It is now up to the Arizona Lottery players to vote with their dollars. Spend or not spend on computerized drawings. Vote with their dollars on real lottery ball machines. 

Although the RNG can't be ruled out, these things sometimes happen even when balls are used. 

Virginia, a ball state, drew 805 in the daytime three times in seven days. Texas, another ball state, take their randomness very seriously. They even post their pre-draw results online. Still, I remember Texas drawing 277 three times in four days. I'm pretty sure it was in 2009 or 2010 - back when they were still doing only two drawings per day.

However, I do applaud Arizona for even temporarily going to ball drawings.

I don't understand.

There's repeats in live ball drawings too.

I Knew it. I complained to them multiple times and they refused to look into it. Last drawing of 804 which was drawn again back on the 10th. They are slowly getting caught at their pick the least drawn numbers for each pick3 game. But the problem is much deeper than this. I pointed out how other states who have 1 drawing a day only pick a number drawn again at less than 15% throughout the yr. Yet Arizona has multiple numbers which are drawn multiple  times through out the yr such as 804-802-319-and doubles as well. Does anyone know how to sue the state which uses MSL as their lottery drawer? There is plenty of evidence directly from them to prove that they are rigging the drawings. This article says Arizona only had 3 drawings of 804 but it is actually 4. There are other numbers as well.

l wonder if Edgar is " embarrassed" this time around? It's no different than buying the same model car twice, having problems with both, but deciding its in your best interest to stick with them. Lotterypost could sent a copy to Arizona news organization on their drive to return to mechanical drawings.l say: Let it hit the fan!

*  Going to follow the contours of the turkey, in 90 minutes.

I like RNG computers.  The numbers aren't random.

Whether electronic or mechanical drawings, ALL procedures by the lottery associations need to be open and transparent to the general public.  Thank you.

Sometime ago I emailed the Wisconsin lottery asking to receive a list of pre-draws for supercash.  They told me I had to file a freedom of information request and it could take a few weeks.  LOL

Exactly! In my view, finding and exploiting RNG flaws is a great lottery system.

I'd like to see an article on RNG machine hardware along with how RNGs typical function in detail, including specific draw procedures.

One would think with all the scandals and problems, Arizona would go ball draw indefinitely. But it's cheaper and easier to use  RNG. Presumably, AZ Lottery figures most numbers players will continue to play, regardless.

However, if these RNG problems keep happening, there may come a tipping point. It already has happened with Hot Lotto being replaced with Lotto America, which is ball draw.

Left to me I will take all thoes computerised machine and sholve it somewhere I can't type at moment on all thoes managers making decisions . I prefer that to my money back 

Yeeaah... called it.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/315821/5294580

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The only take away we get from this is, it appears they are desperately trying to avoid the demon that lurks within computer generated numbers.

We have our own take as to why this happened, however, it's just speculation.

In the meantime, as long as this problem is not seriously addressed, it will happen again.

Like all things these days, it will be handled by alleviating the symptoms.

At this point, word marking are the words of the day.

Everyone should Watch for it and Profit from it.

Good Luck.

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And the problem continues...

The Arizona Lottery has taken a second computerized lottery drawing machine out of operation because it repeatedly chose duplicate numbers.

Why hasn't a third grader somebody explained to the Arizona Lottery director the problem is with the program? 

I see this all the time playing around with RNG's.  What baffles me is how the thing ever made

it into service.  I guess they forgot to test it after downloading it off the net.

RL

Just wanted to point out that DEC 7 is "a date which will live in infamy", not DEC 11.

Both draw methods have holes in them,they are predictable...if I can take the same 125 pick 4 numbers and hit 3 draws in a row..like I'm doing in LA LOTTERY right now....it can be done

Well, that was a bit.... EMBARRASSING. 

You Could Just Play 804 Straight Every Draw.

So Now They Are Temporarily Using A Ball Drawn Machine

And Yesterday 000 Hits? Makes You Wonder.....

