US House votes to kill Internet gambling

Comment #139

LOTTOMIKE — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:15:59 GMT

Take steps to curb gaming on Internet

Critics find a lot of reasons the U.S. House of Representative's recent legislation to curb Internet gambling cannot succeed:

* Online gambling is extremely widespread, originating mostly outside the boundaries and influence of the United States.

* As many as 80 countries allow it in some form. There are already some 2,500 Internet gambling sites, and the number is growing rapidly.

* Many religious organizations won't get behind the bill becaus... [ More ]

Comment #138

cps10 — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:09:35 GMT

That's not good...not good at all.

Comment #137

LOTTOMIKE — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:30:35 GMT

LONDON, July 18 (Reuters) - Shares in online gaming company BETonSPORTS were suspended on Tuesday after its chief executive was detained in the United States and the FBI ordered four telephone companies to cut off its operations.

BETonSPORTS said it had been unable to contact Chief Executive David Carruthers, who is being held in Fort Worth, Texas, but had seen a U.S. indictment "alleging various criminal acts against multiple defendants".

The detention of Carruthers is a blow to the... [ More ]

Comment #136

konane — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:58:57 GMT

Good summary of the Illuminati.

Comment #135

Jimiam — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:54:18 GMT

Yep, that would be correct. Getting Rid of Republicans would not solve the problem. Yes. there's corruptness on both sides. Systems was built on corruptness and is inherently corrupt. American was in the early years a country based on God's law. America was prosperous and rich. Land of Beauty. Then on the other spectrum you had the cunning and brilliant European scam artist whose name was Rothchild who was determined to get his clutches on this American God loving country. He had suckered o... [ More ]

Comment #134

Todd — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:18:39 GMT

Jack,

I agree with you about Republicans in the House and Senate not practicing what they preach, especially with new laws like this one, and every time they approve a new spending measure.

However, I am not foolish enough to think that voting them out of office is the solution. If you think spending or restrictive laws are bad now, just imagine what they would be like if Democrats had control.

Also, something pretty major that gets lost in all of this is that the US economy is humming... [ More ]

Comment #133

cps10 — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:46:24 GMT

MIKE

I'm not sure the exact date, but from what I gather, I can't see it passing through this year.

And that is bad that he is detained for nothing...this country has really stretched it's interpretations of people's freedoms.

Comment #132

Rip Snorter — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:45:45 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by LOTTOMIKE on July 17, 2006 i hope this lobbyist running his mouth doesn't backfire on all of us.

Last week Carruthers told Reuters he thought that a U.S. Republican-written, House of Representatives-approved bill to crack down on Internet gambling by banning banks and credit card companies from processing the payments was bound to fail due to the mountainous backlog of other U.S. legislation.

U.S. Republican-written, House of Representatives-approved... [ More ]

Comment #131

Rip Snorter — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:20:07 GMT

Detention . Interesting choice of words. Not arrest. Detention.

They have a lot more elbow room these days because of the anti-terrorist provisions for dissolving rights insured by the US Constitution.

Under current practice they can probably hold this guy until he dies of old age without charging him with anything. Without even telling him why he's being held.

As they've already done with all those people down at Gitmo for three, four, five years.

Evidently the US is operating u... [ More ]

Comment #130

LOTTOMIKE — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:04:22 GMT

i hope this lobbyist running his mouth doesn't backfire on all of us.

Last week Carruthers told Reuters he thought that a U.S. Republican-written, House of Representatives-approved bill to crack down on Internet gambling by banning banks and credit card companies from processing the payments was bound to fail due to the mountainous backlog of other U.S. legislation.

Comment #129

LOTTOMIKE — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:00:19 GMT

BetonSports' CEO detained by US Feds

The online gaming sector is reeling this morning after BetonSports CEO David Carruthers was seized by The Feds in the US, while waiting to transfer onto an aircraft destined for Costa Rica, where the company's customer services centre is based.

Carruthers, an outspoken pro-gaming lobbyist, heads up a company that generates about 90% of its business from the US, where online gaming is considered illegal under the 1961 Wire Act.

BetonSports is listed... [ More ]

Comment #128

LOTTOMIKE — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:49:42 GMT

i'm wondering when the exact date is when the sessions end.is it in august or september?

i'm not getting my hopes up high but i do wish it will fade without being voted on......

