There's nothing intrinsically wrong with racial, ethnic, religious, or patriotic cleansing. Slaughtering, enslaving, and taking the property of people who believe differently from you, who have a different skin color, who speak a different language, so long as they have something you want.

The Jews have done it from their earliest history.

The Moslems have done it since the beginning.

The Christians have done it throughout their own history.

The US could never have become great without a willingness to follow lockstep in that tradition, taking whatever it wanted from anyone who had it, Indians, French, Spaniards, Mexicans, Mormans, and slaughtering them out of pleasure or necessity occasionally.

Nothing intrinsically wrong with that, if you're a good Jew, Moslem, Christian, good American.

What's wrong is the hypocracy. The lies.

Have the decency to be honest about your beliefs, your actions, your bloody history and the bloody future you aspire to.

You said, "What's wrong is the hypocrisy. The lies."

Trouble is, most people do not know they are hypocrites and /or telling lies.

Most people think what they are doing and saying are the RIGHT things to do. It is the other person who is wrong , they believe. It's a matter of what lens you are looking from. We all look at things through lenses, some tinted darkly than others. If all lenses were the same, than we aren't in this world.

csfb: Frankly, I don't believe you are correct in that assertion. I believe there was never any doubt in the minds of the Brits and Americans about who owned Palestine prior to 1947. Of course they knew.

But they felt guilty. They had an agenda. And they had a population of displaced Jews throughout Europe who would never again trust Europeans not to do what they've done throughout European history. They made a value judgement.

Nobody really ever doubted what happened at Shatilla. But it was okay because it was on the agenda, Palestinians needed a solution, and the Zionists and Christians provided a piece of that solution. A piece of that final solution.

Of course they thought it was RIGHT, that slaughter, those Zionists, those Christians doing the slaughtering.

"We all look at things through lenses, some tinted darkly than others. If all lenses were the same, than we aren't in this world," is merely a blas'e means, other words to say, "The lies and hypocracy are okay because we THINK it's okay to live as we do."

About all I can think of in reply is this:

Human beings, Christians, Moslems, Jews, good Americans, for the good of your souls stop the damned lying. God, Jesus, Mohammad, and George Washington all hate lies.

No, I don't believe for a moment those Christians. . . those CHRISTIANS at Shatilla slaughtering women, children, thought it was RIGHT. They thought it was convenient, thought it was 'all-right' because it was what they wanted to do, but they didn't think it was right.

And the failure of Israel, of the US, of Europe to be properly aghast by it is something I call indirect terrorism, I call it lies, I call it hyprocracy. I call it selective abhorrance of terrorism.

Frankly, I don't give a damn what anyone else calls it.

If such events can't teach the fanatics, the political and religious zealots a measure of self-doubt, it's because they're hypocrites, liars, and they are no different than their ancesters in spirit, except their ancestors, as least, were honest. They at least had the courage of honesty.

Jack

Actually, csfb, on second thought maybe I'm wrong about that.

I used to work with a nurse named Inga. German/American immigrant from the post-WWII years, but was a Hitler Youth during the 3rd Reich. Managed to marry a GI and come to the US after the war.

Inga believed, or claimed to believe, that Hitler only did what was necessary where Jews were concerned. She asserted the Jews had a strangle-hold on the German economy. Claimed to believe the Jews were destroying Germany before Hitler came along to save Der Vaderland.

Inga. Unapologetic for any of her past beliefs, even savoring them 35 years later, still believing it was okay in 1975. Good Christian lady. Went to church every Sunday. Lutheran Christian lady who thought, I almost have to admit, she was right and had always been right, along with her political mentor, her fallen hero.

About all Inga and I ever agreed about was Israel, and with her it was a mixed bag. She didn't like Arabs, either. She'd have agreed with Todd and Konane that we ought to exterminate all of them, the Arabs. But they'd have parted company over what to do next. What to do with the Jews.

J

HOW DARE YOU put words in my mouth that I advocate "exterminating Arabs". There could not be anything further from the truth, and your comment is DESPICABLE.

I used to enjoy reading whatever you wrote, but that was before you apparently lost your mind. You have become something that I do not wish to discuss, and I will not be participating in any more discussion with such a person.

