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Another scam victim regrets his mistakes

Mar 24, 2005, 11:21 am

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Dale E. Gilbert wants people to learn from his mistakes. He wants them to know how he got scammed in a lottery deal.  Papers in hand, Gilbert laid out the evidence. Now he owes a local bank nearly $1,000.

It started when he received an official looking notice from Euromillones loteria International of Spain that he had won money from a lottery.

The letter detailed the winning ticket number, serial number, and lottery numbers which had allowed Gilbert to win over $1.3 million in cash.

Gilbert was asked to keep the information confidential until his claim was processed. He had until Feb. 20, 2005 to claim his prize as outlined in the letter dated Oct. 11, 2004. Details of the claim process were contained in the letter.

The first hitch was that I was asked to send $1,500 in order to get the winnings out of a holding bank in Canada, Gilbert explained.

When he didnt respond, he was called a week later by Harold Wilson of New York and asked if he is a senior citizen. Wilson claimed to have financial help for senior citizens, and the claim money was reduced to $946.

Gilbert accepted the assistance and received a check in the amount of $946, which he was told to cash and send the proceeds by Money Gram to an address in Oflta, British Columbia. Gilbert complied.

He awaited receipt of his fortune.

Then the fraudulent check bounced. The account in British Columbia had been closed. No lottery in Canada were the words he received when he inquired.

Gilbert attempted to call the number given him by Harold Wilson in New York, and found it to be fictitious.

A letter he sent to Spain, the return address on the initial letter, was returned unopened.

Gilbert began to suspect a scam. The evidence mounted.

His fears were realized, and he was left holding the bag.

Now he is forced to cash in an insurance policy to pay the money back to the local bank.

Gilberts message to others is, Whoever is told to send the money to a certain address should check out the lottery to be sure it is legitimate, he said. If you honestly cash a dishonest check, its your responsibility to pay it back.

He added, Dont get hooked like I did. They send a check and you cash it, and send money back to them. You have to make the check good.

Mike Reed, interim postmaster at the Paris Post office, estimates that at least 12 persons in the Paris area have received such letters in recent months.

One person was bilked out of $3,600 and is now paying it back to the bank. Reed said. This particular person was contacted from Nigeria.

In turn, Reed published a warning in the local newspapers, and went to financial institutions to train employees about the markings on legitimate money orders.

Sometimes the recipients are longtime customers of the bank, and therefore are trusted when presenting a check, said Reed. But the customer does not know the check is fraudulent.

Once the recipient cashes a check or money order in a scam, they are given specific directions as to where to mail the money transfer.

The letters are showing up everywhere and the U.S. Post office Inspection Service is looking into the matter, Reed said. They arrive not only through the postal service but also through e-mails, complete with electronic chats and pictures.

If they use the U.S. Mail, that allows the Post Office Inspection Service to become involved, said Reed. But the process is very difficult because they are operating from a different country.

He advises that if someone receives a suspected fraudulent letter, they call 1-800-askUSPS with questions, or report to the local post office.

He reminds people that, If something seems too good to be true, it is. If all you have to do is cash a check to earn money, be suspicious.

Paris police detective Jeff Goodwin said his department is aware of such scams and has had some reported in the community within the last two years.

His advice, Throw the letter away and do not give it credence.

These are scams, he noted, but there is very little authorities can do about them because they operate from other countries and are out of legal jurisdiction.

The best defense, he said, is to warn people not to participate.

People will not get rich quick in this way, and people should not fall for it. They need to get rid of the initial letter and forget it.

If people really want to try to get rich quick, Illinois lottery tickets are reputable, and the best way to go, Goodwin said.

He doesnt promise a win, but he does promise it is not a scam.

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11 comments. Last comment 15 years ago by MillionsWanted.
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United States
Member #3676
February 10, 2004
425 Posts
Posted: March 24, 2005, 12:50 pm - IP Logged

Haha I would ssay the Illinois lottery is a scam too!

    United States
    Member #11761
    February 23, 2005
    174 Posts
    Posted: March 24, 2005, 2:55 pm - IP Logged

    The Illinois lottery may not be a scam, but if he played the Illinois Lottery, he would end up losing a lot more than $946...

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      Nassau NP Bahamas
      Member #12302
      March 10, 2005
      1 Posts
      Posted: March 24, 2005, 3:41 pm - IP Logged

      all i can say that when something sounds to good to be true ,it is


      Francis Bain

      Nassau NP Bahamas

        United States
        Member #1610
        June 3, 2003
        668 Posts
        Posted: March 24, 2005, 5:15 pm - IP Logged
        Quote: Originally posted by damienbain on March 24, 2005

        all i can say that when something sounds to good to be true ,it is


        Francis Bain

        Nassau NP Bahamas

        Send money to collect winnings? = very big red flag!! I feel sorry for those who were scammed since the warning signals were there and yet they still somehow failed to see them.

        ... the lottery never fails to surprise!
          Badger's avatar - adu50016 NorthAmericanBadger.jpg
          United States
          Member #1303
          March 27, 2003
          1508 Posts
          Posted: March 24, 2005, 10:13 pm - IP Logged

          Wait a minute, fols. This guy may be a senior citizen (and by definition I guess I am also) but his comments tend to show he's not a senile senior citizen.

          So the first question one asks oneself when yuo get something like this is.....Did I enter any such lottery?

          Nobody wins a lottery they never entered.  Case closed. He should have known then.

          It's like the old saying....."They said I was gullible. And I believed them."


          How can you tell if a politician is lying?

          Answer: His lips are moving.

            Lee's Summit, Mo.
            United States
            Member #6519
            August 26, 2004
            192 Posts
            Posted: March 25, 2005, 12:42 am - IP Logged

            Mr. Gilbert, I always thought that when you win a lottery, they send you money...you don't send them money.

              jeffrey's avatar - moon
              Hamilton, OH
              United States
              Member #4162
              March 27, 2004
              277 Posts
              Posted: March 25, 2005, 3:51 am - IP Logged

              How many times does this have to happen before people wise up?

              I wish these bastards would get caught and be tortured on public tv until they are dead.

                beltsville, md
                United States
                Member #2846
                November 21, 2003
                15 Posts
                Posted: March 26, 2005, 8:54 am - IP Logged

                scams like these are here to stay as long as a sucker is born every minute...

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                  United States
                  Member #12278
                  March 9, 2005
                  3 Posts
                  Posted: March 27, 2005, 12:13 am - IP Logged

                  Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't have given my debit card and social security # out when Banco de Panama sent me an email saying they needed to verify my account. 


                  ...some people will never learn.  Gilbert is the reason why scams like this exist.

                    New Mexico
                    United States
                    Member #12305
                    March 10, 2005
                    2984 Posts
                    Posted: March 27, 2005, 9:05 am - IP Logged

                    Goes to prove evolution theory is flawed.  Gilbert stayed alive on this planet long enough to reproduce and grow old.  Probably has kids running around somewhere buying cheap land in Florida and bridges between Manhattan and Brooklyn. .

                    We all get emails a dozen times a week telling us about lotteries we've won, but never bought tickets for.  Ever answered any of them?


                      MillionsWanted's avatar - 24Qa6LT

                      Member #9517
                      December 10, 2004
                      1723 Posts
                      Posted: March 29, 2005, 9:10 am - IP Logged

                      Why, Oh Why doesn't people think when they get the message about winning the lottery?

                      Valid questions to ask:

                      Did I buy tickets in that lottery?

                      Why do they want money from me to transfer money TO me? Why not just deduct money from the prize?