What if you found out that NO ILOGICAL system works

Reply #44

KY Floyd — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:33:52 GMT

My money says that Koycerin is a fictional character created so that a 5 pound bag of bull crap can be packaged to look like a 10 pound bag of fertilizer. In the future it might be a good idea to do that search before buying the entire program, even if you only buy it in the sense of putting any faith in it. After reading Pac's description I'm wondering if he can get out the door of his house. His ass must be enormous with all that smoke that's been blown up it.

Reply #43

RJOh — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:24:39 GMT

If I'm successsful with that part above, then I'll attempt more complicated procedures, which I hope the programming gurus will step up to the plate and not just benefit me, but everyone else here on the LP....lol

posted by pacattack05

LOL , you make joke, right? Do you really believe there exists a plate for programmers to step up to for your benefits and those of other LP members? Keep dreaming and good luck.

Reply #42

Guru101 — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:57:29 GMT

If I'm successsful with that part above, then I'll attempt more complicated procedures, which I hope the programming gurus will step up to the plate and not just benefit me, but everyone else here on the LP....lol

You know, I've been thinking about that a little bit. I don't play Pick 3 or Pick 4, but I do play Pick 5 and Pick 6. I found many things that will eliminate millions of non-winning combinations, and I really do think a jackpot win could be any day now. If that happens, I might deci... [ More ]

Reply #41

LANTERN — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:18:55 GMT

I will be trying in the months ahead to take the Random Bull by the horns and see if I can tame it a bit.

Reply #40

JAP69 — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:41:54 GMT

They say the lottery numbers are drawn at random.

Lottery numbers are drawn from random.

When the final ball drops the random stops and the result becomes fact.

The fact then becomes a statistic.

Stats are used to determine the final fact of the next random event. We do not always get it right but we are working on it.

Reply #39

eddessaknight — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:10:11 GMT

packattack05, et al Regarding Koycerin Methodology-

@pack you have PM from me awaiting your attention-

Do you, or anyone else interested in the methodology, have any updates ???

I bought the entire program and want to share my initial reservations:

1. cannot locate any validation anywhere on the existence a Dr and or Professor John Koycerin.

2. these materials seem to be generated by an infamous systems paper mill from some wise guy operation in Brooklyn- totally without any cred... [ More ]

Reply #38

pacattack05 — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:12:26 GMT

So strange, that all these posts going around about odds and other things.

963....two days after it already hit str8 in Florida. Again like in 4 month's time, with other sets of numbers.

Reply #37

Stack47 — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:02:25 GMT

Read a gambling book by Lyle Stuart who was known for making huge bets at Craps and Baccarat tables. Baccarat is a game of steaks on the Bank or the Player and his strategy was to either bet the streak would continue or not bet at all.

The Pick-3 was 963 in Florida tonight so the streak of high digits is up to 6.

Reply #36

pacattack05 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:48:52 GMT

LOL...Yep that was me. I still utilize that and other narrowing down methods.

Those numbers up there are looking good. I like the ones that start with 4, 0, and 1.

Reply #35

CARBOB — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:23:30 GMT

Ricky,

2 numbers from 1 draw to repeat is past due.

This narrows it down to 125 numbers. (or LLH - straight filtering)

138, 139, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 425, 426, 427, 428, 429, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439

005, 006, 007, 008, 009, 115, 11... [ More ]

Reply #34

paurths — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:09:10 GMT

Tonight the number in Florida will be lower than 500!

Or at least, it should be!

Remeber that thread from 2 years ago? I don't remember who started it, might have been you lol, about how the first digit is practically never a high (or low) digit for 5 draws in a row or so?

Well, FL had these high numbers the past 5 draws...

657

554

781

963

654

Then again, one could use this strategy for every position!!!

Heck, this might be very very very interesting!!

Look at the seco... [ More ]

Reply #33

pacattack05 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:38:38 GMT

I was in no way suggesting to apply the method towards playing the p=3 in that large scale, but only as 50/50 tryout, to see if I could pick one or the other correctly.

Just using the p-3 as a random event that is being monitered, allowing reults that are actual, and not tampered with.

Reply #32

paurths — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:19:46 GMT

Some people play like 4 numbers a day, max.

Sure, if their number comes in, that is very nice.

The probability however of their number coming in is low.

The more numbers played, the higher the probability to have a hit.

But ofcourse the less the amount won, net.