Comment #127

LOTTOMIKE — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:22:26 GMT

thanks cps10

Comment #126

cps10 — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:32:44 GMT

MIKE

I have heard that once the session is over, they have to re-draw the bill and put it through both the House and Senate again.

Comment #125

LOTTOMIKE — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:56:16 GMT

does anyone know when this current session ends? if and when the current session ends do they have to wait another year to do another bill? i heard seven or eight weeks but i was wondering do they get a chance to vote on it again after the summer break is over and they come back for the november elections

Comment #124

konane — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:18:14 GMT

Mike, Clinton used domestic monitoring at his pleasure and got a pass for doing it ... and this was well before 9-11. One side only points out issues of another for the purpose of hiding what they have been or are doing, so your maturing assessments of the political scene show you're paying attention.

Have maintained that the heavily federally regulated banking industry is the steamrolling force behind this legislation because losses they write off are simply passed on to current consumers... [ More ]

Comment #123

LOTTOMIKE — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:34:23 GMT

your right the democrats and the republicans are equally responsible for this thing.i should've worded that better because it did make me look kind of dumb.basically i was just saying that here in the last couple years the wiretaps,eavesdropping,internet monitoring,etc. have gotten more pronounced.it is a necessary evil these days because of terrorists.i can see after 9/11 the reason for these things.i was just taking my feelings out the wrong way.i think in this day and age its better to have a... [ More ]

Comment #122

Clairvoyance — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:25:33 GMT

On a lighter note not to due with any persons political views because we all have them and the same goes for Religion as well.

I saw a bumper sticker the other day on the back of a truck that said:

God Giveth and The Government Taketh Away!

Gave me a chuckle anway

Comment #121

Todd — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:23:04 GMT

Well then, if I have totally misread your post, then it may be because you left a lot to the imagination.

Do you really think that I do not understand that others have differents views from my own? If you read my message a little closer, you'd see that I specifically address the fact that many people feel differently than I do.

I have given the courtesy of a thoughtful and detailed response to your post, rather than dropping a bomb like you're wrong, and I feel differently than you. Yo... [ More ]

Comment #120

Tenaj — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:10:38 GMT

This is not a race thing Todd and I am sorry you believe that. We all do not share the same political views, and I respect the right of others to state theirs and hope they give me the right to state mine. If someone posts political views and sentiments --- example---that they love Republicians and Bush, and that our founding fathers were just grand, I feel I have the right to post that I do not feel the same way.

This has nothing to do with race but the right to disagree.

Comment #119

Todd — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:50:40 GMT

Tenaj,

I know your feelings on this race issue, but all I can say is that our wise founding fathers provided the framework to establish the only country in the world where everyone is free. Which is a pretty remarkable achievement, considering that there did not exist a single country they could use as a template at the time.

When it comes to race I have learned that many people will not change their perspective, even if they are exposed to knowledge that what they were thinking was wrong... [ More ]

Comment #118

Tenaj — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:13:34 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on July 15, 2006 Yes, those are two quotes from my post. I'm not sure why our founders is in huge letters, maybe because you agree?

Our history books does not tell us that our founding fathers gave every man freedom. Were certain people excluded or were you speaking of a different kind of freedom. Like the freedom to learn to read

Comment #117

Todd — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:49:07 GMT

Yes, those are two quotes from my post. I'm not sure why our founders is in huge letters, maybe because you agree

Comment #116

Tenaj — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:35:48 GMT

.....because those are the things that I believe our founders had in mind

Freedom -- the God-given right to be free, and to not let others take that freedom away.

Comment #115

Todd — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:15:28 GMT

When you say something like that you are proving two things:

You have no idea what Republicans are. Republicans stand for more freedom, not less.You think Republicans drove this bill. Yes, Republicans did vote for it. But so did Democrats. Everybody is equally to blame for this idiotic bill.

Anyone who is in their thirties or later did not grow up with the Internet when they were in grade school and high school. These people, me included, literally had no way to get honest, truthful i... [ More ]

Comment #114

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:47:46 GMT

the republicans are trying take away everybody rights to do as they wish.this is a free country.

Comment #113

libra926 — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:38:03 GMT

hey.....TODD.....5/17

I just had to respond to your POST...This is the absolute 1st time, since I've been a member that YOU AND I ABSOLUTELY AGREE.......on topic...politicially....You are reading my mind on this issue and thensome.....The Politicos here in Washington under the BUSH REGIME...have let the heat and humidity melt down what little bit of intelligence they had left.As if we as Ameri Voters/Citizens haven't lost enough privacy, and rights under his control....

