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TV converter box camera and mic, part 2


Last Edited: February 21, 2009, 10:31 pm

In my last entry truecritic had a link to a You Tube video showing that a converter box didn't have a camera and mic.  (Thanks for the link).  Here is a link to that short video...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUi3sA1gdfI .  It's worth watching just for the humor factor.  But the video was horrendous with poor lighting, no mention of brand name and other problems.  The comments were hilarious.  From that video, it has not been disproven that Magnavox boxes contain them.  We can't say the myth is busted just yet.  I'm a little surprised that truecritic was convinced from this particular video.

Chances are very good that the video I originally linked to was a fake and the guy glued these components on...that wouldn't surprise me on You Tube.  My son's buddy's dad has two boxes.  I  don't know the brands yet, but he's going to take them apart and see if they have them.  He's an electronics tech for Fermilab so he will know what to look for and how it's configured if there is one.  I'm hoping they are Magnovox because that's the brand in the original video and as you'll see below, Magnavox has a questionable background.

I did a little checking on Magnavox.  Their full name is Magnavox Government and Industrial Electronics Company.

Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry for Magnavox:


The defense group, centered around Fort Wayne, IN, remained independent under the Magnavox Electronic Systems name, first under Philips and later in the Carlyle Group, until it was acquired by Hughes Electronics in 1995.[1]The three areas of business of the MESC operation during the late 80sand early 90s were C-Cubed (Command, Control, and Communication),Electronic Warfare, and Sonobuoys. When Hughes Electronics sold itsaerospace and defense operations to Raytheon, the former Magnavox defense operations were transferred as well.[citation needed] Shortly thereafter, Raytheon spun off the sonobuoy operation to form Under Sea Systems Inc, now Ultra-USSI in Columbia City, IN. The remainder of the operations now falls under Raytheon's Network Centric Systems in Fort Wayne, IN.

Among the defense products Magnavox manufactured the AN/ARC-164 UHF radio,AN/SSQ-53 series sonobuoys, AN/ALQ-128 EW equipment, AN/SSQ-62 seriessonobuoys, and the Advanced Field Artillery Data System (AFATDS).[2]


I didn't post the whole entry but at no point in the entry was the parent company referred to (Magnavox Government and Industrial Electronics Company).  I found that kind of weird as the entry goes into detail of the company's history and evolution.  But wikipedia is full of misinformation/disinformation.  What did jump out at me was the Carlyle Group and Ratheon.  Anyone familiar with the Carlyle Group probably knows why my suspicions are now piqued.  Ratheon is a major (if not the biggest?) defense contractor in the US.

Why is a government defense contractor making TV converter boxes that millions of households have to get in order to watch TV?  As far as I'm concerned the jury is still out whether the boxes have mics and cameras.  Now that I know a little history behind the company, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the claim is true.

One of the commenters at the debunker's You Tube video had an interesting link you might want to check out regarding this analog to digital conversion and cameras, mics in TV's.


Remember there is no such thing as a conspiracy theory.  It is just a theory that has been labeled as a conspiracy by someone who wants to debunk a theory with an adjective rather than factual proof or logic.  If detectives operated on that premise, no crimes would get solved.

Entry #181


truecriticComment by truecritic - February 21, 2009, 10:32 pm
After viewing your original video. I located it on YouTube. Next, I opened up my Magnavox. Actually, I have 2 of them. There was no camera or mic. I then looked at some of the related videos shown on YouTube and found the one saying no camera.

So, true to form for me, I personally did confirm that my 2 converters are free of spying stuff.
Rick GComment by Rick G - February 21, 2009, 10:38 pm
Thanks truecritic...now we're getting somewhere. I'm still suspicious of this company though. I appreciate your input on this. Looks like the myth is busted. I'm still hoping my son can look at one of these. He'll be able to track every component and its function in the box.
Rick GComment by Rick G - February 21, 2009, 10:44 pm
P.S. @ truecritic...I thought you were convinced by that video...lol...good studio lighting, eh?
truecriticComment by truecritic - February 22, 2009, 12:48 am
Sorry, I should have posted more details the first time around.

Lucky he had a flashlight! :)
I can't believe someone would attempt to put something like that online anywhere. You really couldn't tell anything until he used the flashlight.

I do like to confirm things myself. This camera idea is something that could be true. Similar to a nanny cam idea.
justxploringComment by justxploring - February 22, 2009, 4:11 am
I have a Magnavox 32" TV. It is not digital, but it's a great picture. So far I see no difference in the picture since our local stations converted. I don't have a converter box, since I pay (way too much) for Comcast Cable. I will not take apart my TV to see if little men are hiding in my TV set. I think there might be a poltergeist in my dryer, however, but so far he's only stealing my socks.
Rick GComment by Rick G - February 22, 2009, 9:41 am
This could be an example of disinformation...: false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth.

A listening device or camera "could be" installed. If they "were" installed, the components would not be so obvious that someone could unscrew the cover and easily spot them. They would be hidden well.

The disinformation: contrasting findings by You Tubers = confusion = conspiracy theory = move on people, nothing to see here.

Confusion and division of opinion is a tool all intelligence services use to obfuscate the truth. There are many people whose full time job description could be listed as "internet shill". Sometimes they are readily apparent, sometimes not.

Here's an example. Hal Turner. from wikipedia: "Harold Charles "Hal" Turner is an American white nationalist and white supremacist from North Bergen, New Jersey. He ran his program, The Hal Turner Show, as a webcast from his home once a week, and depended on donations from his listeners. He quit the show in July 2008. In August his website also closed down, though he retains a blog.

Turner has often made news for his extreme right-wing views. He promotes antisemitism (including the rounding up and killing of Jews)[1] and opposes the existence of the state of Israel.[2] He also denies the Holocaust.[3] In 2005, Turner organized what he billed as a "rally against violence" after a white student was beaten by a black student at a high school. In 2006, he got into a fight with Jaime Vazquez, a former Jersey City deputy mayor, after Vazquez called him a racist coward. Turner has made numerous threats against political figures on his website and in other forums."

Guess what? Hal Turner was outed as an FBI informant in January by people who hacked his site and intercepted some emails between him and his handler.

Take NOTHING at face value.
time*treatComment by time*treat - February 22, 2009, 12:48 pm
@Rick: Remember Hal showing the Dan Carr fantasy coins as the real Amero? Relatively easy to debunk. Meanwhile the CFR (from their own writings, that I've linked to before) proceeds planning the real thing, but you have to dig for it. When the topic comes up, the idea is dismissed because the "fakes" have already been outed. In other words, who is to say the next version won't have the goods inside; long after people have stopped looking for them.

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