Wonder if today's winning number will be

      001 

Also, MD throws ALOT of repeats, we have documented how bad in out pick 3 threads.  I get the feeling the PRE-TESTS also had the 804 hitting. 

Good thing 804 isn't an Arizona area code otherwise the lottery would have had to give out ALOT of money.

I Think they need to replace the Lottery Commission in Arizona, instead of replacing the Lottery machine

with another computerized Machine. Holy Moly, doesn't this set off any Alarms? Do they really think they're going to gain

the trust back? Complete foolishness. 

I don't get it.  Who wants mechanical balls when you have this?  Random vs predictable.  Come on man.

I agree with voting with dollars! Now Washington state needs to do the same...They have been drawing duplicate numbers for a long time!

Missouri has the same problem too ....so many same numbers and we have told them but they absolutly assure us thats normal and nothing is wrong.

I call BS

Play the numbers then, instead of tipping off the lottery company.

That is why they want computerised drawing they don't want 000 to hit that cost them money they want to be able to program the out come 000 is a number actually a good number because people loss with 000 everyday so winning one time is fair.

Are you saying they can control the numbers drawn?  That would he highly illegal and result in prison terms for those involved IMO.  I don't think thats the case.  They use RNG's because its cheaper and it does have flaws.  Use them to your advantage.

I don't have 100 percent evidence they do but I do know it gives humans more ability to influence the number outcome and any such opportunity is not a good news to players. When I go to casino I play real roulette it's more safe and less program than say pulling slot machine. Anything computerised is not computerised naturally but difficult to hit like say 000 or 111 they don't like thoes alot lol

They probably won't realize this until someone starts winning every drawing. That will get the point across to them.

In Virginia, numbers sell out if too many people play. I attempted to play a triple once and I was told that the number sold out. 

California do pari-mutuel drawings. Therefore, if 000 hits, each winner gets less money. 

Those are two ways of resolving that issue.

According to the Arizona Lottery website these are the Pick 3 drawings that are causing all  the commotion. Now if they want to switch to ball drawings, I'm all for it. However, Maryland has ball drawings, and we see this sort of thing all the time and much, much, worse than this. So I don't know what Arizona's problem is.

Now IMO, if Arizona is going to start changing their RNG's over something like this, if I played there I would be EXTREMELY concerned about that. Why? Because you can bet your last dollar, that now the new RNG's will be programmed to not allow any Pick 3 number to be drawn again in X number of draws. X could be 5 draws, 10, 25, 50, 200, 500 draws or any number they want. Next question is, will it be only straight numbers that will not be allowed to repeat or will that include the box combos also? Now if the players can somehow figure what X is, they can just NOT play the numbers from the last however many drawings.

So now if they do program it so that numbers cannot repeat in X number of draws, they will be damaging the integrity of the game. (If they haven't damaged it already). And the fact that they are even questioning this at all, shows that they will damage it by reprogramming, or buying new computers that will do something more to their liking. 

And then they want us to believe all of their; "The lottery's are completely random" BS.

Stupid Lottery...  

By SAlessi
Nov. 22, 2017
 
STATEMENT

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Nikki O’Shea, Arizona Lottery, (480) 921-4438

Subject: November 15 – November 21 Pick 3 Draw Issue

Arizona Lottery Players:

Following standard draw operations conducted by the Multi-State Lottery Association on November 21, 2017, Arizona Lottery identified duplicate draw results for its in-state game, Pick 3. The lottery’s Random Number Generator (RNG) drew the following numbers on the following dates:

         Pick 3 Numbers:   8-0-4                      Pick 3 Numbers: 4-0-3                Pick 3 Numbers:  7-9-0

          First draw: Oct. 9, 2017                  First draw:  Nov. 1, 2017              First draw:  Nov. 8, 2017

Duplicate draws: Nov.15, 2017          Duplicate draw: Nov. 20, 2017         Duplicate draw:Nov. 17,2017

                         Nov. 21,2017

grwurston, can you please post a similar set of results for the Maryland Lottery, showing duplicate Pick 3 Straight combinations all drawn with a month's time?  You said it "happens all the time, and much, much worse", so it should be very easy to find a similar (and worse) set of drawings within a month's time.