Someone who wants to get rich playing the lotto should stay away from the pick3 game, and even the pick4 game.

The payouts are too low to become a millionair overnight.

On the other hand, if you settle for less, a few hun... [ More ]

Reply #31

paurths — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:58:36 GMT

Assuming one would play online, where the payout is 900 to 1, so a straight hit delivers $900 if played at $1 a number.

There is one major problem when applying the playing 000-499 or 500-999 ,

the amount one would have to spend would be total horror.

Here's an example, if one would play 500 numbers:

Day Amount/day ($)

Total amount ($)

Prize if hit ($)

Result ($)

Amount ($) per Nbr

1 500 500 900 400 1

2 1500 2000 270... [ More ]

Reply #30

paurths — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:48:06 GMT

The coin toss is pretty interesting, and also the easiest to explain.

Is it possible to toss a coin and get heads 1 million times in a row?

The answer is yes!

Now, what changes is the circumstances in which the coinn is tossed.

In first instance we might think of with what strength, in combination with what angle the coin is thrown in the air.

Secondly, there's the weather circumstances and surrounding vibrations (this might be the wind, or inside a casino, where there's no wind, it m... [ More ]

Reply #29

BobP — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:37:47 GMT

Kirk: Mr. Spock what are the odds of alien monsters on this planet?

Spock: The odds are 1 in .000000000014583

Kirk: Say again Mr. Spock. I can't hear you over all the screaming!

BobP

Reply #28

jarasan — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:07:19 GMT

This the worlds greatest Roshambo player:

I kick you in the...

Reply #27

Stack47 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:39:12 GMT

Baccarat might be the closest casino games to 50/50 and playing streaks is a strategy. They will even give you a card and a pencil to track the streaks.

I will attempt to decide which half of the p-3 will come out in Florida. 000-499 or 500-999?

In Pick-3 games the digits will either be odd or even; flip a coin for each position or play a streak. Do the same for high or low and at the most you'll only have 27 straight combos. In Florida the first digit was high the last 5 draws; will the... [ More ]

Reply #26

pacattack05 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:44:17 GMT

The coin flip is a fundamental example of what other procedures are needed in order to be successful.

He addresses this point and expalins in detail how to utilize this method with games that are more compicated than just a 50/50 chance, like lotto, horses, dogs...etc....

I truly believe that this is not your conventional methods being widely used. I like it's originality, and it just makes plain sense.

After reading this material over and over, trying to understand what I had skimmed... [ More ]

Reply #25

pacattack05 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:29:08 GMT

Here's an excerpt describing how improbable that 20 times in a row is. People keep using the number 20. 10 is acceptable, but 20 goes into the millions. So it might happen, but that is not the norm. Trust me.

You remeber our experiment with the coin toss?.....Suppose we had heads come up 10 times in a row. Now it's true we cannot be positive that heads will not come up another 10 times in a row. But how would you bet? If you just flipped a coin and had 10 heads in a row, then someone made you... [ More ]

Reply #24

Stack47 — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:06:41 GMT

Koycerin wagering method

Do most casinos put their Coin flip tables in the same pit with the Roshambo tables

Reply #23

Stack47 — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:37:35 GMT

I think I understood and was pointing out with that type of stategy, everytime 9 hits in the first position 0 would always be the play in the next draw. Somebody probably did check the past 1000 draws and saw that adding 1 (using your example) to the first postition produced the most next draw hits and did the same to the other two positions.

Reply #22

Coin Toss — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:20:19 GMT

Interesting note along with this...you know those digital read out panels next to roulette wheels that tell you what the last 20 or so spins were?

When the casinos put them in, their take on roulette games went up.

It can't possibly be another odd ( or even, or black or red, etc...)...look at the board!

People tend to forget that statistics on games of chance are based on millions of decisions. A lot of Blackjack books advise never to take insurance, but I'll tell you what, if you'r... [ More ]

Reply #21

pacattack05 — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:51:58 GMT

The following is an excerpt of the Koycerin wagering method.

Upon the first presentation of my discovery which we will refer to as Random Number Displacement or RND, for brevity, the old belief, which is still the accepted rule of random numbers by most students, was suppose to show that regardless of what happened in the past (results), it would have no bearing on the future. In other words,, if a coin was flipped 10 times and heads came up 10 times, then the odds of heads showing on the 1... [ More ]

Reply #20

eddessaknight — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 22:41:53 GMT

20 consecutive times ~J

Nota Bene- Isn't it interesting that in all even games of chance (including the above coin toss) that we have not seen nor heard of any case where heads/tails/ Red/Black, Player/Bank, etc streak for 50, 75 or 100 consecutive times, etc .....

