Arizona Lottery pulls second computerized drawing machine over duplicate numbers

Comment #83

grwurston — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:44:51 GMT

Can three different combos repeat straight within one month in Md? Sure can.

811 9/8/17 Mid 079 11/3/17 Mid

811 9/20/17 Mid 079 11/22/17 Eve

484 9/26/17 Eve 144 11/4/17 Eve

484 9/28/17 Mid 144 11/19/17 Mid

464 9/7/17 Eve 542 11/2/17 Eve

464 9/27/17 Eve 542 11/27/17 Eve

565 8/27/17 Eve 700 7/1/17 Eve

565 9/5/17 Mid 700 7/17/17 Eve

095 8/28/17 Eve 909 7/9/17 Eve

095 9/1/17 Eve 909 7/23/17 Eve

811 9/18/17 Mid 359 7/10/17 Mid

811 9/20/17 Eve 359 7/25/17 Eve

Comment #82

sailmumm — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 17:16:11 GMT

Pick 3 is two times a day

Comment #81

JADELottery — Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:48:54 GMT

Number is assumed to be a straight combo and random 2 week period is assumed to be 14 draws; since lotteries other than Arizona can have multiple draws in a day.

At any moving 14 draw instum (instantaneous moment) the probability of having a repeated straight combo within the 14 draw period is about 1.29%.

On a moving 14 draw continuum (contiguous moments), the probability of having a repeated straight combo is about 18.0%.

Every combo has a very high probability of reoccurrence just af... [ More ]

Comment #80

JoeBigLotto — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 20:29:16 GMT

And talking about saving money Maine Vermont and New Hampshire teamed up to for the tri state lottery meaning they share the cost of live draw so no reason for Arizona ,New Mexico and Wyoming not to team up to form the southern tri state lottery currently by themselves at moment they really worthless so what do they have to loss anyway matter of fact add Utah and Colorado to their five state group because all five of them are equally worthless when it comes to running a serious lottery it's not... [ More ]

Comment #79

DrMiracle — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 16:52:33 GMT

Wow! they said they are using ball-system and people still believe it.

FACTS: dr.miracle said apair must follow digit patterns 6,4,0,1, in this case, date of the month, 06,16,26,04,14,24,10,20,30, 01,11,21,31

For example,

ARIZONA 41 0 NOV 10 COMPUTERIZED DRAWING

ARIZONA 41 9 NOV 16 COMPUTERIZED DRAWING

ARIZONA 41 7 DEC 01 BALL MACHINE ( REALLY)

NOW LETS VERIFY 417 PREVIOUS STRAIGHT DRAWING DATES

Fri, Dec1, 2017 Arizona Pick 3 4-1-7

Wed, Oct21, 2015 Arizona Pick

Comment #78

JoeBigLotto — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 16:48:42 GMT

I play real roulette in casinos and not alot of things are more random And have seen same numbers appear three times in a roll and everybody lost three times in a roll so this is not a problem. The problem is when you decide to marry a wife and you ask the best robot maker to make you a low maintenance wife and the robot maker delivers as requested. And then one day the robot maker sat and watch through his window in his locked house as your new robot wife chase you down the street with a kitche... [ More ]

Comment #77

KY Floyd — Sat, 02 Dec 2017 06:20:42 GMT

So what do you think is the probability of a number repeating in a random 2 week period?

A specific number, or any number? For a specific number do you pick the number and look for the first occurrence, or do you pick a drawing and look for a repeat of that result?

For the first occurrence of a specific number there will be another 23 chances for it to be drawn again in the following 2 weeks, assuming there's a midday and evening drawing. The chance it will be drawn again in 23 tries is 2... [ More ]

Comment #76

sailmumm — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 19:03:52 GMT

They had a couple ball draw machines in storage, but, no balls left. Of course they could be acquired and certified etc. It would increase expenses and reduce the amount of money returned to the state. That is a huge hurdle to convince the powers that be.