As I wrote earlier... [ More ]

Comment #112

libra926 — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:47:52 GMT

HAPPY SATURDAY.....7/15

I am sorry to say I didn't see this POLL.....I would have loved to vote....after all I have been an avid voter since I was 18 years old.......

Comment #111

libra926 — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:43:08 GMT

HAPPY SATURDAY... ORANGE ....7/15

I like your color, especially on candy......and I say that as a compliment/w/all due respect.....

Now, that aside.....having read your postings....while I do not know your true politics let me say that we currently have a KING GEORGE in the White House who is picking up where the English King George III left off.....and #3 is probably laughing in his grave at the whole scenario.

In fact, he waisted his time and a lot of innocent lives fighting again... [ More ]

Comment #110

libra926 — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:33:04 GMT

HAPPY SATURDAY MY FRIEND CPS10 .....

YOU just say whatever you like, I won't get pizzed at you .....I understand. I think the whole issue should be placed on our NOVEMBER 2006 BALLOTTS.....Lets Vote on it. After all, as another LP Member stated earlier, they just voted themselves a nice pay raise.....I wonder how many of them will be around long enough to enjoy it, after we finish voting in NOVEMBER.....LOLOLOOL

PS......Sorry to be soooo longggg to respond....I can't always find the time... [ More ]

Comment #109

libra926 — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:21:38 GMT

Quote: Originally posted by we;reallwinners on July 11, 2006 Didn't they just vote themselves a nice pay raise?

HAPPY SATURDAY.....7/15

YES, MY DEAR....the good ole boys voted themselves a very nice pay raise, using what else taxpayers money must be nice to stroke ones self with pay raises, year after year after year. And do it with the hard earned money of the American Voter....But deny the same American Voter, a decent minimum wage increase.... the one we currently have on the book... [ More ]

Comment #108

Rip Snorter — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:06:24 GMT

Interesting side-bar to the above anecdote:

While I was researching that story I got to know Sheriff Jim Flournoy middling well (the guy Burt Reynolds played in the movie). He was cooperative and helpful to me providing a lot of information. At that point we had an understanding the piece was going to be handled in a way that was informational, truthful, non-judgemental. Which it was when I sold it.

After it was published, Sheriff Jim was livid. I tried to explain what happened, but he... [ More ]

Comment #107

Rip Snorter — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:10:53 GMT

In 1970, I wrote a feature story about that place for a national magazine. First time anything had ever been published about it, so far as I could tell at the time.

The mag made a cover story of it. Re-named it, THE HALF-MILLION DOLLAR SEX-SALON THE TEXAS RANGERS 'CAN'T FIND . Threw in a phony staged pic on the cover of a half-dressed girl picking the pocket of a john. I'd sold all rights to the story to the mag, so I had no say in how they presented it.

Houston television commentator... [ More ]

Comment #106

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:52:10 GMT

zz top made a song about that in 1973.song is la grange off the tres hombres album.....

Rumour spreadin' a-'round in that Texas town

'bout that shack outside La Grange

and you know what I'm talkin' about.

Just let me know if you wanna go

to that home out on the range.

They gotta lotta nice girls ah.

Have mercy.

A haw, haw, haw, haw, a haw.

A haw, haw, haw.

Well, I hear it's fine if you got the time

and the ten to get yourself in.

A hmm, hmm.

And I hear it's tight most... [ More ]

Comment #105

Rip Snorter — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:34:09 GMT

There are petitions for recall for most elected officials.... senators and congressmen .... state legislators an locals.... appointed ones such as Federal Judges have to be impeached. Most Executive Branch appointees have to be fired by someone. If they're low enough on the totem pole to qualify as Civil Servants they're easier to kick upstairs or send to Nowheresville than to fire.

For what all that's worth. It ain't happening, and it ain't going to happen.

A grandstanding politician w... [ More ]

Comment #104

Rick G — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:17:02 GMT

Tinker,

Thanks for that historical background. A great example of ridiculous "protection" for our own good.

The best protection for our own good would be to make it available to the voters to instantaneously impeach our "protectors". Every Monday there should be an impeachment election.

Comment #103

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 03:12:14 GMT

also found this story...