Could it be beyond random coincidence???

The entire universe has to be understood as a single undivided... [ More ]

Reply #19

pacattack05 — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:40:22 GMT

It's like the old story about tossing a coin and coming up with heads 20 consecutive times. There's never any guarantee that the 21st time tails will come up, because the previous result does not have an effect on the next toss.

I don't know about that one. About 4 years ago, I bought this report called the Koycerin method. I even took the time to hand write it here on the LP.

He blows away what people have been taught in colleges and universities for many years. That is, that if you toss... [ More ]

Reply #18

LuckyLilly — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:25:46 GMT

I think it has been adjusted for inflation. It's just that with so many opinions plastered all over the internet, the value of said opinions has greatly depreciated. But that's just my opinion.

Reply #17

justxploring — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:19:45 GMT

However, it's still fun to try to figure one out a system anyway! I think pick-3 and pick-4 do show patterns more than the jackpot games. However, each draw is a brand new game. It's like the old story about tossing a coin and coming up with heads 20 consecutive times. There's never any guarantee that the 21st time tails will come up, because the previous result does not have an effect on the next toss.

I just thought of something, reading your post. The expression I just wanted to put... [ More ]

Reply #16

Coin Toss — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:54:59 GMT

I've been thinking about the thread title here - considering how long the lotteries have been in business and what they take in, isn't it illogical to think there would be any system that works, logical or otherwise?

Just my $.02,

YMMV (Your mileage may vary

Reply #15

Stack47 — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:18:34 GMT

The Ohio Lottery ran a commercial where people said how they pick their number to promote the Pick-3 and its slogan Odds are you'll have fun . The numbers were the standard dates, addresses, plate numbers, phone prefixes and dream numbers. Following and setting conditions when to play one number might not be much fun if the conditions were never right or they were always right and the number never hits.

I wouldn't even know where to start if wanted to analyze all 1000 combos and the resul... [ More ]

Reply #14

LANTERN — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:15:57 GMT

I could had tried to develop a one number for draw system that might make or not a profit on the long run, but that would mean that I would had to look and study the stats of the whole pick 3 numbers themseves besides that of the other patterns that they have, I would had to look at stats of whole 3 digit pick 3 numbers of thousands of draws, not something that I would like to do.

By the way, there is a whole book or two of my filters posts here at LP if you can't find the stuff on your drive... [ More ]

Reply #13

hypersoniq — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:27:11 GMT

2. If I had played only one straight combo per draw, perhaps I would had said the same thing, or might had been even worse for me.

My theory now is that when you play more than one ticket, you bet against yourself. Keep in mind I am in the black with pick 3 this year from playing one combo that hit $500, and I didn't even play the pick3 all year, just for a few months.... BUT backtesting shows 1 hit a year... 3 at best, so I dropped it after july. system shows most hits (over the entire 27 ye... [ More ]

Reply #12

LANTERN — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:05:40 GMT

1. I have never been sure if they are random enough or not.

Due to it or to whatever they do seem to keep most or all people from winning often, or Do people keep themselves from winning often? I have never been sure of that either.

2. If I had played only one straight combo per draw, perhaps I would had said the same thing, or might had been even worse for me.

3. Jaclpot games? Yes, one good win would do if it would come soon enough.

As with all gambling, Stay away from that which

Reply #11

LANTERN — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:32:00 GMT

Well! I myself did worry mostly about box hits, it did appear to be easier.

But did try straights a few times, too few times to develop a better system for straights.

Thanks.

Reply #10

LANTERN — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:26:21 GMT

I think that even for straight I used from 1 to about 45 past draws, no, It really was from 1 to 10 past draws as I can't get more than 10 past draws from the LP results and more often than not was too lazy to go elsewhere for the past draws.

Reply #9

LANTERN — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:20:07 GMT

+1, -3, 0

That might have been misunderstod.

It is like the +1, +2, +3 System for example:

Last draw 938 = :

9 + 1 = 0 on first position for next draw or whatever.

3 - 3 = 0 on second position for next draw.

8 + 0 = 8, stays the same for next draw or whatever.

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It was just a quickly made up example and not a working system for any particular game or draw.