Comment #75

Todd — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 13:08:11 GMT

As I showed, it has NOT happened elsewhere. And as I explained this is the SECOND such failure. Actual probability calculations matter greatly as to if someone is just saying the lottery repeats a lot vs. I have proof that something is wrong .

Arizona is not a ball-drawn state, so the hypothetical doesn't mean anything. There hasn't been a ball-drawn state that experienced these levels of obvious malfunctions, so I really don't understand why you keep saying what if .

If a lottery wants t... [ More ]

Comment #74

grwurston — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 07:03:28 GMT

I never said that it was a problem. As a matter of fact, I questioned why the Arizona lottery had a problem with the repeats. The repeats I listed were just showing that they do happen else where as well. If Arizona was a ball draw state and someone questioned all the repeats they would have said, every thing is completely random and sometimes these things happen. Or something to that affect.

So what do you think is the probability of a number repeating in a random 2 week period

Comment #73

KY Floyd — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 05:36:35 GMT

I don't know what the probability of that is

Then what does that say about your opinion on whether or not the repeats you've listed indicate a problem

Comment #72

grwurston — Fri, 01 Dec 2017 04:26:06 GMT

As far as your probability question, I don't know what the probability of that is, and it wouldn't matter to me in how I pick my numbers.

Comment #71

sailmumm — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:07:58 GMT

You've mentioned this before. But, the AZ Revised Statutes do not limit it as you mentioned.

Comment #70

sailmumm — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 19:04:38 GMT

Only if the hacker has hands on or can access the rng through electrical connections. They are stand alone and not networked.

Comment #69

Soledad — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:21:41 GMT

The lottery itself gets rich without playing. Lol. The players are the ones playing. Not surprising. Bolita

Comment #68

Todd — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:27:23 GMT

Actually, Lottery Post has published many news stories about glitchy computerized drawings. In almost all cases it was the players who identified the problems after they noticed irregularities. In fact, I can't think of a single case where the lottery suddenly realized it has a problem on its own.

There is certainly a segment of people out there who perpetually think the lottery is rigged. These people largely do not distinguish between real ball drawings and computerized drawings. They just... [ More ]

Comment #67

KY Floyd — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 06:16:27 GMT

I have a feeling it may happen more often then we think.

Maybe it does, but the reasons c an be split into two groups: what happens and what people think. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people (maybe most people) think repeats are less likely than they really are, even when they haven't really thought about it.

Speaking of which, you didn't answer the question about what you think the probability is that you'll find a repeated number in a random 2 week period.

Comment #66

JADELottery — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 20:23:13 GMT

We may contact the Arizona Lottery, however, we did find this on the Lottery Post; that which led us to think the switch date is 2007-05-02.

Posted LP Topic - From the Arizona Lottery Site...

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The following is from the FAQ section of the Arizona Lottery Site. Tell me what you think.

Drawin... [ More ]

Comment #65

spartan1707 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:16:14 GMT

I'm here in Az and I've been complaining and trying to get them to change there ways. The more amazing issue is people don't realize the drawings are not done in Az anymore they are done by MUSL in Iowa. But the charter for the state states the lottery to conduct all drawings with in the state. They are using a loop hole for lottery scratchers to allow the drawings. More people need to know this. Since switching to machines for drawings the amount of pick3 winners has gone down almost 90%. Plus... [ More ]

Comment #64

spartan1707 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 19:04:26 GMT

I'm here in Az and I caught. But the issue is much more deeper. They have more multiple numbers with one drawing a night than any other state with one drawing. just last night 152 that makes the 25th number to come out multiple times this yr alone.

Comment #63

JADELottery — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:39:21 GMT

Yep, that would be our last resort.

Was hoping to get your readers engaged, more specifically, Arizonian Lottery patron(s) who are most affected.

Comment #62

Todd — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:47:01 GMT

You're doing some good work Jade, thanks. I'd recommend sending an e-mail to the Arizona Lottery directly for verification of the date of switch-over to computerized drawings. Unfortunately the switch back to real ball drawings is only temporary, as they are scheduled to go back to computerized drawings on Dec. 11.

