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New lawsuit claims Indiana Lottery did not award all prizes

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justxploring's avatar - villiarna
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Posted: January 7, 2007, 5:31 pm - IP Logged

I Agree!

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    Posted: January 7, 2007, 6:05 pm - IP Logged

    If I could afford to spend $40,000 on scratch-off tickets, I wouldn't be spending $40,000 on scratch-off tickets.

    I agree 40,000 times , Aye !!!!!

     

                                   

                  

     

     

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      Posted: January 7, 2007, 6:14 pm - IP Logged

      There are those who will say if they had an extra $10, they wouldn't spend it on a lottery ticket.  There were others included in the complaint that claimed they spent over a $1,000 on those tickets, it's all relative to the amount of money you have to spend.

      No, it's not "all relative." I'm saying that if I could afford to spend $40,000 on scratch-offs, that in itself would pretty well obviate the need or desire to do so. If I couldn't afford the $40,000 to spend on scratch-offs, it wouldn't be an issue at all for me.

      There are lots of people of greater and lesser means who choose to play or not play lottery games, but there's not necessarily a direct correlation between the amount they spend and the amount they have available to spend. 

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        Posted: January 7, 2007, 6:24 pm - IP Logged

        This has to be one of the most bizarre stories I've ever heard. $40k on scratchers? Wow...first of all, he needs his head examined. But, I do understand that he did the math, based on the number of top prizes available, and the odds of the overall game, and decided that if he had purchased that many, he would at least break-even. I get that. I still think his math was off though.

        Now, for the lottery itself, this is another situation like the California case. There should be some sort of restitution based on what he bought. There is no way he could get 4000 losers in a row without some sort of tainting of the game. Just when you think the Hoosier Lottery couldn't do anything more stupid than they already have, they prove you wrong, yet again.

        The problem is a loser is still a loser, not matter how 'close' you get, or how many tickets you buy.

         

        They GAMBLED and they LOST, send them to Vegas for the weekend and see how long they last there. 

          RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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          Posted: January 7, 2007, 6:32 pm - IP Logged

          This has to be one of the most bizarre stories I've ever heard. $40k on scratchers? Wow...first of all, he needs his head examined. But, I do understand that he did the math, based on the number of top prizes available, and the odds of the overall game, and decided that if he had purchased that many, he would at least break-even. I get that. I still think his math was off though.

          Now, for the lottery itself, this is another situation like the California case. There should be some sort of restitution based on what he bought. There is no way he could get 4000 losers in a row without some sort of tainting of the game. Just when you think the Hoosier Lottery couldn't do anything more stupid than they already have, they prove you wrong, yet again.

          Lotteries don't want people to win big by spending a lot of money because then people with less won't play and there are more of them.  Years ago when the Virgina lottery was won by an investment group that tried to buy every combinations when the jackpot cash amount exceeded the odds of winning they changed the rules for buying tickets so that could never happen again.

          Recently Ohio Cash5 had a cash jackpot of nearly $900K with odds of 1:575K of being won, but no one tried to buy all the combinations as far as I know.  When groups invest a large sum of money in a lottery and lose, they are going to want transparency on how the lottery operates while players who lose less than $200 are going to be content to contribute their losses to bad luck and forget about it. 

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            Posted: January 7, 2007, 8:14 pm - IP Logged

            It is my opinion that : If this case made it to the courts without being tossed out as frivilous or ludicrious , then there is merit to this case. Its not for one adult to tell another HOW to spend their money. It is our place to tell the lottery business that reaps in millions that they have a responisbility to advertise correctly and not grossly represent a current game.

            I dont begrudge these guys for getting their day in court, whether it was two dollars or 40k, the courts are hearing the ISSUE at hand. Will indeed be interesting to read what the court decides...

            ~~Give Freely and Blessings will Come..:1116,666x,2226,000,0841

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              Posted: January 7, 2007, 8:57 pm - IP Logged

              The Hoosier Lottery seems to be saying there not much difference between slim and none.  If your chances of winning a big prize are slim then if the prize never exists  then your chances aren't effected enough to complain. 

