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How do I prove my state lottery's CGNs are fixed?
New Member Colorado United States Member #61307 May 2, 2008 3 Posts Offline
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| Posted: May 2, 2008, 2:43 pm - IP Logged |
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I am of the opposite opinion as this poster. I say- Jade- keep on keepin' on! As I said in another post, just because a goal seems tough, doesn't mean it isn't worth pursuing. We all know that lottery and casino officials have the best mathmaticians in the world working for them. IF JADE can prove something to them that they haven't previously thought of, I guarantee they will rethink the process.
Jade- keep dreamin' man and don't listen to what the naysayers on here say. I am sure some, especially the doubter will post a reply to this but there was a time when these same naysayers said the Earth was flat, there was a time when these same naysayers said anyone that believed someone who thought they could fly were nut cases. Einstein's theory of Space\time being the same thing and not Space & Time was met with much ridicule from the scientific community and now is accepted as fact. Not to mention going to the moon was thought to be science fiction up until 1961!
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The Mathematical Alpha Geek Minnesota United States Member #21 December 7, 2001 1659 Posts Offline
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teuffelhund37,
thank you for the input. this is just a small piece of a much larger project i've been working on in my spare time. i'm always thinking about something math, physics or programming related, even if it has nothing to do with the lottery. however, in piecing things together i noticed a lot of similarities in various studies that appeared to fit together. they worked amazingly well in describing other points of view in seemingly unrelated topics.
as i said, this is just a small piece of a much larger project. the best is yet to come. just keep an eye out for it. My Self Picks are optimized to produce
the most number of wins with
the least amount of effort.
Order is a subset of Chaos.
Thank You,
Doug
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The Mathematical Alpha Geek Minnesota United States Member #21 December 7, 2001 1659 Posts Offline
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Update: I'm chugging along here with this Badger 5 data, however, I'm working several other projects at the same time and in the same subject matter. There's a possible topic morph in the works as it relates to this one. My Self Picks are optimized to produce
the most number of wins with
the least amount of effort.
Order is a subset of Chaos.
Thank You,
Doug
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New Member Canton, Ohio United States Member #61830 May 19, 2008 2 Posts Offline
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To be brief:
Jade is right.... it can't be random.
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Pennsylvania United States Member #56485 October 28, 2007 353 Posts Offline
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To be brief:
Jade is right.... it can't be random. OK, lets say he is right and somehow proved that is not random but manipulated....So next what do you do...I see only three options left for a player after these findings:
1) Not play this game anymore
2) Not play all the Wisconsion RNG games anymore
3) Write to lottery or newspapers and tell them to switch to balls (<<< this will in all likeliness be largely ignored as well as your claims that they are manipulating the games)
In my opinion if you have reason to beleive that something is manipulated and the odds of fixing it are not good then you are left with options 1 or 2 and not play lotto anymore...
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The Mathematical Alpha Geek Minnesota United States Member #21 December 7, 2001 1659 Posts Offline
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irmediator and benmas,
thanks for the feedback; i do appreciate your comments. however, i'm working over a surprising discovery right now. just keep a look out for something amazing to come up. My Self Picks are optimized to produce
the most number of wins with
the least amount of effort.
Order is a subset of Chaos.
Thank You,
Doug
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New Member Canton, Ohio United States Member #61830 May 19, 2008 2 Posts Offline
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| Posted: May 20, 2008, 4:22 pm - IP Logged |
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OK, lets say he is right and somehow proved that is not random but manipulated....So next what do you do...I see only three options left for a player after these findings:
1) Not play this game anymore
2) Not play all the Wisconsion RNG games anymore
3) Write to lottery or newspapers and tell them to switch to balls (<<< this will in all likeliness be largely ignored as well as your claims that they are manipulating the games)
In my opinion if you have reason to beleive that something is manipulated and the odds of fixing it are not good then you are left with options 1 or 2 and not play lotto anymore... Dear benmas:
Option 4) play and win! :) The patterns in the numbers repeat themselves too often to be ignored. Tell you what... hand input the results of just one game of your choice from 5 years past into an excel sheet. What you will see are inexplicable patterns in the numbers. Clusters of the same numbers and pairs repeating themselves within short time spans. Even the most casual observer will come to the same conclusion, that statistically this shouldn't be happening. Therefore, observe and figure out the patterns and ones odds will be dramatically improved enough to win the smaller prize amounts more consistently, say prizes from $1.00 to $10,000.00 USD Though this isn't millions, enough of these smaller prizes won will most certainly add up and consequently could generate a decent income. That to me is a more feasible and intelligent strategy, should one choose to play the lottery. And who knows, perhaps just by chance one would beat the odds and win millions. And that is part of the fun of playing the lottery, the expectation of the unknown. In a sense it is a form of entertainment. That to me is partly what we spend our money on... to get our hearts pounding, just before the nightly broadcast. ;)
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New Member Hillsborough United States Member #62060 May 28, 2008 1 Posts Offline
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| Posted: May 28, 2008, 12:58 pm - IP Logged |
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Hello, I'm new here but this grabbed my attention, I would like to add more Data here...no I would like More data.
While you are clearly on a mathematical track to a target using the probability system with what would happen IF. If you are trying to say A lotto is rigged you would be in fact saying some one rigged it, without all the data I would hope that a few things would be considered:
Ball weight: ball 1 can not weigh the same as ball 50, ink over area proves that.
Base Ball weight: each ball is formed from 2 half's and sanded down and glazed. adding or reducing the weight of the ball.
Balls life: (guessing here) 50+ balls banging in to each other over a period of time makes dents marks scratches,
Balls roundness: (nothing here but conjecture) I play paintball and have done a fair amount of research in ball size and found that most balls of any sport is never the same size.