Remember, Arizona only has one drawing per day, unlike Maryland, which has two draws per day, so to be fair you can only use midday or evening drawings, not a mix between the two.  Or else you can do a mix between the two, but only within a two-week time frame.

Here you go Todd, not all straights but a heck of a lot of repeats.

This is a ball drawing state.  Maryland loves repeats.

7/31 eve  271

8/1   eve  712

8/8   mid  941

8/8   eve  914

8/9   mid  642

8/10 eve  426

8/18 mid  590

8/19 mid  950

8/20 mid  287

8/20 eve  872

8/28 eve  095

9/1   mid  095

9/18 mid  426

9/19 mid  462

9/26 eve  484

9/29 mid  484

10/3 mid  897

10/4 eve  978

10/13 eve 358

10/14 mid 538

10/10 mid 072

10/11 eve 027

10/11 mid 907

10/19 eve 970

11/3  mid  079

11/8  eve  097

11/22 eve 079

Also, sum 16 has hit on. 

10/11 mid  907

10/12 mid  925

10/13 mid  358

10/13 eve  439

10/14 mid  538

How about this?

1/21/17  eve  672

1/22/17  eve  627

1/23/17  eve  726

Or this? A year ago.

11/9/16   eve 6475

11/14/16  eve 5746

11/15/16  eve 7546

11/19/16  eve 7456

By the way, guess what hit 2 days ago?

11/24/17 mid 4675

Like I said, please only show Straight duplicates, drawn within one month for either mid or eve only, or within a 2-week period for both.  Box combinations are not duplicates.  (They may be for your analysis, but not for checking if a RNG is operating properly in this case.)

This is easy, because you said it happens "much, much worse" in Maryland.  Please do not post a bunch a box combinations, sums, or anything other than straight duplicates.  The examples I see from you are not duplicates.

like i said couple years ago, they try to fool you all the time. 

On Nov 23, 000,  ARIZONA 

I already explained 000 on my thread,

ITS THE RESET, ( GO AND LOOK FOR MY THREAD  I HAVE POSTED YEARS AGO)

On Nov 25, 388 (  remember this is new system as they said after Nov 21)

Remember but on Nov 18, 133 

Dr Miracle said, digits follows dr.miracle's pattern 3,5,8, 

end of the day, they haven't done anything, its the same software they are using before and after Nov 21

No, DrMiracle, Arizona is not using software or a "system" right now.  They are using a ball machine.  It is a good thing.  Too bad it can't be permanent.  Believe it or not, 000 is sometimes drawn in a ball machine.

Repeats are common in random number sequences. Many players utilize strategies with repeats in mind, so it would seem risky for a lottery to intentionally cause them. Many lottery pre-test procedures call for machines and/or ball sets to be exchanged and/or excluded in the event of excess digit repeats.

What I can't understand is what is causing the AZ Lottery RNG problems. Is the memory not being cleared (procedural problem; skipping steps) or something more serious, such as a faulty RNG seed allowing for repeat patterns. Until Arizona Lottery explains what happened in detail, best to assume all AZ Lottery RNG drawings are suspect.

On the bright side, the various RNG glitches are opportunities for players. Sure, one should complain, but if AZ Lottery continues to insist on RNG, take advantage!

Figure on repeats. Plus, look for excess and/or lack of duplicate digits. From what I recall, TN Lottery RNG had such issues. For players who noticed, they could have improved their payback percentage to better than 70% or maybe even 80%; greatly reduced lottery house margin. Nearby repeats are even more promising with potential of over 100% payback; having an advantage over the house.

Bottom line, AZ Lottery should stay with ball draw indefinitely. Would build player confidence and protect the lottery from excess payouts.

We downloaded all MD Pick 3 draws for both Mid and Eve from the Lottery Post.

