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I have a lot of respect for missionaries, for people who burn with a faith that requires
them to attempt to share the joy of faith with others, even when their zeal is for a faith I
don’t subscribe to.  I’m glad whenever I see anyone consumed with recognition that
there’s more to life than the landscape, the sorrows, the trials, the baggage of human daily

I have even more respect for those gutsy Christian missionaries who took their zeal into
remote areas of the earth without regard for their own personal safety, even though that
respect doesn’t extend to ignoring the damage they’ve wrought on local religions and
cultures, the hate they’ve caused to be focused on their own religion, their own countries
of origin. 

We all make mistakes.

A few years ago I saw a motorcycle gang going down the highway, a typical gang in
dingy leathers, could have been any gang of outlaw bikers.  But the legend on their vests
was “BIKERS FOR CHRIST”.  I smiled to myself and saluted them in my mind.

Having said that, I’ll also say that I have a middling respect for the Christian faith, a lot
of respect for the Christian thinkers of history, almost no respect for modern Christian
doctrine, and a profound respect for the destruction brought about by Christian
evangelism throughout the past 2000 years.

I don’t want to learn about Christianity (or any other religion) from mindless parrots
knocking on my front door in an attempt to convert me to their way of thinking.  I don’t
want to be accosted by hare-brained Hari Krisnas and their bastardized On-The-Rebound-
From-Drug-Addiction-New-Faith when I’m trying to get into a public airport.  I don’t
want to be disturbed by the testimonials of some lunatic who claims to have a hot-line to
God when I’m sitting in my vehicle waiting for a red light to change and allow me to

I’m glad these people have faith.  I share their joy in that regard.  But I don’t want to hear
about it.

And I’d far rather not read about it when I’m browsing Lottery Post.

The (mostly unpaying) users (read, abusers) of this site who attempt to spread their
gospel on the threads by interjecting religious thread-drift strike me as an unnecessary
and unwanted distraction. 

It seems to me there’s a simple solution.  Most DBs include a button to allow any user to
click an ‘Ignore’ button beside a posters name and purge any posts by that person from
all future intrusions into the attention of the person clicking the button.

By that method the Lottery Post users who prefer to be spared from the religious zeal of
any particular poster can do so without having to experience the reduction of joy for the
zealot that results from the rudeness and arrogance of evangelism.

Just a bit of venting, along with a not-so-subtle suggestion.




Entry #144


ToddComment by Todd - July 13, 2005, 1:38 pm
Well, as a Christian myself, I can't say I agree with everything you've said, but your "Ignore Button" idea is interesting.

Right now, the only way to block someone is to block them from PMing you. Are you saying that You should further have the ability to ignore any forum postings by someone you specify?

Maybe a good way to do that would be to list the posts in a thread like always, and when there's a post by someone you're blocking, show just the person's name in that place, with the entire contents of their post "collapsed", so you can't see it. Then, I could put a little "expand" button next to that post, so that if you're really curious, you can still access the message.

That's a neat idea, except the one thing that cannot be controlled is if someone Quotes the text posted by that person. You'll still see the quoted text.

Comment by Rip Snorter - July 13, 2005, 2:04 pm
Are you saying that You should further have the ability to ignore any forum postings by someone you specify?
Hi Todd:
Thanks for the reply. I'd like to have that option, like for others to have that option for not encountering my own posts. But I understand the limits of what's possible without a lot of work to get it done.
It really ain't a big deal, but it's a minor irritant that sometimes causes me to feel the need to scratch. Lot's of mosquitoes and fleas in this life, and sometimes a person just has to live with them, try to be grateful for their bites.
konaneComment by konane - July 13, 2005, 7:11 pm
Good suggestion, Rip!! Todd I've seen what you're talking about on other forums ... understand about not being able to avoid quoted text but think we could just close our eyes!! If it isn't too much programming trouble would imagine many users would like to have that feature available rather than becoming offended and stop frequenting LP. Thanks much for giving it consideration!
Comment by Rip Snorter - July 13, 2005, 8:45 pm
Thanks for the comment Konane:
I'd like to hope no one would be offended enough by being bombarded with the religious preferences of others to leave LP with that as the cause. LPs a good site, and hopefully Todd will be as tolerant when non-Christians take this conduct as an invitation to evangelize their own religious view on LP.

