Jack,

I'm sure you've heard this at one time or another. "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't (or won't), no proof is possible."

Well, it's a funny thing. I can't recall anyone around here ever clearly demonstrating that the logical, scientific, mathematical methods fare any better than the so-called mystical methods of lottery play and prediction.

Personally, I don't see any need to choose up sides and camp with one side or the other. I use math, astrology, statistics, playing cards, logic, numerology, probability, dreams , and anything else that looks promising at any given time. I've had success with all of them.
Regardless of how smart we might think we are, any good gambler will tell us that we have to know how and when to go with our gut.

I've hopped quite a few fences in my lifetime, too. I've also built some, torn some down, fixed some, and even moved a few. You've just got to do what you've got to do, but whatever you do, you've got to do it your own way.

Good luck,

aye'

Thanks for the comment, aye.
I generally agree with you. I happen to be attempting to use a non-metaphysical method that assumes the number behaviors are a 'metaphysical' phenomenon, but that they're doing their best to simulate randomness and give the appearance of merely following laws so probability.

I've got nothing against any of the methods, be they statistical, metaphysical, whatever. I just tend to get along better with humans who have a modicum of open-mindedness, who are able to believe in something-or-other, and who don't assume their own views on reality are the be-all and end-all here (and feel the need to reinforce their judgements by imposing them on people who believe differently).

The granny-lady mentality of protecting all those misguided people from their own ability to believe slips in and rankles me a bit when I let my guard down.

Gracias amigo
J

the name is visiondude, jack. please feel free to refer directly to me as i am not ashamed of the stances that i take in here.

now, a little more "equitable" history of my presence at LP. by now i am sure the mystical bedfellows have told you about me, and i am sure that you have read threads with my "take" in them.

to some people, i have served a very good purpose in here, including my opposition to some mystical methodologies. you see jack, my "aim" if you will is NOT at people like yourself. my aim (as i have always pointed out) is geared toward people who believe what i believe, and the "fence sitters". not at people like you.

all i do is the same thing that you do. i give my opinion and the other side to the coin so people can make a more informed decision and i "aim" it at specific groups of people.   although my "stance" is firm, i don't recall a time where anyone had black and blue marks around their necks from my comments. they like you are free to believe whatever they choose.

the "lottery post police" is basically a running joke to those who have been in here awhile. although it was born out of a few people who can easily recognize when people visit LP just to scam people. there are a few of us who are willing to speak up when we know that they are. a pretty useful service considering that there are people in here who are gulliable (some jack - not "all"), and who have a little harder time figuring out if these purveyors can deliver the goods.

and jack, you were a little harsh on me. i don't think that everyone at LP is gulliable, just some.   some ARE desperate to win, but not all. and some are very good in thier judgement, though "some" are tainted by the above two.   it is prevalent jack, but not pervasive and that is where my talents lay.

now who says that i am a "non-believer"? i believe all right. it's just that my beliefs are different than yours and you should be good with that, shouldn't you?   we just differ as to the "ORIGIN" of our beliefs.

no i don't pretend to think that you would like much of what i stand for, but at least you know from now on that you are free to refer to me personally.   it's ok jack ......thinks i

Visiondude

visiondude:
Actually, I'm not familiar with your other posts. You might easily fall into the areas of the LP forums I haven't gotten around to reading, or I simply mightn't have registered your label on your words.

As for the remainder of what you've said, I've no doubt it's okay. Mostly everything is. I'll certainly feel free to address you directly, should I feel the urge, or indirectly address whatever concepts and issues you put forward, as I've done here. In this instance I feel the post you made on the forum was a microcosm of a type of social interaction that's a bit pervasive on the forum, that comes and goes in varying degrees of intensity.   You merely defined it along the edges and filled in the vacant dots.

If you go back and re-read the thread in question you'll find it began with a guy talking about an experience he had that might be called 'mystical', involving the lottery. Several posters, including myself, had positive suggestions concerning how he might extend the experience and broaden it. No one attempted to sell him any scam. They just made some suggestions.

Following that, a member of your lauded 'police force' stepped in with a post implying he was deliberately being untruthful, or he was misremembering.

That's what you were defending on the thread. Just so's to keep everything clean and well lighted.

I'm aware there's a segment of humanity and a segment of the posters on this DB who believe they're possessed of enough wisdom to allow them to protect others from themselves. Your comment here reaffirms what you've already said on the thread, that you are one such person.

What you believe or don't believe is of no concern to me, as it pertains to spiritual matters. But I'll confess I'll probably enjoy the LP more in the future knowing there's only some percentage of the posters here, not all of them, that you and your 'police' feel the need to protect.

Maybe those folks in need of protection ought to be advised of who they are so you can be properly appreciated.

Jack

visiondude:

I took the trouble to go read one of your posts the better to get a bead on where you're coming from. Seeing as how you're a dollar player, and I've usually been a $20 player, we're $19 dollars removed from being in agreement on much of anything.

Somewhere in that $19 difference between us the feeling of responsibility for being a moral and judgemental guardian for the site must have been lost (on my end).

Jack