irmediator, KebRyo and Stack47,

I'll get back to ya's later. I've got a lot going on now: son's recent graduation, an up and coming career advancement with my current employer, prepping my home for a possible sale and additional programming issues as it relates to this topic, other topics and JADE LSG 2.0.

I don't think the Wisconson Badger game is rigged, I just think there's a lot of repeating patterns. Besides who benefits from the rigging? Lotteries don't have to rig thier games since they clearly have the advantage. Also one can use the repeating patterns to ones advantage no?

What are these repeating patterns that you have identified and how did you find them?  I've been trying to come with a way to identify patterns and classify them so I might use them to pick combinations for future games.  Winning combinations in most games have numbers that have hit in the previous 20 drawings or less.  If they are more likely to also have a pattern, it's possible that they may be covered with less than 50% of the number pool which would give a huge advantage to any players with that information.

The information that system players have been seeking to give themselves an advantage may be right in face every time they look at a list of past winners but they can't see it.

RJOH - In a past post......I think it was in a discussion about position play....I mentioned that 4 of the winning Powerball numbers would come out of the first position or first column perhaps every 5 to 8 draws.  Once all 5 came out of the first position in just the last 12 draws.  You are right about the last 20 draws having 4 or 5 of the winning numbers much of the time, at least in Powerball.  I use Gail Howard's software to print out chart B, a chart that prints out 40 or 50 of the last draws with all of the numbers for each draw.  Beside these is another chart that shows the past draw position that each number that hit came from and beside that is a column that shows how many of the winning numbers came from the last 20 draws.  Within this section of the program, one can also print out the chart that shows the last time that each number hit and its position by draws back. This is the chart I use to select numbers from. After each draw, I circle the winning numbers on this chart.  I can then easily see how many numbers hit in the first position, 2nd position, 3rd position, 4th position, and 5th position.  Of course there will be less and less numbers in each of these positions as they move across the page as each number only shows one time...the last time it hit. So much of the time there will be maybe 3 hits coming from the first position numbers, then the rest will usually come from position 2 or 3. The first position will have the most numbers in the game, perhaps about half or 25 in Powerball.  I keep a chart showing the column position that each number hit from each time also.  I use this info to try to cut down on the numbers I select.  When I think it is about time for 4 or 5 numbers to come out of the first position, I concentrate on picking most numbers from this position with a few from either position 2, 3, 4 or 5, whichever of these I think is most likely to bring a hit.  One can also hone in on a certain hit sometimes when it appears that is is time for a number to come from position (or column) 5.  I am presently using a "pair" system where I put my numbers together in pairs that I think will hit and I use one key number. I then play every pair with every other pair which gives me a combo of 4 numbers plus the key number. This is a "Jackpot" guarantee system if any 2 of the pairs plus the key number are selected. The "jackpot" being getting 5 numbers with powerplay and hoping it is "5" so that I win $1,000,000. One can adjust this system to ones budget by adding or taking away pairs. I usually use 5 pairs (10 numbers) with the key number.  This results in 10 combinations. I also play the Powerplay option, so the cost is $20.  For the powerball, I usually play 2 numbers that I think are due and alternate them among the plays. I have gone as high as 8 pairs (16 numbers) with 1 key number which results in 28 combinations. That cost $56 with the powerplay. The pair system results in more numbers covered for a jackpot system for much less cost that regular wheeling .  For example a straight full combination system for just 7 numbers results in 21 combinations.  So the tradeoff is less "ifs" with the 7 number system, but about the same cost as the "more ifs" pair system that covers more numbers.

Lottobrain, I've read post about the charts in GH software by members who used her stuff but non so far have said they actually used them to pick a winners.

I use lottery software to print out basic charts to aid me in making my own "paper and pencil" charts that I use to see various trends in the number patterns.  I am usually looking for patterns in the way the numbers come so that I can try to pick my numbers to play along these patterns.  I also made up a chart to track Powerball with the "AAABC", etc. type of pattern that you had discussed in another post.  I break this pattern up based on the last 20 draws in powerball.  Any numbers that hit in the last 5 draws are my "A" numbers, any numbers that hit in draws 6-10 are my "B" numbers, any numbers that hit in draws 11-15 are my "C" numbers, any numbers that hit in 16-20 draws back are my "D" numbers. After 20 draws back any number that hits is an "E".  This chart shows me over time which of these groups might be most due for a hit or multiple hits just as I use the 1st thru 5th columns for possible position hits based on "due columns" and "draws back" due positions.  I find that trying to track too many variables though just leads to trouble in number selection.  I also made a chart that tracks the end digits that hit each draw so that I can have a visual of this over time to guess the end digit pattern that I may think will hit and select numbers from the last 20 draws to stay within a reasonable approach to my selection based on the other chart patterns.  These are just some of my paper and pencil charting ideas I use that might give others some ideas.