Here is the Arizona Lottery's Contact Us page: http://www.arizonalottery.com/en/contact-us

Comment #61

JADELottery — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:40:03 GMT

Again, if anyone knows the date AZ started using Computer Generated Numbers other than the one we've come up with, please post.

Otherwise, we'll run with 2007-05-02.

Comment #60

JADELottery — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:35:05 GMT

It is possible the Pick 3 repeat this last go around was normal.

However, it was a good move on part of the Arizona Lottery to return to Ball Drawn Numbers in an effort to boost player confidence that the numbers are truly random.

Comment #59

JADELottery — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:23:20 GMT

You're excused.

Seeding can be hard coded using a system timer or some other event such that when an application, subroutine, or object is initiated the pseudo generator is seeded.

It is likely this has been done.

We work with this kind of programming standard in various languages.

Comment #58

beret32 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:58:08 GMT

I distrust RNGs in lotteries because they have the potential to be hacked in ways that can be invisible. I would prefer all lotteries to use physical devices.

However, the technology itself is sound. If the machine was properly set up and protected, it would produce viable random numbers. Intel chips, for example, use thermal noise to generate a seed. From the RdRand Wikipedia article:

The entropy source for the RDSEED instruction runs asynchronously on a self-timed circuit and uses

Comment #57

Soledad — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:35:02 GMT

Oh okay excuse me then, I didn't know that as well. The dates of those i suppose would need to be checked and all , I haven't done that. My understanding with RNG's is that the seed needs to be changed. They are pseudo random at best which imo changes the game because there's no extra variable and all, the seed will pick the number and that number depends on the seed. Anyways, ok or not. I guess it should be looked into, but I'm sure they're more than capable of finding out the reason because th... [ More ]

Comment #56

JADELottery — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:10:02 GMT

It was more than just Pick 3.

It was also Fantasy 5, All or Nothing, and 5 Card Cash; all of which have even greater odds of repeating than just Pick 3.

Comment #55

Soledad — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 12:04:35 GMT

Wait are you kidding me, this is over 'three'? exact repeats in a month. All this complaining as if you're complaining about the fact that a straight repeated number can't come more than once in a certain period of time? Based on what? Supposed odds? Please I hope that's not why people are complaining. Because that wouldn't make any sense as to why you are playing. It's not like 3 in a row the exact same three in a row twice happened. What the heck is everybody complaining about? Like it can't h... [ More ]

Comment #54

grwurston — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 06:57:37 GMT

What I posted as far as the repeats in Md, is only what we experienced here in the last 4 months. The boxes were all the ones that repeated draw to draw or day to day.

What I'm currently doing is taking all of the clean numbers and running an all history search to see just how often numbers repeat straight within 20 days. So far I've only done 6 combos 015-016-017-018-019-025, with the requirement of straight only repeats within 20 days only.

Just in these 6 combos, I've found three instan... [ More ]

Comment #53

KY Floyd — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 05:39:56 GMT

looking at sums

Is numerology, not statistics.

That's just chasing things down a rabbit hole

I know that RNG's occasionally produce flawed results, but I figure most of the worry about them is chasing things down a rabbit hole.

Still, looking at box results would be part of an analysis of whether or not results are random. The probabilities are different and it would take a lot more repeats when including box results, but why would that make them totally irrelevant?

8/28 eve 0... [ More ]

Comment #52

grwurston — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 00:44:46 GMT

I was just wondering... What every one's reaction to all these repeat drawings would be if Arizona was a ball drawing state

Comment #51

sailmumm — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:45:37 GMT

I wonder if the lottery still has two old ball machines hiding in the warehouse in a cage? Ready and waiting to be used or surplused.

Comment #50

JADELottery — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:03:27 GMT

If anyone can verify, the AZ Computer Generated Numbers switch date appears to be 2007-05-02.

Comment #49

noise-gate — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:57:44 GMT

All l know is that, l am not a fan of the word : Temporary! Imagine your gf,bf, spouse telling you that they are temporary leaving you. Losing your job, temporary. Your family disowning you, Temporary. Not good, not good

Comment #48

JADELottery — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 13:33:50 GMT

Does anyone know when AZ began using computer generated numbers?