Internet Gaming Bill Faces Uncertain Future

POSTED: 8:23 am CDT July 12, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Don't bet on the Senate following the lead of the House in approving a bill that limits Internet gambling.

It is not a top priority for Senate leaders, although its main supporter, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl, said he will aggressively pursue it.

The bill makes it illegal to use credit cards to pay for online bets.

It is part of an effor... [ More ]

Comment #102

LOTTOMIKE — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 02:58:25 GMT

U.S. House Votes to Ban Internet Gambling

In a bizarre move, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to ban Internet gambling this week by an astonishing 317-93 margin. The bill, which has generated no substantial support in the Senate and is widely regarded as an election year ploy, is expected to die quietly in conference.

THIS STORY IS FROM CIVIL LIBERTIES

Comment #101

LOTTOMIKE — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:06:44 GMT

that was a cool story.i never knew they were banned though.i bet organized crime made tons of money on it.........

Comment #100

Tinker — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:01:59 GMT

Next they will take away our pinball machines.

In the summer of 1941, New York Mayor Fiorello La Guardia, affectionately known as 'the Little Flower' to his constituents, took leave from his normal duties to declare all-out war on an evil that threatened his city. Before an assembled crush of photographers and reporters, La Guardia spoke for a few moments and then picked up a sledgehammer. His eyes popping nearly out of his head, he flexed his shoulders, hoisted the sledgehammer into the air... [ More ]

Comment #99

LOTTOMIKE — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:00:03 GMT

the only thing to do now is sit back and wait on the outcome.i feel like i'm watching an execution of a loved one,lol.maybe it will get pardoned in the last minutes and gain its life back.......

Comment #98

NightCougar — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:30:49 GMT

I agree with Orangeman. The problem fueling this bill is not gambling itself but due to the credit card companies. Even porn sites are being restricted to not using the major credit card companies. Morality aside, it is the enormous unpaid debt being created due to cards illegally used through identity theft, minors illegally using parents' card, and finally the people with addictive personalities who unfortunately become gamblers . This last item is what the politicians are fronting but not th... [ More ]

Comment #97

LOTTOMIKE — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:03:36 GMT

not trying to give anyone false hope here.just trying to list all the pros and cons i can on the subject so we can view them accordingly........

Comment #96

LOTTOMIKE — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:51:20 GMT

The Arizona Senator Jon Kyl has said he will aggressively pursuit it (an online gambling ban) nonetheless....

this would be one thing to keep a close eye on though.

Comment #95

LOTTOMIKE — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:46:58 GMT

also found this........

Gamblers' fears might be unwarranted

Internet gamblers worried about losing their hobby may take comfort from this golden nugget of information.

Those who advise Internet gambling investors don't seem worried at all.

London-based financial analysts see Tuesday's vote by the U.S. House of Representatives to ban Internet gambling as much ado about nothing, according to Reuters.

That's because analysts don't expect the U.S. Senate to act on the bil... [ More ]

Comment #94

LOTTOMIKE — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 06:07:05 GMT

The passage of a bill on the House floor by a 317 to 93 vote banning online gambling has failed to hurt gambling company shares. In fact, it seems to have done quite the opposite.

Both Sportingbet and PartyGaming's shares rose after analysts said the latest attempt to ban internet casinos would fail despite its overwhelming support by the House.

The Internet Gambling Prohibition and Enforcement Act was co-sponsored by Republican congressman Bob Goodlatte, who has called online gaming a... [ More ]

Comment #93

konane — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:10:55 GMT

I'll preface this post by saying that I have no respect for the New York times ongoing publishing of classified information which has compromised national security. I hope they are charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law provides.

That being said here is a paragraph from one of their articles concerning lobbying groups pushing to get the internet gambling ban enacted. Logic prevails that they're at least partially correct although I read on a couple of conservative discussion s... [ More ]

Comment #92

Coin Toss — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:40:36 GMT

orangeman,

your post was excellent, just too bad legislators don't think that way.

On issues like this the masses have to com;y with extremes , either wide open online gambling, or none.

Comment #91

LOTTOMIKE — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:26:49 GMT

no more gambling at betslips,the quarter store or anywhere.it'll be done.all she wrote.......

Comment #90

LOTTOMIKE — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:23:47 GMT

i agree orangeman as a former smoker,former drinker and former druggie(its been seven years on any of these vices for me) i have one vice and that is a little gambling.i guess i'll chew gum or something when its banned,lol.

in all seriousness i would rather them regulate it and tax it than ban it.