However, I'd certainly feel obliged to duck out of the resulting brawl, preferably by clicking a button to remove such conflicts from my awareness.

The reviewer forum on Amazon has a feature that allows DB users to do what I've described, so I know the technology is out there. Just a matter of whether it would be a lot of trouble.
visiondudeComment by visiondude - July 13, 2005, 8:46 pm
you guys ought to exercise self control. no one makes you read anything. you read it (and respond) because you can't help yourselves. i don't read things that don't interest/irritate me, so why the big deal? you read it and then respond because in some hallway of your minds, you somehow think it might be a possibility to silence "us". what a pathetic waste of written space.

i'll tell you what the big deal is. it's your little game that you guys play in order to attempt to silence the voice of Christians. i know your game and as long as i have anything to say about it, that won't happen. that belief system is shared by many at LP, not just the ones who are afraid of confrontation with you two. look back at the threadwhere you lost your mind RIP, i merely shared what i believed as it applied to MY LIFE as it pertains to the lottery. i NEVER said that others had tobelieve that way. and what i said is shared by others in here so too bad for you. if you don't like it, don't read it. if you try andattempt at silencing anyone in here when it comes to thier beliefs, then the fight is on.

jack don't think any highly of yourself than you ought. if you even think there is a remote possibility of you being able to silence people that have beliefs contrary to yours, you are sadly mistaken. "we" will always prevail, and you, you are more than free to spew your own.

now if you want a wrestling match, then i am your man. i don't back down to anyone. you may be able to use your abilities to communicate well as a means of intimidation to some, but i have never met a man/woman that can steer me in any other direction than i know that i should go. and you my newest little adversary, are no match compared to my resolve. so turn the page.

if you want a wrestling match, you got it. you want to play your little game of censorship, no problem. just keep it up. but fold i will not.

you guys are the ones crying/complaining. you don't here me complaining about all the garbage that you are coming around the corner with. most people have no idea what you two are really into. i do i am not afraid to spill it if you take me to that level.

you came gunning for me first jack. you posted your venom about me first. so now that you have me, now you are going to get whatever you "want" coming to you. i am not a afraid like most christians are when it comes to the intimidation of people like you. if anything, people like you only strengthen my resolve.

so my advice, either drop it and don't read it. or prepare yourself for a battle. there ain't no way that you will succeed.

many before you have tried and many will. and you my newest little playmate, will fail like those that have come before you.

your turn...

Comment by Rip Snorter - July 13, 2005, 8:52 pm
Does it become more obvious why I'd like to see an ignore button? Prosecution rests. If this is what you want LP to be, when my membership's up, I'm out of here.
Comment by Rip Snorter - July 13, 2005, 9:05 pm
I do my best to suffer fools joyfully. I've explained my position as carefully as I can, both in the above post, and on at least one thread. I have no intention of 'battling' you. Your faith isn't a concern of mine.

Having said that, I'll also say I'd love my life better than I do already if I could somehow avoid ever having to deal with people such as you. That's why I want an ignore button to silence your mindless drivel.
visiondudeComment by visiondude - July 13, 2005, 9:19 pm
wow. playing the stiff arm tactic on the boss so that he will cave because you don't agree with someone else. now your sounding like some child who isn't gonna get his way, and decides to throw himself down on the floor in a fit hoping the "parent" will buy it and change his mind.

two simple things jack considering i will be staying;
(1) you use your self control and skip over what me and others have to say that irritates you so. you gain a little respect for the fact that someone else espouses a belief opposite of yours (no matter how it is delivered). which is a byproduct of people that actually have self control.

(2) don't open doors for me to walk thru. while i don't kick down doors, if someone like you opens one, i will walk right thru it. stay on your side of the post, and i will stay on my side (unless you invite me to the "dance") ....such as you have been doing. on that, you can guarantee that i will respond and defend what i and OTHERS believe.