We did not find anything unusual with the picks as it relates to both Straight and Boxed numbers, in both cases of Mid and Eve separate or combined.

It may be caused by a poor RNG or a poor random seed -- or a combination of both.  The lottery has stated that they will publicly announce the findings once they have finished their investigation, so hopefully we'll find otu for sure at some point.

That's what I was getting at and what I was seeing myself.  Thanks for your independent confirmation!

"Box combinations are not duplicates."

Not that there aren't other flaws with the examples posted, but how are box combinations not duplicates if you're looking for evidence that an RNG isn't random enough? Perhaps it's possible to program an RNG's to select a 3 digit number from the 1000 possible numbers, but as the issue with no duplicate digits in Tennessee demonstrated the usual method is to sequentially, and randomly (one hopes), choose 3 single digits.

In that case any single digit being drawn more than is statistically reasonable could be viewed as evidence that the RNG is favoring that digit for some reason. Similarly, 804, 408, and 480 could be viewed as evidence that selecting one of those digits somehow increases the chance that one of the other digits will be selected as he 2nd or 3rd digit. I'm sure that it would require rather bizarre programming for that to happen, but in a world where the lottery doesn't have access to the source code how do you rule out the possibility other than a statistical analysis that looks at both straight and box results?

A box combination repeating has very low odds compared to a straight repeating, so there is no comparison.  A simple calculation will show that box combinations SHOULD repeat regularly within a given time period, whereas not so much with straights.

If you want to show that a single digit is drawn more frequently than others, that would be a fine test to make.  Lottery Post provides digit statistics on all games for premium members, so you can see that kind of information effortlessly. 

However, looking at some similar box combinations -- and worse, looking at sums -- has nothing to do with certain digits coming out more frequently.  That's just chasing things down a rabbit hole and completely missing the point.  And looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Random:  Without definite aim, direction, rule or method.  By this definition, can any lottery draw be truly random regardless of method?  IMO nothing man-made can be random.

You asked for straight duplicates,  ...within a 2 week period for both. I did that.

8/28  eve 095

9/1    mid 095

9/26  eve  484

9/29  mid  484

11/3  mid  079

11/22 eve 079   Yeah I know, the last one is 19 days later.

In the first paragraph of the article it says, ...because it repeatedly chose duplicate numbers.  Then later on it references the 804. And that was it. It doesn't even mention the 403 or 790.  I included the Arizona website post to provide more info about it to every one.

Now let's just say I had not posted the Arizona lottery info about the other two numbers.

The article leads one to believe the Arizona lottery was upset because one number, the 804, had repeated three times between two dates, Nov 15, and Nov. 21. (Those dates actually. The first hit was Oct. 19). At that point, I'm thinking, They're crying about one number? You want to see repeats, look at Md. I finished the story and that is when I made my post about repeating numbers. Then I went to the Arizona site and included the rest.

What you're showing is most certainly not even close to what happened in Arizona.  Arizona has three sets of numbers repeat straight within one month -- with one combination repeating a third time.  You have shown numbers repeating months apart, which is what you would expect over time.

Plus, you're forgetting that this is the SECOND TIME this has happened in Arizona within a month.  The first machine did the same thing across all games, then the second machine did what is described in this news story.

The reason I am taking pains to monitor and reply to this story is that the subject of computerized drawings is absolutely terrible for the lottery industry, and I would not want statistically legitimate outcomes in a ball drawing to cloud or minimize the horrendous errors, mistakes, and glitches that continue to surround computerized drawings.

When you made the statement about the "same" thing happening in Maryland (and "much, much worse"), that is just wrong.  It has not happened in Maryland, and most certainly not worse.  There may be some statistical anomalies that you would want to discuss, but it's not even in the same league.  I am not minimizing what you're saying, or in any way trying to discourage you from discussing the topic.  But it's not the same thing as this horrendous computerized drawing fiasco in Arizona, and it should be discussed as a separate topic.