Touching the balls: any one knows if you touch anything you add a film of oil on to said object, now did said person wash hands? or use lotion?
Temperature or humidity: cold heavy - hot light. What is the temp of the room? Is it consistent?
Having said all that-or asked.
We are trying to say that the game is fixed. meaning we are saying that some one is (fixing) it.
If so then one would ask to what means,
Plot?
Has any one ever tried to plot a winners map (peg board)
While we are trying to use math here I would also add there are factors that need to be explored as well, Force of air on any ball should be the same result As 50/50 if this is to be, then over a period of time all balls would have the same count of hits give or take the fraction of 50/50 divided by the number of balls.
And here we need to define what would be a reasonable time frame for 50/50? Conjecture would be the 146,107,926 (Or odds of winning) Power Ball
Not sure if any one COULD get that data but if you are REALLY trying to investigate such a claim of fraud on lotto then these questions might help.
And to test this:
Get all lotto game stats (games with Balls over 50 played) and show them side by side to see if the random and 50/50 is working or is there a odd game out there that is producing a unique set of numbers and patterns.
Now keep the flaming down to a mild roar.
Just thinking out loud
Keb
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Atwater, Ohio United States Member #33045 February 14, 2006 1235 Posts Offline
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| Posted: May 28, 2008, 5:36 pm - IP Logged |
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OK, lets say he is right and somehow proved that is not random but manipulated....So next what do you do...I see only three options left for a player after these findings:
1) Not play this game anymore
2) Not play all the Wisconsion RNG games anymore
3) Write to lottery or newspapers and tell them to switch to balls (<<< this will in all likeliness be largely ignored as well as your claims that they are manipulating the games)
In my opinion if you have reason to beleive that something is manipulated and the odds of fixing it are not good then you are left with options 1 or 2 and not play lotto anymore... I've followed this discussing since it began back in December and never though the object was to prove the Wisconsin lottery is cheating. That would be more like knowing which batch of scratch-off tickets had the jackpot winner, placing those tickets in an area or in a specific store, or not offering them for sale until they made their expected profit. It's possible they could scan the played combinations in pick-5 or lotto games and program the RNG to exclude them or only include the combinations bought in an area. But proof would involve bugging the lottery office and taping conversations.
Actual proof the Badger 5 RNG is fixed would require duplicating the RNG 5 number drawing everyday but I don't think the objective is to blow the whistle on the state lottery and I can't think of one logical reason why I would quit playing a game where I could win at least $10,000 every time I played.
Jade's method is to find 12 numbers that include the 5 numbers drawn. If he is successful once a week, it won't matter if he failed to prove it's fixed.
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Atwater, Ohio United States Member #33045 February 14, 2006 1235 Posts Offline
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| Posted: May 28, 2008, 8:54 pm - IP Logged |
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Hello, I'm new here but this grabbed my attention, I would like to add more Data here...no I would like More data.
While you are clearly on a mathematical track to a target using the probability system with what would happen IF. If you are trying to say A lotto is rigged you would be in fact saying some one rigged it, without all the data I would hope that a few things would be considered:
Ball weight: ball 1 can not weigh the same as ball 50, ink over area proves that.
Base Ball weight: each ball is formed from 2 half's and sanded down and glazed. adding or reducing the weight of the ball.
Balls life: (guessing here) 50+ balls banging in to each other over a period of time makes dents marks scratches,
Balls roundness: (nothing here but conjecture) I play paintball and have done a fair amount of research in ball size and found that most balls of any sport is never the same size.
Touching the balls: any one knows if you touch anything you add a film of oil on to said object, now did said person wash hands? or use lotion?
Temperature or humidity: cold heavy - hot light. What is the temp of the room? Is it consistent?
Having said all that-or asked.
We are trying to say that the game is fixed. meaning we are saying that some one is (fixing) it.
If so then one would ask to what means,
Plot?
Has any one ever tried to plot a winners map (peg board)
While we are trying to use math here I would also add there are factors that need to be explored as well, Force of air on any ball should be the same result As 50/50 if this is to be, then over a period of time all balls would have the same count of hits give or take the fraction of 50/50 divided by the number of balls.
And here we need to define what would be a reasonable time frame for 50/50? Conjecture would be the 146,107,926 (Or odds of winning) Power Ball
Not sure if any one COULD get that data but if you are REALLY trying to investigate such a claim of fraud on lotto then these questions might help.
And to test this:
Get all lotto game stats (games with Balls over 50 played) and show them side by side to see if the random and 50/50 is working or is there a odd game out there that is producing a unique set of numbers and patterns.
Now keep the flaming down to a mild roar.
Just thinking out loud
Keb Badger 5 is a 5/31 game that uses a RNG and I believe the affects of trying to prove the game is fixed is to find a group of 12 numbers that consistently has 4 or 5 of the drawn numbers. Finding a flaw in a RNG could benefit players.
"Get all lotto game stats (games with Balls over 50 played) and show them side by side to see if the random and 50/50 is working or is there a odd game out there that is producing a unique set of numbers and patterns."
The Tennessee Lottery had some unique patterns in their pick-3 and pick-4 games last summer when they switched from live ball drawings to RNG; especially when players noticed there were no doubles drawn for over a week. It's possible there are other examples of that happening in twice a day drawings in ball drawn lotteries but not for two straight weeks. Ball drawings use 3 or 4 sets in 3 or 4 different containers but there is no balls or containers to see in a RNG so nobody saw that the 3 digits were being drawn from 1 set of 10 digits.
The numbers drawn were random but that doesn't mean much to the players that tore up their losing doubles, triples, and quad tickets.
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