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Do you prefer computerized drawings or mechanical ball machine drawings?

Computerized drawings [ 17 ]  [7.26%]
Mechanical ball machine drawings [ 217 ]  [92.74%]
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jarasan's avatar - patrick
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Posted: August 28, 2007, 8:37 pm - IP Logged Bottom

  I think I've made my position very clear on this subject. Aside from the very valid argument that they're more easily and undetectably compromised, using computers to draw lottery numbers removes an essential element from all of the games. We enjoy the excitement of watching the balls blow around inside the hoppers, watching our numbers roll out one by one and, most of all, anticipating that final number while our hearts pound so hard we think we'll pass out or die.

  Now, that's exciting; that's a real lottery drawing.

   I've watched tens of thousands of true lottery drawings over the years, and I don't remember thinking, even once, "Gee, I wish these drawings were more technologically advanced." Funny thing is, I've never seen even ONE drawing made by a computer. I've seen animated images of computer drawings that were made to look like they were drawn using balls, but I've never seen the actual drawing in real time.

  I wish someone would apply this wonderful technology to a game that would cause the general public to see what we've seen. I wish some sports team owner would wake up and realize that he could save hundreds of millions of dollars per year just by creating and organizing virtual football or basketball teams. No more injuries; no more scandals and no more multi-million dollar player contracts. My God; why NOT do it? NASCAR sponsors and owners could also save scads of money by turning live races into video games, as they've done with these virtual lottery drawings. 

  Just because new technology is available for a given application does not necessarily indicate that it can or should be adopted. We have the technology to enable our government to know, at any given moment, what ANYONE in the country is doing, even while they're inside their own homes. Does this mean we should allow them to do it? We have the technology and means to decimate every other country in the world. Why isn't this technology being utilized? These are extreme examples, to be sure, but here's one more: We have the technology to grow staple crops in pure desert sand. I don't have to ask why this technology isn't being employed, because I already know the answer. It costs 27% more to grow corn or soybeans in hot sand than it does to grow it in soil in a less-hostile climate, thus negating any potential profit (wheat costs 18% more to grow in the desert but, for some reason, sand-grown wheat yields 6% more grain per acre).

  So far, with the lone exception of the very first state to convert to using an RNG (I think it was Connecticut, but I wouldn't swear to it), every other state lottery that has embraced these machines has made the same comment: "Other states are already using this technology, and it's important that we keep up with industry trends."

  I'm waiting for the day when a lottery public relations spokesman says, "Well, other state lottery directors were jumping off bridges, so ..."

Excellent commentary and analogies. I Agree!

What is your conceptual continuity?
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Posted: August 29, 2007, 2:49 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

It doesn't matter to me, i like each one either way...I've said before that it doesn't matter if you are using RNG or Balls machine is how high you set the odds that matter...I wish they put the lottery machines in a squared  or cylindrical candy machine or machine that looks like a blender  (all of them with the same dimensions) and perhaps mix some bigger balls with a lot of smaller balls...I'll be so happy the day they ever do that....If they change to RNG i wouldn't care...The day they make pick3 and give you money for matching 1 or 2 numbers of pick3 and the day they set pick4 just like Massachussetts' Number game  in EVERY STATE then i'll be happy...

 

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Posted: August 29, 2007, 5:58 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

Okay, don't flog me here, but I chose Computerized drawings because that would open up possibilities that maybe it would be possible to create a system that could get hits more often than trying to guess the machine ball outcome.

Seems I've heard that it's pretty tough to actually write a true RNG program and maybe players could spot a rythmn or glitch and take advantage of it.

The outcome of a Mechanical ball machine is pretty tough to unravel in my opinion. Maybe I'd have better luck with RNG's.

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Posted: August 29, 2007, 7:09 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

Okay, don't flog me here, but I chose Computerized drawings because that would open up possibilities that maybe it would be possible to create a system that could get hits more often than trying to guess the machine ball outcome.

Seems I've heard that it's pretty tough to actually write a true RNG program and maybe players could spot a rythmn or glitch and take advantage of it.

The outcome of a Mechanical ball machine is pretty tough to unravel in my opinion. Maybe I'd have better luck with RNG's.

I'm not flogging you Steve, let's take this example. What if, 5 or 10 minutes from draw time. They do a check, find the the number with the least sales, then generate that number with a few lines of code change. Do you think that could happen or how many times has it really happen and the public will never know. When a lottery official starts using the word "integrity", beware.

