Vick is scum and should he himself be handed over to a pack of attack dogs.

People trying to make it a racial issue and coming to his defense calling it a black culture thing are just a bunch of imbeciles.

Looking back, all John Rocker did was say some things and his career was toast.

If Vick comes back to football I hope his offensive line doesn;t guard the QB too well and he gets creamed in a pile on.

Thanks for commenting, Coin Toss. I'm not so sure he should be banned from football. I think his career is finished, but if he serves his time, like an ex-con, he should be able to work in his field (no pun intended) I read a few comments that he might not be welcome because of the controversy. As I said before, I really don't know much about professional football. Regarding discrimination, Pete Rose didn't torture or drown anything, and AFAIK he still hasn't been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame because a sportsman is supposed to represent "integrity & honesty."

Typo - I meant "If he serves his time like ANY ex-con" I left than Y out of any.

some people can say what they want and get away with it if you get my drift.

I do want to add something in case I wasn't clear. Everyone is talking about the animal abuse. I think it's shocking. But this isn't about killing dogs at all.   This is about illegal gambling. Pete Rose occasionally bet on some games. There wasn't even solid evidence against him. I love dogs, but putting the animal cruelty aside, Michael Vick was running a gambling operation. The media is playing on the emotions of the public and animal cruelty is a very important problem we need to address. However, I do not believe that is why he was indicted. Transporting dogs over state lines for the purpose of fighting them is a Federal Crime. I hate what he did to those poor dogs, but even if I hated animals, I'd still agree he broke the Law.   I think he's getting off easy.

"The media is playing on the emotions of the public and animal cruelty"

Good point! I heard something about the other 50 dogs on the property were going to be euthanized. Vic has enough money and should be made to pay for the care of those dogs for the rest of their lives and make it a good life. And anyone saying "but those dogs are killers", so are lions and tigers and bears on my! But we keep them in zoos, sanctuary's etc... So it does appear to be more about the "MONEY" then the animals.

With his career and coming back to football, he wasn't that great of a Pro Quarterback anyway. Infact, i'd bet Atlanta is considering all this a godsend. Now they can get out of the large contract they so ignorantly gave him.

i agree coin toss,hell john rocker was blasted but whoopi can make her comments?

Seems like there is a hot seat on "the view" and no matter who sits in it, ignorant things come out of their pie holes !

I didn't watch the View so I didn't hear Whoopi's comment. I knew it was going to be some sh*t though because Whoopi keeps it real. But if this quote is what makes people think she is a racist, they need some serious diversity training and learn the definition of the word "culture" I betcha none of you know "what black people hate to hear white people say, that they think it's OK to say" and it ain't the "N" word either.

"I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate"

All Whoopi was saying in this statement was that Vick was so dumb, ignorant, so thinking he was above the law, on top of stupid that it took the entire country to get in his grill before he even realized he was wrong and had broken the law. She can say that because she is black (or is she Jewish), Vick is black and it's about the black community and she is speaking the truth. Not in ignorant bigotry, not malice or hatred.

Unbelievable isn't it? But he is that stupid.

Bill Cosby did what you guys think Whoopi did. He said something to the tune that black people were nothing but a bunch of bums, in anger and disgust. He wasn't speaking the truth. And the black community got in his grill.

But I will say this about Whoopi, she should stay clear from comments that can be misconstrued and speak to all audiences. The Sistas knew exactly what she was talking about though. You ain't seen nothing like it.

The View might be worth watching after all.

Coin toss - what you said about what they should do to Vick is scary.
(I copied this from askmen.com) John Rocker said he didn't want to ride a train next to some queer with AIDS. Rocker also bashed immigrants saying I'm not a very big fan of foreigners. How the hell did they get in this country?. While driving in Atlanta during the interview, Rocker spit on a toll machine and mocked Asian women.

Forgot to say, what Mike Vick did was horrible, and cruel and he should go to prison and should not be allowed to play profession ball anymore.