Or, have they always used computer generated numbers

Comment #47

Todd — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 02:26:00 GMT

Absolutely -- direct but respectful feedback is always best. Real-world examples of not playing computerized games, or how you in some way purchase fewer tickets as a result of the loss in confidence in the drawings makes an important point to the lotteries using computerized drawings.

State lotteries are basically marketing companies, so if it finally gets through to them that computerized drawings turn away sales they might do something about it.

One state -- Indiana -- in fact went bac... [ More ]

Comment #46

JADELottery — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 02:24:03 GMT

We analyzed the MD Pick 3 Mid/Eve combined, using a round figure of 20 draws between straight repeats.

The table below shows all the straight repeats for 20 draws or less.

If the First Draw date is the same as the Repeat Draw date, it's a repeat during a Mid/Eve same day draw.

Everything appears to be about what we would expect for a Pick 3 game.

The relative frequency of events appears to be nearly equal and homogeneous year to year; meaning, they have about the same number of occur... [ More ]

Comment #45

grwurston — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 02:15:23 GMT

Well, there is 186 thousand of us here at LP. Is there anything we can do collectively to try and convince Arizona (or any state) to get rid of computer draws and go to ball drawings? They have Facebook, twitter, instagram. Maybe we should just bombard them with negative comments about the RNG's. It couldn't hurt. What do you think

Comment #44

Todd — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:28:26 GMT

What you're showing is most certainly not even close to what happened in Arizona. Arizona has three sets of numbers repeat straight within one month -- with one combination repeating a third time. You have shown numbers repeating months apart, which is what you would expect over time.

Plus, you're forgetting that this is the SECOND TIME this has happened in Arizona within a month. The first machine did the same thing across all games, then the second machine did what is described in this news... [ More ]

Comment #43

grwurston — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:01:36 GMT

You asked for straight duplicates, ...within a 2 week period for both. I did that.

8/28 eve 095

9/1 mid 095

9/26 eve 484

9/29 mid 484

11/3 mid 079

11/22 eve 079 Yeah I know, the last one is 19 days later.

In the first paragraph of the article it says, ...because it repeatedly chose duplicate numbers. Then later on it references the 804. And that was it. It doesn't even mention the 403 or 790. I included the Arizona website post to provide more info about it to every one.... [ More ]

Comment #42

LiveInGreenBay — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 23:31:54 GMT

Random: Without definite aim, direction, rule or method. By this definition, can any lottery draw be truly random regardless of method? IMO nothing man-made can be random.

Comment #41

Todd — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 23:25:37 GMT

A box combination repeating has very low odds compared to a straight repeating, so there is no comparison. A simple calculation will show that box combinations SHOULD repeat regularly within a given time period, whereas not so much with straights.

If you want to show that a single digit is drawn more frequently than others, that would be a fine test to make. Lottery Post provides digit statistics on all games for premium members, so you can see that kind of information effortlessly.

Howev... [ More ]

Comment #40

KY Floyd — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 22:29:39 GMT

Box combinations are not duplicates.

Not that there aren't other flaws with the examples posted, but how are box combinations not duplicates if you're looking for evidence that an RNG isn't random enough? Perhaps it's possible to program an RNG's to select a 3 digit number from the 1000 possible numbers, but as the issue with no duplicate digits in Tennessee demonstrated the usual method is to sequentially, and randomly (one hopes), choose 3 single digits.

In that case any single digit be... [ More ]

Comment #39

Todd — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 20:44:12 GMT

That's what I was getting at and what I was seeing myself. Thanks for your independent confirmation

Comment #38

Todd — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 20:43:31 GMT

It may be caused by a poor RNG or a poor random seed -- or a combination of both. The lottery has stated that they will publicly announce the findings once they have finished their investigation, so hopefully we'll find otu for sure at some point.

Comment #37

JADELottery — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 19:40:41 GMT

We downloaded all MD Pick 3 draws for both Mid and Eve from the Lottery Post.