Comment #89

orangeman — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:12:03 GMT

I have been doing some hard thinking on the whys and wherefores of this issue. Hear me out on this.

The credit card companies are already scared pea green over rising balances. The reason why families are coping with high gasoline prices is the fact that many are putting their gas on Visa/Mastercard and NOT paying off their charges.

Online gambling is an extension of this fear. Gambling increases during hard times as families struggle to make ends meet. Many gamble on their credit ca... [ More ]

Comment #88

Three2001 — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:05:18 GMT

Thanks Todd! The title of the bill from that web site says: Internet Gambling bill

Official Title: To prevent the use of certain payment instruments, credit cards, and fund transfers for unlawful Internet gambling, and for other purposes.

Somewhere in the bill, I'm sure, they give the definition of unlawful Internet gambling and the other purposes (possibly terrorist related?). I personally don't think something like betslips.com qualifies as unlawful .

Comment #87

Coin Toss — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:59:48 GMT

U.S. House passes Internet gambling ban

By UPI Staff

United Press International

July 13, 2006

WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The U.S. House has overwhelmingly backed a bill to ban most forms of Internet gambling and require banks to block payments to offshore* Web sites.

UPI article, continues here:

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2006/july/0713_gambling_ban.shtml

*Notice that word again, offshore...

I really think that is a major cause of all this.

Comment #86

BevsPicks — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:49:07 GMT

Does this mean that we will no longer be able to play at betslips.com

Comment #85

BevsPicks — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:48:19 GMT

You nailed it

Comment #84

cps10 — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:44:28 GMT

I hate to hear that...

Comment #83

LOTTOMIKE — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:23:24 GMT

i read that too.seems like all these forces together might give this bill enough of a push to pass.i'm going to be honest i think the whole party is over.it was fun while it lasted.i made nearly 5 grand since todd introduced betslips here in february so its gonna hurt pretty bad

Comment #82

mylollipop — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:27:03 GMT

So true! We have choice. We were created as creatures with a choice. I choose to NOT vote for the legislators who oppose my opinions.

Comment #81

cps10 — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:10:54 GMT

ct

I saw that report on CBS. That is one of the smaller books as well. Imagine what the Big Guys like PartyPoker are pulling in a year

Comment #80

Coin Toss — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:06:27 GMT

I think at least part of this was caused by some of the shyster operators who opened up offshore sports books early on in the days of the internet, set themselves up to take credit cards, and then never paid a winning bet and closed up shop.

There was also a 60 Minutes report on a (read one) poker site, owned by an American in the Bahamas, that's taking oin $12,000,000 a year.

Times how many offshore gambling sites and that = a lot of lost taxes.

When the river boat casinos came... [ More ]

Comment #79

cps10 — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:45:47 GMT

konane

I would imagine debit cards will fall within that frame...aren't they somehow linked to the VISA/MC system?

If I understand correctly, most banks will not allow their credit cards to fishy sites in their eyes anyway, such as online gambling, porn, etc. So I kind of wonder why they are pushing for this. I would almost say that it's the land-based casino lobby, who probably is pushing for a cut in the action.

Comment #78

konane — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:33:39 GMT

Mike, since the banking industry seems to be the steam roller behind this bill then it doesn't look good for online gamblers.

Banking industry is no doubt the lobby behind recent bankruptcy law changes, also recent credit card repayment tightening so this legislation looks like the third big wheel on the steam roller. All makes sense to me.

However, one question is whether debit cards fall under the same category as credit cards, also do bank drafts fall under the category of wire transfe... [ More ]

Comment #77

cps10 — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:45:18 GMT

Thanks Todd

Comment #76

Todd — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:14:09 GMT

Here is a link to a fantasic site that offers everything you'd want to know about the bill:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-4411

Comment #75

Todd — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:13:26 GMT

My sincere apologies to all for my insistence that lotteries and horse racing were excluded. I simply read the sentence incorrectly, and really screwed it up. I have taken out the bullet point in the beginning of the story that wrongly stated that lotteries were not included.

Note that the bill is still VERY bad for people who like to play the lottery, because it tries to block access to state lottery alternatives online.

Comment #74

LOTTOMIKE — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:37:51 GMT

the bottom line in all of this is a couple things.....

