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Similar Goals vs Common Causes

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Last Edited: April 15, 2005, 9:28 am

 

During my last entry I was ruminating over the fact that my personal offerings on this DB hasn't resulted in much discussion with other DB users, why this might be so, and some thoughts and observations about sharing of innormation. 

Four4me posted a comment that gave me better insight into what the reasons might be.  I'm paraphrasing his words, but you can read the entirety by scrolling down and clicking on the `Comments' tag.  I'll try to distill the essence of his thoughts.

"Rip that's real interesting what you said in this blog and many other posts. But really do you think that we have a symbiotic relationship with numbers, Or could it be possible that while you are just a new to the forum here.(some editing out here by me..jp) . . . .  Many of us have been sharing ideas for years and some of us have even made friends who communicate with each other on different pathways. Some people on lottery post have even visited other people in different states. Even more have PM-ed each other and have made joint efforts to try and out think some inert lottery balls.

Although the post required some study to comprehend, I gather from that reference to whether I believe we have a `symbiotic relationship with numbers', that Four4me is saying that while we have similar goals, we don't have a common cause.. No mutual effort going toward a common goal, but instead, individual and small group efforts to achieve a similar goal, more in a devil-take the hindmost scramble  (my words, not his).  Something roughly similar to treasure hunters, as I alluded in my blog entry, all searching for the same treasure, gleaning innormation from anyone dumb enough to share, but giving out as little as possible in return (except among the in-crowd). 

Four4me expands the allusion a bit further in his post, first by pointing out that I'm new here, which is true, and that there are `old-timers' who communicate by other routes and do share innormation (but mainly with one another ---by implication, not with newcomers. I read this, sharing with the clique members who have paid their dues:  "Don't share what you know with strangers," my old friend, Mel, would have put it, more succinctly.  But in this case, the word `stranger' is defined by how long a person has posted to the forums, instead of how many nights spent together listening to the night sky over the crackle of a campfire).

Four4me goes on to declare he's had some wins, which I don't doubt is true.

I don't have a problem with what he says.  As I explained in earlier blog entries, I've encountered the phenomenon before.  While I don't admire it and don't hold the people who subscribe to it in high regard, I understand it.

One of the least appealing facets of every DB I've ever visited was the tendency of cliques of users to lord their having been visiting there longer over the more recent arrivals, as though some virtue accrued with the duration of having visited there, and were sacred.  That attitude is easy enough to see here, as well.  Old-timers can behave in ways that would immediately label them trolls, were they recent arrivals, but they do so as members of an `in-crowd', and can actually solicit support from their friends in this behavior (and receive it). 

Of course, that's only a piece of what Four4me is referring to.  The underlying reference to the hoarding of `secret' knowledge, so frequently repeated in human behavior as to be expected, is also there.  It echoes the spinoff drumbeat posturing of many here over how adept they are at predicting numbers, how inept others are, what amazing fellows these posturers are, in general. 

If someone who's ever won a jackpot still hangs out here I tip my hat to him in horror, awe, and wonderment.  But a person who hasn't won, but who prances about proclaiming his ability to predict the numbers is only worthy of a shrug.

As I've said, I have no problem with this.  We humans tend to find ways to rhyme with ourselves in our inadequacies, and in this we've discovered yet another means of doing so.  The comparison between treasure hunters and lottery number aficionados appears to be a valid one, which is evidently what Four4me intended to communicate.  He succeeded, perhaps better than he intended.

I'll finish this with the observation that, if Four4me and his friends had discovered what they were looking for they wouldn't still be coming here.  When I do, I won't.  I'm not here to search for any new best friends with attitude.

Four4me, I appreciate the post.  If I've misread you here, I apologize.  Feel free to correct anything you believe doesn't do justice to your words.

Sooooo.  I'm posting these numbers here just to keep myself honest and to remind myself, should I be wrong, there's no disgrace in being wrong in public.  The disgrace would be in being fearful of doing so.  Of caring whether one might appear less in the eyes of men such as these:

I believe six of the following numbers will probably be on the MM draw Friday night. 