Comment by Rip Snorter - July 13, 2005, 9:21 pm
Go away visiondude.
You are in danger of causing me to forget myself long enough to deal with you.
visiondudeComment by visiondude - July 13, 2005, 9:37 pm
as long as you oppose my right to say what i want, you and i shall have at it.

don't give me that baloney that "your faith isn't a concern of mine". thats backpeddling on your obvious agenda. if it wasn't, then you wouldn't have turned up the heat hot enough for which to get me and others silenced. that was your intended goal. your goal should have been to disagree with what i believe, and leave it at that no matter how much it irritates you (If it doesn't concern you).

but you somehow think that you are going to silence us, and that will not happen.

i have been fairly patient with you guys when you pull this stuff, but now i have had enough. the gloves are off and it's to whatever level you want to take it. i am not afraid of anything you think that you can bring to the table. i will defend mine and others position and i will go to whatever length i have to.

you will determine that level.

as for me. i have been around awhile and i intend on staying until i am finished with what God has called me to do in here. you can fight against that all you want...or you can stay on your side of the board.

Comment by Rip Snorter - July 13, 2005, 9:45 pm
Get thee behind me, Satan.
Comment by luckierlady - July 13, 2005, 10:02 pm
Visiondude doesn't seem to understand the desire to ignore him as opposed to the desire to silence him as a Christian.
Nobody should be silenced, but it would be great to be able to ignore someone's posts. I hope Todd can figure out how to set this up. I for one would use it for other reasons than the "religion" issue, as well. There are some posters that I simply cannot understand because of the manner of their writing, to the point that I wonder what reality they're in...no point in fogging my brain by running my mind over the letters on the page.
Go for it, Todd.
Comment by Rip Snorter - July 13, 2005, 10:15 pm
Beating a dead horse here, luckierlady. Todd's going to do whatever he thinks is best for the site. You can do what you think's best, I'll do what I think's best, and visiondude can do whatever he thinks is best.

There's nothing that can go on on a computer screen that's worth anyone allowing their blood-pressure to go up half a degree. The internet's chock full of people who bear all the earmarks of insanity. I like to think I'm one of them, and it's clear to me that visiondude probably belongs in an asylum in the room next to mine. God help.
ToddComment by Todd - July 13, 2005, 10:50 pm
I guess I do need to make that button, if nothing else just to keep the peace. ;-)

It is difficult to maintain decorum on sensitive topics like religion when two opposites make their opinions heard forcefully. Just human nature.

Honestly, I had never even thought of this option, and I really don't see anything wrong with it, because it doesn't silence anyone's ability to post what they want (as long as they don't break the rules). I see it much like changing the radio station channel, because you don't like the shock jock on the air.

It would probably have been better (in the proverbial 20/20 hindsight) to just request the feature without saying which type of posts you didn't like to read, because now it makes it look like I'm introducing the feature in order to silence people like VisionDude, WHICH I'M NOT.

I happen to like VisionDude, even if he does get up on the pulpit now and again.

I think this feature request may make everyone happy. I'll see what I can do.

Comment by Rip Snorter - July 13, 2005, 11:01 pm
visiondudeComment by visiondude - July 13, 2005, 11:51 pm
todd, i appreciate that you are always fair (even to the degree that you make allowances for people to disagree with you).

given that fact, i wouldn't have taken it personal if you had created that feature
Comment by Rip Snorter - July 13, 2005, 11:59 pm
Maybe you dudes can continue this somewhere besides on this blog.
visiondudeComment by visiondude - July 14, 2005, 12:04 am
(i accidently hit the "add comment" button before i was done).
continueing from below where i left off;

before you had mentioned that it could be construed that you were because of me. i don't mind a "button" that allows someone to not have to view what i write. i have told these people countless times to not read it if they don't like it.

what i would have minded was you allowing these guys to bully me and others into silence. you are fair and i respect that.

now jack, i will take that room next to you anyday.

Comment by Rip Snorter - July 14, 2005, 12:05 am
Go to hell sh*thead
visiondudeComment by visiondude - July 14, 2005, 2:55 am
i was jack.   found out a u-turn was possible. took the high road on that one.

dang. it's hot enough in the summer where i live. can't imagine what a literal hell must be like. sometimes it feels like it.

here's to you jack not going there either (symbolically clanging beer buddy emotiocons that don't exist here in the blog area)

vision myheadisofaveragesize dude

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