We did not find anything unusual with the picks as it relates to both Straight and Boxed numbers, in both cases of Mid and Eve separate or combined.

Comment #36

Ron5995 — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 19:25:55 GMT

Repeats are common in random number sequences. Many players utilize strategies with repeats in mind, so it would seem risky for a lottery to intentionally cause them. Many lottery pre-test procedures call for machines and/or ball sets to be exchanged and/or excluded in the event of excess digit repeats.

What I can't understand is what is causing the AZ Lottery RNG problems. Is the memory not being cleared (procedural problem; skipping steps) or something more serious, such as a faulty RNG see... [ More ]

Comment #35

Todd — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 15:43:55 GMT

No, DrMiracle, Arizona is not using software or a system right now. They are using a ball machine. It is a good thing. Too bad it can't be permanent. Believe it or not, 000 is sometimes drawn in a ball machine.

Comment #34

DrMiracle — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 15:02:36 GMT

like i said couple years ago, they try to fool you all the time.

On Nov 23, 000, ARIZONA

I already explained 000 on my thread,

ITS THE RESET, ( GO AND LOOK FOR MY THREAD I HAVE POSTED YEARS AGO)

On Nov 25, 388 ( remember this is new system as they said after Nov 21)

Remember but on Nov 18, 133

Dr Miracle said, digits follows dr.miracle's pattern 3,5,8,

end of the day, they haven't done anything, its the same software they are using before and after Nov 21

Sat, N... [ More ]

Comment #33

Todd — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 13:01:15 GMT

Like I said, please only show Straight duplicates, drawn within one month for either mid or eve only, or within a 2-week period for both. Box combinations are not duplicates. (They may be for your analysis, but not for checking if a RNG is operating properly in this case.)

This is easy, because you said it happens much, much worse in Maryland. Please do not post a bunch a box combinations, sums, or anything other than straight duplicates. The examples I see from you are not duplicates.

Comment #32

grwurston — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 03:49:07 GMT

Here you go Todd, not all straights but a heck of a lot of repeats.

This is a ball drawing state. Maryland loves repeats.

7/31 eve 271

8/1 eve 712

8/8 mid 941

8/8 eve 914

8/9 mid 642

8/10 eve 426

8/18 mid 590

8/19 mid 950

8/20 mid 287

8/20 eve 872

8/28 eve 095

9/1 mid 095

9/18 mid 426

9/19 mid 462

9/26 eve 484

9/29 mid 484

10/3 mid 897

10/4 eve 978

10/13 eve 358

10/14 mid 538

10/10 mid 072

10/11 eve 027

10/11 mid 907

10/1... [ More ]

Comment #31

Todd — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 01:43:16 GMT

grwurston, can you please post a similar set of results for the Maryland Lottery, showing duplicate Pick 3 Straight combinations all drawn with a month's time? You said it happens all the time, and much, much worse , so it should be very easy to find a similar (and worse) set of drawings within a month's time.

Remember, Arizona only has one drawing per day, unlike Maryland, which has two draws per day, so to be fair you can only use midday or evening drawings, not a mix between the two. Or el... [ More ]

Comment #30

grwurston — Mon, 27 Nov 2017 01:20:08 GMT

According to the Arizona Lottery website these are the Pick 3 drawings that are causing all the commotion. Now if they want to switch to ball drawings, I'm all for it. However, Maryland has ball drawings, and we see this sort of thing all the time and much, much, worse than this. So I don't know what Arizona's problem is.

Now IMO, if Arizona is going to start changing their RNG's over something like this, if I played there I would be EXTREMELY concerned about that. Why? Because you can bet yo... [ More ]

Comment #29

Hermanus104 — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:23:47 GMT

In Virginia, numbers sell out if too many people play. I attempted to play a triple once and I was told that the number sold out.

California do pari-mutuel drawings. Therefore, if 000 hits, each winner gets less money.

Those are two ways of resolving that issue.

Comment #28

Hermanus104 — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:21:16 GMT

They probably won't realize this until someone starts winning every drawing. That will get the point across to them.

