way, I'll try to address PHI in a more expanded way on a different thread at a later date...

Good luck...

The reason I have mentioned phi is that it has worked in the past.  I've also used 3.14 in a different way by multiplying past draws for pairs.  Each person will get different results since some states are computerized and others are not.  I'm not going to mix them I will use each method by itself and make comparisons when the draws are completed.  Thanks again.

An example of the above.

We will use the PI formula of (X / P ) + C

Remember

Tier 1 = numbers 000 to 333.  For this tier use 1PI value of 3.14159

Tier 2 = numbers 333 to 666.  For this tier use 2PI value of 6.28318

Tier 3 = numbers 666 to 999.  For this tier use 3PI value of 9.42477

Midday Draw = 789  = Tier 3

Evening Draw = 334 = Tier 2

334 is the last draw and is in Tier 2. Change the Tier 3 draw of 789 into a Tier 2 draw. You do it by adding or subtracting by 333 or 666

789 - 333 = 456

So now add 456 + 334 = 790. Divide 790 by 2 to find average number...

790/2 = 395. 395  is plugged into the "X" variable of PI formula

395/6.28318 = 62.866

Add subdivisions of Pi and mirrors to Seed Number  of 62.866

1.  000 + 62.866 =   62.866

2.  005 + 62.866 =  67.866

3.  050 + 62.866 =  112.866

4.  500 + 62.866 =  562.866

5.  555 + 62.866  =  617.8

6.  550 +.................=  612.8

7.   505 +................=  567.8

8.   055 +...............=   117.8

9.   111 +..................=  173.8

10.  116 +.................=  178.8

11.  161 +.................=   223.8

12.  611 +................=   673.8

13.  666 +..............=   728.8

14.  661 +................=  723.8

15.  616 +................=   678.8

16.  166 +.................=  228.8

17.  222 +................=  284.8

18.  227....................=   289.8

19.  272....................=  334.8

20.  722....................=  784.8

21.  777.....................=  839.8

22.  772.....................=  834.8

23.  727.....................=  789.8

24.  277.....................=  339.8

25.  333.....................=  395.8

26.  338.....................=  400.8

27.  383.....................=  445.8

28.  833.....................=  894.8

29.  888.....................= 950.8

30.  883.....................= 945.8

31.  838......................= 900.8

32.  388......................= 480.8

33.  444......................= 506.8

34.  449......................= 511.8

35.  494......................= 556.8

36.  944......................= 1006.8

37.  994......................= 1056.8

38.  949......................= 1001.8

39.  499.......................= 561.8

40.  999.......................= 1061.8

Good luck!

Can this be used in pick 4 what is PI formula for a 12 digit  pick 4 .