1-the government is greedy and mad because they can't tax it

2-the casinos in vegas are losing action

3-they decide to join together to stamp it out

Comment #73

konane — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:59:42 GMT

I've been wondering all afternoon who is the lobbying interest behind H.R.4411.

Clark Howard is a radio and tv consumer advocate who normally knows who or what issue is behind various legislation.

He is not in favor of any kind of gambling, but please read past his opinion to who is the lobbying interest behind the push to stop it.

For those who've said follow the money trail, you are indeed correct.

Credit card companies are apparently losing $$$$$$$ so are the lobbying intere... [ More ]

Comment #72

LckyLary — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 00:36:24 GMT

Reps. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., and Jim Leach, R-Iowa sponsored the bill. They successfully beat back an amendment to strip out exemptions in the legislation for the horse racing industry and state lotteries.

beat back = blocked? eliminated?

strip out = remove?

exemptions = allowing of?

it would read successfully eliminated an amendment to remove the allowing of horse racing/lotteries. Meaning, the legislation HAS exemptions for horse racing/lottery which the Reps. PROTECTED... IF I

Comment #71

LOTTOMIKE — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:29:53 GMT

i'm not going to put my political views here any more.i think it distracts from the lottery topic at hand.about what i posted earlier you have to remember where i'm from and where i was raised.memphis,tennessee doesn't exactly have a good history of race relations.martin luther king was assassinated here in 1968.the world may have changed in other places but here things remain very much frosty.so before you judge me take into account what i've been through and where i am.this is one of the poore... [ More ]

Comment #70

Konformthismfs — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:23:52 GMT

This is what i'm reading from the original story...

However, the lottery exemption wasn't in the bill back in 2000. If it had been, Abramoff's client probably would have backed the bill. Online lotteries are exempted this time around at the behest of states.

Comment #69

LOTTOMIKE — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:19:45 GMT

i'm lost....why would you hope this

Comment #68

LOTTOMIKE — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:18:31 GMT

EXPLAIN

Comment #67

cps10 — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:17:54 GMT

Huh

Comment #66

Just6ntlc — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:05:14 GMT

This is a great topic. I hope Internet gambling goes away for good.

Comment #65

cps10 — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:32:28 GMT

O'man

I like what you say there...I've been looking for a way to write off all those pesky expenses

Comment #64

orangeman — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:28:42 GMT

Personally, I don't mind seeing the government regulate online gambling and taxing it in some way. That would assure it would continue. They tax cigarettes and booze. These vices continue just fine because the government needs the revenue.

If it were regulated, your ISP charges, home computer, lottery software, etc, would become tax write-offs. You could buy a new computer every year and write it off as a business expense. Heck, you could probably deduct some off your house payment fo... [ More ]

Comment #63

KY Floyd — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:55:50 GMT

"They successfully beat back an amendment to strip out exemptions in the legislation for the horse racing industry and state lotteries."

I know that most reporters would be lucky to get a C in 6th grade English class, but I think that sentence is pretty clear, and it's accurate. The bill has exemptions for horse racing and state lotteries. There was an amendment to remove those exemptions, and the amendment was defeated.

Comment #62

cps10 — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:52:33 GMT

Surely one of those 3 will occur that you mention Todd...or at least I will keep my fingers crossed anyway.

And we're going to think that ol' W doesn't like putting a few greenbacks on the Longhorns? HAHA

Comment #61

Lotterologist — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:34:17 GMT

Thanks Todd

Comment #60

Todd — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:33:54 GMT

The off-topic posts were removed from this thread. Those are better to post in a blog.

Comment #59

Todd — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:29:34 GMT

I was asked through private messaging about what happens next in the life of this bill. I'm going to answer here so everyone can benefit. For any questions that could benefit many people, I would prefer those questions to be posted in the forums, rather than thru PM.

At this point, the Senate will draft their own version of the bill, then they will debate it, and then vote on it. If it passes, then representatives from the House and the Senate will meet and resolve any differences in the b... [ More ]

Comment #58

cps10 — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:20:31 GMT

That is another reason I think that it will be defeated, Todd...the horse racing and lottery lobby don't want this to be outlawed.

Comment #57

cps10 — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:19:41 GMT

I find it very interesting that people who have never gambled online still think that it's okay...just by seeing the numbers.

Comment #56

Todd — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:18:32 GMT

Everyone who keeps saying that lotteries and horse racing are allowed under the bill, STOP SAYING THAT. Lotteries and horse racing are NOT included in the bill.