 

MM Friday

1

5

8

13

17

18

19

21

22

26

27

28

32

33

36

38

40

44

45

46

48

49

50

51

Distilled, they'd look this way:

5

13

17

18

22

26

27

28

32

38

44

45

46

48

49

50

51

Jack

Entry #17

Comments

1.
ToddComment by Todd - April 15, 2005, 10:03 am
IMHO, I think you have misread Four4me, who is one of the nicest and sharing people here.

Wariness of "newcomers" here is a result of being burned by spammers and scam artists in the past, and is nothing personal. People who come here and join in the discussions without an overt agenda or sales pitch are always welcomed with open arms, and quickly become one of the "regulars". On the contrary, people who come here and start off picking fights or knocking other members are not given a friendly treatment in return, because that is just bad etiquette, and is not the way to start things off. After the membership gets to know someone better, they understand the feelings behind the words, and know not to take everything quite so literally. (Sometimes it's hard to write that same way that you would speak or think.)

You are very welcome here, and I believe you bring a fresh, unique perspective that I enjoy to read. We may not agree on everything, but it would be a very boring place if everyone agreed on everything.

If you feel someone has posted something nasty or out-of-bounds directed at you, just send me a note and let me know where to look for it.

Aside from that, I mainly wanted to chime in about Four4me, who I respect greatly, and that you may want to reconsider your opinion.

Cheers.

-Todd
2.
ToddComment by Todd - April 15, 2005, 10:04 am
BTW, on your comments about sharing info, you'll find many people wary of sharing jackpot-game info, just because of the nature of the top prize. On the contrary, with a game that is relatively uneffected by multiple winners like Pick 3, you'll find limitless sharing of info.

-Todd
3.
Comment by Rip Snorter - April 15, 2005, 11:26 am
Thanks for the comments, Todd. And thanks for the website. It's a good one.

I'll give some thought to what you've said.

Gracias,
Jack
4.
four4meComment by four4me - April 15, 2005, 2:59 pm
rip i don't do cliques. Haven't visited any posters yet but might in the future. Don't know about any secret information. I do wish someone would pm me that. I usually always post my examples of how i get my picks to play. Lottery balls can't and don't speak to me nor i to them. I am old but not really and old timer. People whom i have met on lottery post are mostly military veterans whom by one way or another either made contact with me or i sought out. Many of these veterans i have contact with i respect their courage and determination they have or had for our country and for trying different ways of finding number picking strategies.

many other posters want me to explain my reason or method for picking numbers the way i do because i only post 10 pick 3 numbers and 10 pick 4 numbers and am hitting multiple times every week in many states.

One poster in particular who hasn't posted in a while because of some problem with another poster who disrespected him. I have had numerous phone conversation with because of the difficulty of explaining our methods thru posts. He tried for a long time to teach me how to wheel my own numbers. i tried to explain to him how i pick my pick 4's. Unknowing to me he was also teaching many other poster how to wheel numbers. He didn't want to run up a lot of posts about his method because if lottery directors read it they could easily change there inner workings and spoil the fun.

I think that is a problem many posters have they might have secrets but if they were to tell everybody then it wouldn't be a secret now would it.

One method i use i will tell you about because it is widely known is Powertrails by Bob Perkins a long time lottery poster his method can be found on lottery post thru a search. This method works for pick 3 and 4 games and is the simplest and easiest way to win money. However the hard part is determining the amount of number history to use. Whether one is willing to stick with it until it pays of and not switch or quit using it. On more than one occasion i didn't play the number as i should have and lost lots of money, because of that.

So in retrospect does any of this sound like i am holding back information. No how did i get this information i gladly told you. I used Todds search engine and spent countless sleepless night searching for ideas to win money. Of course this wasn't the only system i found but it was the most useful and successful.   

Oh i wish to thank Todd for putting in a good word for me but you can find out a lot about me by searching some of my posts in different areas. I like pick 4 a lot hence the name four4me
If you want to learn new ideas about picking numbers this is the place. Even if you keep reading post about the same ideas. That doesn't mean the old ideas posted a year or more ago aren't useful.
5.
Comment by Rip Snorter - April 15, 2005, 3:06 pm
I appreciate the response, four4me. I think I understand you better now.
Jack
6.
LOTTOMIKEComment by LOTTOMIKE - April 16, 2005, 12:44 am
one of these nights.....someone will win a jackpot.....one of these crazy little nights

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