I tried tracking games with better odds than PowerBall using that "AABBCC" system and while the odds were improved 200% the payouts amounts eliminated any advantage gained. 

For example I played the Ohio Classic Lotto which has overall odds of 1:54 of winning a prize (the smallest and most likely being $2).  The odds of matching 3 for $2 is 1:57 and I've regularly matched three 1-2 times with 20 lines which wins $2-$4.  To make any money or break even I would need to match 4 for $70 more often and the odds of doing that are 1:1032 which means I would have to improve my odds of winning a prize by 1,500%-2,000% instead of the 200% that I've managed so far.

Right now my only defense against going broke playing the lotteries is to only spend what I can afford to lose and expect to lose it.  Getting lucky is still the only way I could ever come out ahead and I can't plan that.

How you prove is rigged? whenever you see in Powerball combinations that have four 6's, or four 3's, or four 2's or four 8's , etc, etc twice in less than 1 month...What do I mean? if you see the combination 6, 16, 26, 36 42 (with four 6's on it) and if you see such a combination play twice in 1 month or 2 months or 3 months, then your game is rigged....

If you also see four 5's and multiples of it and by that i mean if you see 5, 15, 20, 30, and then a number, and if you see this appear 2 times in less than 3 months, then your game is rigged..

I've looked at Powerball drawings for 2007, and i found some where stuff that shouldn't happen and the odd of it happening are so small yet i don't know what to say...For example i seen i think it was three 6's then three 4's and then three 8's ONE AFTER THE OTHER, which shouldn't happened, yet i've seen them in Powerball in 2007...And i am thinking the odds of that happening are like winning Powerball 3 times in a row with 1 ticket, yet they happened....

And you know what has me more worry, is knowing that each drawing is the 5th pre-test drawing or whatever number...Such scenarios should NEVER occur...yet they happen...is weird...If Powerball was RNG it will had been even worse...

Is the odds/chances, the odds/chances of such scenarios happening is...it shouldn't happen...

"If you also see four 5's and multiples of it and by that i mean if you see 5, 15, 20, 30, and then a number, and if you see this appear 2 times in less than 3 months, then your game is rigged.."

Excluding the power ball, there are 14,520 combinations with 4 numbers with multiples of 5 and you could expect to see it happen once out of every 250 drawings. I did a quick look back to January 2006 and couldn't find where that happened once so maybe it's due. And since it should average two hits in 500 draws and it's been at least 250 drawings since the last time, it could happen twice in the next 250 drawings. If that happens within 3 month period, it might be worth a "how about that", but it certainly wouldn't prove the game was rigged.

Assuming you're including the powerball numbers where 19% are multiples of 5 and matching one of them with one of the 156,090 combinations to reach your conclusion the drawings are rigged, you should have done the math first. And since there are 1,248,720 combinations like that, it doesn't even deserve a "how about that" if it hits twice in 3 months.

"For example i seen i think it was three 6's then three 4's and then three 8's ONE AFTER THE OTHER, which shouldn't happened, yet i've seen them in Powerball in 2007..."

Powerball is not a raffle where after a combination of numbers are drawn, they are eliminated from future play. 55 numbered balls are placed in a container, mixed in a way that each number has an equal chance of being one of 5 numbers drawn. In the next draw 55 numbered balls will again be put into a container and the process is repeated. While it seems unlikely that 2 number would repeat from the previous drawing, there are 195,999 other combinations with two of those numbers.

Why is it more unlikely to for you to see three numbers ending in 6 being followed by three 4s and three 8s than seeing 18-21-49 being followed by 9-11-50 and 12-39-52?

"Is the odds/chances, the odds/chances of such scenarios happening is...it shouldn't happen..."

In the early 1960s, Dr. Edward Thorpe used a super computer to simulate thousands of Black Jack hands and determined the player had an advantage when the ratio of tens and face cards to the other cards reached a certain level in the remaining cards in the deck. In actual play even though the odds favored him, it was still possible he could be dealt more of the remaining low cards than the dealer and lose. In overall play or 100s of times of raising his bet to the table limit when the deck reached his ratio it did show a big profit. 

There are over 146 million possible Powerball combination; how many drawings would you have to simulate before you even start to determine what should or should not happen?

you can't use a supercomputer for blackjack or casino games or horse betting...YOu can only use a supercomputer for the lottery and the stock market...

they watch too much star trek and tv...

and the supercomputers they got know are nothing compare to what they had in 1985, 1975, 1965 or 1955...even though a supercomputer of 1985 could be helpful...

i said this several times before...