You will not put words in my mouth either, nor will you or anyone project onto me an attitude, mindset or intent that does not exist.

I've carefully qualified my personal blog comments to make them relevant to the subject of the entry, very clear and easily understood by anyone capable of reading.

The rest of my blog contains good articles which I feel offers new information and a different perspective than the one that's been spoon fed daily for mass consumption. Period.

Jack, some of your statements are ludricrous. For ex: "They didn't give up their homes and their land easily enough to suit us when we created the Zionist state of Israel."

The Palestinians left their homes willingly and were even told to do so by the Arab nations who planned on destroying Israel. I'm not a Zionist. In fact I hate the oppression of any people, but get your facts right. One statement in your comment below is:

"The Jews Have Done It" when referring to genocide and ethnic cleansing. When was that?

Jews only began to raise arms against their enemies as a last resort for self-preservation. Going back to Biblical times (if you believe the Old Testament) Jews were enslaved and, only when they were trying to escape, did God take vengeance upon their captors (ex: Moses & the Red Sea)

Jews have been expelled from over 80 countries. Anti-semitism isn't anything new, so to skip a few thousand years of persecution, this small group of peaceful people whose teachings are never to wage war, were butchered in Russia and exterminated in Germany, leaving less than one half of 1% of the entire world populated with any trace of the Jewish people. In fact, out of 6.6 billion people there are less than 13 million Jews on this Earth. Approx 1/2 live in the United States, about 2% of the U.S. Population, yet every day I hear someone, even my neighbors, blame this tiny group for all the world's woes including the economy and world peace.

I agree that the occupation of Palestine is very sad. I abhor the oppression of any people. But please read your history books. Every historical fact indicates that from the beginning of time the Jews welcomed every Arab nation to live in peace. But nations like Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, Yemen, Libya, Egypt, Iraq and Jordan have publicly said the Jews have no right to even exist.

In Oct 1947, The Assembly of Palestine Jewry issued this appeal: "We will do everything in our power to maintain peace, and establish a cooperation gainful to both Jews and Arabs.. It is here and now, from Jerusalem itself, that a call must go out to the Arab nations to join forces with Jewry and the destined Jewish State and work shoulder to shoulder for our common good, for the peace and progress of sovereign equals."
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In 1948 the Arab nations encouraged the Palestinians to leave even after the Jews told them to remain in their homes and become equal citizens in the new state. The Arab nations told them to leave because they planned on killing every Jew that breathed. In May of that year Israel's Proclamation of Independence stated: "In the midst of wanton aggression, we yet call upon the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve the ways of peace and play their part in the development of the State, on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its bodies and institutions. We extend our hand in peace and neighborliness to all the neighboring states and their peoples, and invite them to cooperate with the independent Jewish nation for the common good of all."

The Arab governments and the refugees themselves have always been unwilling to accept any plan that could be interpreted as fostering resettlement and alleviating the Palestinian problem if it means living with Jews as neighbors.

The Arab states do not wantto solve the refugee problem. They never did and never will. They have always used the Palestinians as pawns and don't care if they live or die. It is an excuse to wage war on Israel and to get sympathy from nations around the world. In fact, most Arab governments will not offer jobs to Palestinians or allow them housing or land. Back in the 1980s when there was a labor shortage, they recruited thousands of workers from other countries to fill the jobs and would not hire unemployed Palestinians. Saudi Arabia is one of those nations and openly refused to allow any Palestinian refugee shelter or work.

Do you know that a consistent effort has been made by Israel to get all Palestinian refugees into permanent housing? The refugees would not accept this, because of the terrorist groups who are bitter and hateful and will not agree to any peaceful resolution.

So when you say "minor inaccuracies" I guess they're a little more than misspellings.

Todd, Konane and justxploring:

Thanks for the comments.

Jack

Doyce doy....doy......doy.....Doyce!!!!!!! What a god aweful Name. What kind of sick person names their kid Doyce. I think If I had that name I would probably become some kind of pathological liar too. Just like good old Doyce Purcell

Thanks for the comment Dano 44.

Jack