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A system based on stats might have a better chance of making it on a game such as the

Reply #8

LANTERN — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:04:30 GMT

Playing 1 straight combination, perhaps that is why it takes so very long to hit.

If I had, then I would not had been playing for the very next draw, but for whenever it would come out, even if it took years.

Next:

Paterns is what is used for stats, all of those are patterns, even the pick 3 numbers themselves.

Timing, perhaps best to time the predicted numbers for the very next draw.

Why pick numbers that might come out far into the future? Next draw might be best.

Next:

T... [ More ]

Reply #7

LANTERN — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 08:41:45 GMT

Texas Midday Pick 3 Previous Lottery Results

Draw Date Results

Sat, Aug 18, 20073-5-2

Fri, Aug 17, 20076-3-0

Thu, Aug 16, 20075-7-8

Wed, Aug 15, 20076-0-9

Tue, Aug 14, 20074-8-2

Mon, Aug 13, 20079-1-5

Sat, Aug 11, 20071-0-1

Fri, Aug 10, 20075-1-0

Thu, Aug 9, 20072-5-6

Wed, Aug 8, 20071-9-6

As can be seen, yes digits by position do repeat sometimes for one or a few more draws, but never forever, neither for a very great number of draws, I doubt that they... [ More ]

Reply #6

RJOh — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:08:27 GMT

I don't play the pick3 games but if I did and was designing a system for it I would only worry about box hits which would reduce the possible out comes to 220. Considering the 1000 possible straight hits doesn't mean you're not going to cover yourself with a back-up box hit every time so why not just use the back-up part and save some money.

Reply #5

Badger — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:51:09 GMT

Most of the logical Pick-3 systems I've seen are based on a prior group of numbers using high/low, even/odd, sums, root sums, spreads and frequency as filters to predict the next number. Maybe we should evaluate individual numbers and look at the circumstances before its last hit and only play it when the timing is right.

Only a thousand combinations to analyze the pre-conditions for? LOL ! Talk about a life-long project. And in that many, there is bound to be a bunch that have the same pre... [ More ]

Reply #4

Stack47 — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:31:15 GMT

Lantern said:

Using something like: +1, -3, 0 Would be much more a static system than a dynamic one, but it is a little dynamic. Just the same, it might be no good at least no very often.

The problem with those systems is that the first digit 2 would always have to follow the digit 1, 9 after 8, etc. Statistics might show that 2 follows 1 more than any other number but that doesn't mean 5 will always follow 8 in the second digit and the last digit will repeat in the same draw.

But t... [ More ]

Reply #3

Stack47 — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:39:01 GMT

BUt the way I see it after years of chasing, that is not the problem. The problem is not with picking combinations, because they will all fall eventually. The real problem is in coming up with some way (and I wish I knew what it was) to tell when your combination will be drawn.

I'd like to have the money back that I spent chasing numbers over the years too but I was playing one straight combination multiple times so when it finally did hit, I got most of my money back. Had I been hooked... [ More ]

Reply #2

Badger — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:16:50 GMT

Lantern, I thiink that there are a number of ways (methods/systems) that can be used to predict things logically. As in your example, the digit 1 cannot continue forever in the second position, let's say, of a Pick 3 draw. I've seen it often enough where a particular digit does show up for 3-4 draws in the same position, and therefore, we can see its a possibility, if not a probability.

BUt the way I see it after years of chasing, that is not the problem. The problem is not with picking... [ More ]

Reply #1

hypersoniq — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:09:39 GMT

Lotteries are random enough to keep any (ANY known) system from working consistently.

for pick3, the BEST system I backtested produced 59 straight hits in 10,500 drawings... at $1 straight it would have kept you in the black, but the lean year stretches make it impractical to pick up in the middle. that's only one half of one percent correct. I need more than that to play regularly.

I have NEVER backtested a win in the powerball. BUT a system only need work ONE time for a jackpot game to... [ More ]

What if you found out that NO ILOGICAL system works

LANTERN — Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:10:13 GMT

I hope that Win D does not get upset about this tread or post!

I am kind of back, I am too addicted to posting to not post sometimes.

You might say that there is nothing logical about random, so, How can there be logical prediction systems?

The problem is that you think that there is random, after all there is the word and has a definition:

Let us take a look at some definitions:

lacking any definite plan or order or purpose; governed by or depending on chance; a random ch... [ More ]