Comment #27

JoeBigLotto — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:56:18 GMT

I don't have 100 percent evidence they do but I do know it gives humans more ability to influence the number outcome and any such opportunity is not a good news to players. When I go to casino I play real roulette it's more safe and less program than say pulling slot machine. Anything computerised is not computerised naturally but difficult to hit like say 000 or 111 they don't like thoes alot lol

Comment #26

LiveInGreenBay — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:03:49 GMT

Are you saying they can control the numbers drawn? That would he highly illegal and result in prison terms for those involved IMO. I don't think thats the case. They use RNG's because its cheaper and it does have flaws. Use them to your advantage.

Comment #25

JoeBigLotto — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:41:58 GMT

That is why they want computerised drawing they don't want 000 to hit that cost them money they want to be able to program the out come 000 is a number actually a good number because people loss with 000 everyday so winning one time is fair.

Comment #24

MillionsWanted — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:01:02 GMT

Play the numbers then, instead of tipping off the lottery company.

Comment #23

atoz — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:12:03 GMT

Missouri has the same problem too ....so many same numbers and we have told them but they absolutly assure us thats normal and nothing is wrong.

I call BS

Comment #22

rca1952 — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 02:05:58 GMT

I agree with voting with dollars! Now Washington state needs to do the same...They have been drawing duplicate numbers for a long time

Comment #21

LiveInGreenBay — Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:59:49 GMT

I don't get it. Who wants mechanical balls when you have this? Random vs predictable. Come on man.

Comment #20

MADDOG10 — Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:11:29 GMT

I Think they need to replace the Lottery Commission in Arizona, instead of replacing the Lottery machine

with another computerized Machine. Holy Moly, doesn't this set off any Alarms? Do they really think they're going to gain

the trust back? Complete foolishness.

Comment #19

Kingofearth — Sat, 25 Nov 2017 19:00:01 GMT

Good thing 804 isn't an Arizona area code otherwise the lottery would have had to give out ALOT of money.

Comment #18

DELotteryPlyr — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 20:40:51 GMT

Wonder if today's winning number will be

001

Also, MD throws ALOT of repeats, we have documented how bad in out pick 3 threads. I get the feeling the PRE-TESTS also had the 804 hitting.

Comment #17

LottoBux — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 19:58:09 GMT

You Could Just Play 804 Straight Every Draw.

Tue, Nov 21, 2017 Arizona Pick 3 8-0-4

Wed, Nov 15, 2017 Arizona Pick 3 8-0-4

Mon, Oct 9, 2017 Arizona Pick 3 8-0-4

Thu, Aug 17, 2017 Arizona Pick 3 4-0-8

Thu, Sep 29, 2016 Arizona Pick 3 8-0-4

Thu, Jul 21, 2016 Arizona Pick 3 0-4-8

Thu, Jun 23, 2016 Arizona Pick 3 8-0-4

Sat, Apr 18, 2015 Arizona Pick 3 8-0-4

So Now They Are Temporarily Using A Ball Drawn Machine

And Yesterday 000 Hits? Makes You Wond... [ More ]

Comment #16

MillionsWanted — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 16:20:28 GMT

Well, that was a bit.... EMBARRASSING.

Comment #15

bigdaddy — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:41:20 GMT

Both draw methods have holes in them,they are predictable...if I can take the same 125 pick 4 numbers and hit 3 draws in a row..like I'm doing in LA LOTTERY right now....it can be done

Comment #14

kowal4 — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:43:52 GMT

Just wanted to point out that DEC 7 is a date which will live in infamy , not DEC 11.

Comment #13

RL-RANDOMLOGIC — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 12:12:16 GMT

I see this all the time playing around with RNG's. What baffles me is how the thing ever made

it into service. I guess they forgot to test it after downloading it off the net.

RL

Comment #12

Stack47 — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 04:27:27 GMT

The Arizona Lottery has taken a second computerized lottery drawing machine out of operation because it repeatedly chose duplicate numbers.