Re-read the article at the beginning of this thread. It says:

Reps. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., and Jim Leach, R-Iowa sponsored the bill. They successfully beat back an amendment to strip out exemptions in the legislation for the horse racing industry and state lotteries.

Goodlatte called that a poison pill amendment, aimed at def... [ More ]

Comment #55

cps10 — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:17:49 GMT

I think this is very interesting....in my soul, I don't think it will pass. Not to mention the ISPs stand to lose a lot of money from unhappy customers. Which will be an opportunity for an offshore ISP to start, make billions from those who wish to have freedom in their Internet browsing.

Comment #54

cps10 — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:14:22 GMT

AMEN Brother Orangeman

Comment #53

Lotterologist — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:47:41 GMT

LOTTOMIKE,

When people like YOU start thinking of Americans as US instead of as we and them , this country might become a better place.

Comment #52

Saleo Paleo — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:28:43 GMT

When did these big whigs worry about us poor working class people loosing our life savings,I don't think they worried to much when Enron and it's big shots really took all of it's employees life savings, then find Ken Lay Guilty and he conventiely died before he could be sentenced or did he,makes you wonder don't it,could work like the witness protection program I guess.

Comment #51

takeitez — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:26:21 GMT

They shut down drugs, didn't they?

ez

Comment #50

LOTTOMIKE — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:22:36 GMT

i wish we could get away with it but they will make sure no matter what that they are all shut down.i hope it doesn't happen......

Comment #49

takeitez — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:19:20 GMT

When asked one such site replied we do not run a lotto. We allow you to wager on what the number will be in the state run lotto.

ez

Comment #48

LOTTOMIKE — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:11:52 GMT

i might be wrong.correct me if i am.they are talking about state lotteries.however online lotteries that you bet on that are offshore where you bet on all states will be outlawed.

Comment #47

takeitez — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:11:24 GMT

Online lotteries are allowed in the latest bill, largely at the behest of states that increasingly rely on lotteries to augment tax revenues.

From CBS news.

ez

Comment #46

konane — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:02:54 GMT

Talking heads say anything to capture a headline so they can gloat if they called it correctly ........

It's not over until the fat lady sings, and to anyone who has any interest in this bill I suggest you email, call your congress persons or take whatever slop they decide to dish out when special interests finish with them.

Comment #45

takeitez — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:02:07 GMT

However, the lottery exemption wasn't in the bill back in 2000. If it had been, Abramoff's client probably would have backed the bill. Online lotteries are exempted this time around at the behest of states.

Taken from the article at the beginning of this thread

ez

Comment #44

LOTTOMIKE — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:53:53 GMT

i also found this.....

Internet Gambling Bill Won't Pass Senate

Monday, July 10, 2006 5:43:47 AM ET

Dow Jones Newswires

0826 GMT [Dow Jones] The possibility of a combined Leach and Goodlatte bill on internet gambling getting through both the House of Representatives and the Senate during the current Congress is very slim, says an analyst. Reckons both Leach's and Goodlatte's bill will be combined with the earliest likely House of Representatives vote taking place July 10. Sees... [ More ]

Comment #43

LOTTOMIKE — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:35:00 GMT

The legislation would clarify and update current law to spell out that most gambling is illegal online. But there would be exceptions - for state-run lotteries and horse racing - and passage isn't a safe bet in the Senate, where Republican leaders have not considered the measure a high priority.

this information gives us a little bit of hope........

Comment #42

konane — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:32:33 GMT

Flood your senators offices with emails about this and about the immigration issue. http://senate.gov/

Become a lobbying force all your own and let them know what you think.

Remember that farce immigration debacle the senate handed out that the house didn't agree with because people didn't want amnesty ........ someone obviously emailed or called their representatives.

The door swings both ways ............ call or write about this issue and about immigration, and do so as 2 separate... [ More ]

Comment #41

Todd — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:11:14 GMT

Nope, they killed those carve-outs, check the story at the beginning of this thread.

Comment #40

tojacobs — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:01:23 GMT

From AOL poll today;congress should see this and follow the will of the people

How should Congress respond to Internet gambling?

Leave it alone50%

Regulate it29%

Outlaw it20%

Total Votes: 9,292

Note on Poll Results

Have you gambled online?

No59%

Yes, occasionally19%

Yes, frequently18%

Yes, just once4%

Total Votes: 9,134

Note on Poll Results