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Posted: August 29, 2007, 7:49 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

I'm not flogging you Steve, let's take this example. What if, 5 or 10 minutes from draw time. They do a check, find the the number with the least sales, then generate that number with a few lines of code change. Do you think that could happen or how many times has it really happen and the public will never know. When a lottery official starts using the word "integrity", beware.

i think some of these computerized states do this.they check and see the number bet on least and like rebecca paul hargrove said 'maximize profit'.i just realized something thanks to carbob.i should've thought about it sooner.think about it everyone.rebecca hargrove said tennessee was trying to 'maximize profit' which means the winning number every night in tennessee is the one bet on the least and therefore they maximize their profit because they are paying out on the least bet number.hell they aren't even trying to hide it in tennessee they are admiting it.i'm done with tennessee except for powerball for now.

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Posted: August 29, 2007, 7:56 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

I'm not flogging you Steve, let's take this example. What if, 5 or 10 minutes from draw time. They do a check, find the the number with the least sales, then generate that number with a few lines of code change. Do you think that could happen or how many times has it really happen and the public will never know. When a lottery official starts using the word "integrity", beware.

I thought that's how computerised drawings worked lol! It gives lottery companies greater control over the amount winnings they have to (or not) pay out.

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Posted: August 29, 2007, 8:27 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

I thought that's how computerised drawings worked lol! It gives lottery companies greater control over the amount winnings they have to (or not) pay out.

Yes, here in the US some states have computerized KENO games that run every few minutes, they have controlled payouts, dependent on the amount of players and who knows what other factors.

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Posted: August 29, 2007, 10:57 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

Okay, don't flog me here, but I chose Computerized drawings because that would open up possibilities that maybe it would be possible to create a system that could get hits more often than trying to guess the machine ball outcome.

Seems I've heard that it's pretty tough to actually write a true RNG program and maybe players could spot a rythmn or glitch and take advantage of it.

The outcome of a Mechanical ball machine is pretty tough to unravel in my opinion. Maybe I'd have better luck with RNG's.

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Okay, don't flog me here, but I chose Computerized drawings because that would open up possibilities that maybe it would be possible to create a system that could get hits more often than trying to guess the machine ball outcome.


I often thought about this for keno the 3 minute games some states have, if you could record every game say via a camera hookup and some computer software you could figure out how their RNG chip processed the numbers and write a program to make money from it. The problem is getting enough records of draws before they changed the chip. If they change the chip every two or three days then you couldn't get enough info to write a decent program that would work.

So i guess the same would be true for pick 3/4 or 5 computerized drawings. I suppose if they had a stand alone system and didn't change the chip one could get enough records say in about 3/5 years worth of drawings to decipher the code.

Some places use more than one computer for the drawings and or have several RNG chip sets. So some people won't go ape on me i was told this by a person whom use to work for the lottery.

The lottery is aware that people will go to great lengths to try and win the games and by the same respect they will go to great lengths to see to it they we can't crack their ball drawing processes. That goes for ball drawings and computerized drawings.

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Posted: August 29, 2007, 11:08 am - IP Logged Bottom Top

IMHO if a state wants to run a lottery that is fair & random, it should have the balls to do it!

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Posted: August 29, 2007, 3:52 pm - IP Logged Bottom Top

I'm not flogging you Steve, let's take this example. What if, 5 or 10 minutes from draw time. They do a check, find the the number with the least sales, then generate that number with a few lines of code change. Do you think that could happen or how many times has it really happen and the public will never know. When a lottery official starts using the word "integrity", beware.

"What if, 5 or 10 minutes from draw time. They do a check, find the the number with the least sales, then generate that number with a few lines of code change."

Or they could program the computer to automatically scan for the combinations with the most money wagered on them. Football season is about to start so every Monday we'll see the "opening lines" in the sports section. If too much money is bet one way, the bookies add or subtract from the point spread to entice bets on the other way.

If the betting gets too high on one side a bookie can lay off some of the bets to another bookie so a winning outcome for one bookie might be a losing outcome for other bookies. One bookie might consider fixing the outcome of the games to "make a killing" but the bookies on the losing side might send them cement boots; even illegal gambling has checks and balances.

Lotteries don't have worry about other bookies so live mechanical ball drawings is the only way that prevents them from fixing the game and "making a killing" to maximize dollars for education. Ms Hargrove was right about one thing, if somebody wanted to fix the game so they could win, eliminating any chance of a double being drawn would be the wrong way to go.

But what if the draw was fixed to maximize dollars for education?

 
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