Why hasn't a third grader somebody explained to the Arizona Lottery director the problem is with the program

Comment #11

JADELottery — Fri, 24 Nov 2017 01:06:38 GMT

Yeeaah... called it.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/315821/5294580

The only take away we get from this is, it appears they are desperately trying to avoid the demon that lurks within computer generated numbers.

We have our own take as to why this happened, however, it's just speculation.

In the meantime, as long as this problem is not seriously addressed, it will happen again.

Like all things these days, it will be handled by alleviating the symptoms.

At this point, word... [ More ]

Comment #10

JoeBigLotto — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 20:19:25 GMT

Left to me I will take all thoes computerised machine and sholve it somewhere I can't type at moment on all thoes managers making decisions . I prefer that to my money back

Comment #9

Ron5995 — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 19:30:11 GMT

Exactly! In my view, finding and exploiting RNG flaws is a great lottery system.

I'd like to see an article on RNG machine hardware along with how RNGs typical function in detail, including specific draw procedures.

One would think with all the scandals and problems, Arizona would go ball draw indefinitely. But it's cheaper and easier to use RNG. Presumably, AZ Lottery figures most numbers players will continue to play, regardless.

However, if these RNG problems keep happening, there ma... [ More ]

Comment #8

LiveInGreenBay — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 19:21:46 GMT

Sometime ago I emailed the Wisconsin lottery asking to receive a list of pre-draws for supercash. They told me I had to file a freedom of information request and it could take a few weeks. LOL

Comment #7

gregs241 — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 19:19:00 GMT

Whether electronic or mechanical drawings, ALL procedures by the lottery associations need to be open and transparent to the general public. Thank you.

Comment #6

LiveInGreenBay — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:51:10 GMT

I like RNG computers. The numbers aren't random.

Comment #5

noise-gate — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:35:29 GMT

l wonder if Edgar is embarrassed this time around? It's no different than buying the same model car twice, having problems with both, but deciding its in your best interest to stick with them. Lotterypost could sent a copy to Arizona news organization on their drive to return to mechanical drawings.l say: Let it hit the fan!

* Going to follow the contours of the turkey, in 90 minutes.

Comment #4

spartan1707 — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:31:05 GMT

I Knew it. I complained to them multiple times and they refused to look into it. Last drawing of 804 which was drawn again back on the 10th. They are slowly getting caught at their pick the least drawn numbers for each pick3 game. But the problem is much deeper than this. I pointed out how other states who have 1 drawing a day only pick a number drawn again at less than 15% throughout the yr. Yet Arizona has multiple numbers which are drawn multiple times through out the yr such as 804-802-319-a... [ More ]

Comment #3

sam9009 — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:02:56 GMT

I don't understand.

There's repeats in live ball drawings too.

Comment #2

Hermanus104 — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 17:55:50 GMT

Although the RNG can't be ruled out, these things sometimes happen even when balls are used.

Virginia, a ball state, drew 805 in the daytime three times in seven days. Texas, another ball state, take their randomness very seriously. They even post their pre-draw results online. Still, I remember Texas drawing 277 three times in four days. I'm pretty sure it was in 2009 or 2010 - back when they were still doing only two drawings per day.

However, I do applaud Arizona for even temporaril... [ More ]

Comment #1

music* — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 17:54:51 GMT

It is now up to the Arizona Lottery players to vote with their dollars. Spend or not spend on computerized drawings. Vote with their dollars on real lottery ball machines.

Arizona Lottery pulls second computerized drawing machine over duplicate numbers

Lottery Post — Thu, 23 Nov 2017 17:37:36 GMT

Lottery will TEMPORARILY switch to real ball drawings while new computerized drawing machines are prepared

By Todd Northrop

The Arizona Lottery has taken a second computerized lottery drawing machine out of operation because it repeatedly chose duplicate numbers.

Just last month the Arizona Lottery took its first computerized drawing machine out of service for the same problem. (See Arizona Lottery computerized drawing machine generated identical winning numbers, Lottery Post, Oct. 6, 2... [ More ]