Tenaj, that was my point. I called Whoopi a "Racist" in a tongue-in-cheek manner meaning if Barbara Walters said it that's exactly what she's be called.   How can we have a free society where everyone gets along if we can't even have equal dialog? You just said it - I can't possibly open my mouth and know what is okay to say or not to say any more. So basically a Black person who grew up in NYC can say something about another Black person she doesn't even know simply because she is Black, right? To me, that's the epitome of stereotyping and prejudice in reverse. You don't know me, but if you go back and read my blog, you can see I spent a lot of time in my younger days fighting for Civil Rights. I also admire people of any Race who have achieved greatness and was a Junior member of the NAACP. All I can say is boy have I've changed.   Why? Because of remarks like Whoopi Goldberg's. I mean, let's say she's right - he was just that stupid because of his upbringing. So if a little White boy grew up in a small town where there were KKK rallies, would it be alright for Joy Behar to say "Oh, when he put that rope around his classmate's neck, he only did it because he grew up in a culture that taught him to hate?" Many pedophiles were also abused as children, but they still know it's wrong to rape children. Maybe he is "that stupid" as you wrote. So this isn't a Race issue but a Stupid issue. BTW, how can someone "stupid" run an interstate gambling operation? If he didn't know it was illegal, why didn't he advertise it in the newspaper or on ESPN or in sports magazines? He knew he was committing a CRIME. I'll also bet that while these poor animals were screaming in agony, he had a pretty good idea he knew right from wrong. He just didn't care. If I'm not mistaken, Tiger Woods is Black. Serena Williams is Black. Which one of them represents this so-called "Black Culture?" Occsionally I go to a church (yes, I'm Jewish, but I still like church) with a lot of Blacks. It didn't take being charged with a serious Federal offense for them to "find Jesus" in their hearts. That is another thing that drives me crazy. Every criminal always seems to find God when they're standing in front of the camera.


A Black friend of mine once said that rappers have disgraced Black people. She shakes her head when she hears them exploiting a culture that has fought hard to raise its image and build pride in its young people. When did dogfighting become part of the Black culture or even a regional "sport?" Anyway, Vick is a very wealthy athlete. He knew better.

Sorry if I offended you, Tenaj. I should stay off of issues like this. I also rambled a bit too much and meant to delete that last paragraph. I also need to work and I'm getting "addicted" to the internet. This isn't my only message board. Wish using a computer wasn't part of my job. It's like giving an alcoholic a job as a bartender.

No excuse for Vick. No excuse for Whoppe.   Both know better.

You didn't offend me Justx. I understand where your questions come from. It's all good. It's good you brought up those points.

At this point in the game, color does not matter. After reading all of the comments, Whoopi is not the only racist, there are plently on this board. You all need to pray. Believe me, I know M. Vick was wrong, and I think he should pay for his misjudgement, but l hold no hard feeling about the man one way or the other. God will take care of it all. So what if the man what to call on his Lord, he has that right. You all need to pray. Man might not forgive him, but I know Our Lord will, because he is a forgiven God.

Are you calling me a racist chowchow? That's totally amazing. I abhor racism. I don't see anything racist in the comments below. If I said I disagreed with something Israel did, would that make me anti-semitic? If I didn't agree with President Bush or believe we should be in Iraq, does that make me anti-American? I just don't understand why, when someone breaks the law, it has to become a race issue.

I do agree about praying for everyone. I also know that you can't fool God if you have a cold heart and say the words people want to hear. Paris Hilton said she began to read the Bible and she found God too. Maybe they were both saved. I am not one to judge. Finding religion is glorious and wonderful.   But when you "call on the Lord" for convenience it's hypocrisy. I am not judging him. I am the last one to criticize anyone for finding peace with God and I hope he truly turns his life around. I just wish all the people in prison would find God before they kill people, rape children or torture animals. God loves dogs too, by the way.

I also wonder why did so many people made fun of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears when they found God? So rich White brats can't find Jesus too?