              In other words when you enter a lottery game that they tell you your chances of losing are 95% what they really mean is your chances of losing are 95% ± 5%.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: January 8, 2007, 2:26 am - IP Logged

                About 60,000 prizes weren't available that people were buying these tickets for," Waples said. "They said, 'Oops, sorry.' "

                The Hoosier Lottery has admitted to overstating cash prizes in a statement on its Web site.

                The lottery attributes the problem to a mistake in printing by the lottery's scratch-off vendor that affected up to 2.5 million tickets, which amounted to about $25 million spent on the potentially defective tickets.

                However, the lottery maintains that the odds of winning were not compromised.

                How in the world did they figure the odds were NOT compromised?  Somebody must be in La-la Land.  The Odds at that point were slim to none.

                The article doesn't provide enough information, but it's entirely possible that the odds weren't compromised. If the available prizes were reduced by 25% and the number of available tickets was also reduced by 25% the odds would remain the same. If the proper odds were clearly listed, but the number of prizes was listed incorrectly the odds wouldn't change, but anyone trying to calculate odds based on available prizes and the number of tickets remaining to be sold would get the wrong answer.

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                  Posted: January 8, 2007, 2:51 am - IP Logged

                  This has to be one of the most bizarre stories I've ever heard. $40k on scratchers? Wow...first of all, he needs his head examined. But, I do understand that he did the math, based on the number of top prizes available, and the odds of the overall game, and decided that if he had purchased that many, he would at least break-even. I get that. I still think his math was off though.

                  Now, for the lottery itself, this is another situation like the California case. There should be some sort of restitution based on what he bought. There is no way he could get 4000 losers in a row without some sort of tainting of the game. Just when you think the Hoosier Lottery couldn't do anything more stupid than they already have, they prove you wrong, yet again.

                  He doesn't need his head examined, he needs it adjusted because there was never a guarantee. I'm firmly in the camp that figures anyone who can afford to "invest" $40k in something that will almost certainly be a losing investment doesn't need to play the lottery. As far as his math,he may have been right , but the article doesn't have enough factual information to know. I'll assume the game was supposed to return 50% of the ticket cost as prizes. If  20% of tickets were unsold and 40% or more of the prizes were still available you should expect to at least break even *on average*.

                  Without hearing more information I don't know if refunds might be warranted, but buying 4000 losers does nothing to indicate a problem with the game. You could buy all but 1 combination for MM or PB and still lose if the winning combination happens to be the one you didn't buy. That's the part he clearly didn't appreciate. The numbers that are in the article suggest he should have expected to lose money, but probability guarantees that losing was a possibility even if all of the prizes were still available, as long as the remaining tickets included 8000 losers.

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                    Posted: January 8, 2007, 3:11 am - IP Logged

                    when the lottery's reports that there are so many unsold tickets remaining in a scratch game and said tickets are supposedly several of the highest tier tickets. implying that the top tier tickets are still not sold yet. it implies that they are aware said tickets haven't been sold. Some people might deliberately go out and try and buy all the remaining tickets as this fellow did.

                    the article states he did his homework about the remaining tickets and with good intentions he purchased 40 grand worth of tickets. Shoulda won coulda won, but didn't win any substantial amount and took action to recover his money based on the fact that there must not have been any jackpot tickets remaining since all the tickers were accounted for and the so called remaining jackpot prizes weren't clamed.

                    i think the guy is justified in doing what he did in fact i think he should not only recover his money but get some more for uncovering a flaw in the game and misconduct on the lottery and ticket printers part.

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                      Posted: January 8, 2007, 5:51 am - IP Logged

                      I think the point is being missed,  the Hoosier lottery got caught cheating!

                      With all the technology that is available,  there is no excuse for the state

                      to think prizes are still available and report them to be available on their

                      web site when that is not the case.  If I buy a MM ticket in Illinois the state

                      of Georgia knows what numbers I have chosen.  They know if they have a winner

                      and what states it comes out of in a matter of minutes and thats not just for

                      jackpot prizes.  So I know scratchers can be tracked the same way and they only

                      have to worry about their 1 state.  I think it was false advertising,  if they didnt report

                      all those prizes still being available then all of those tickets would not have sold.  It would

                      have to take someone to buy 40,000 worth to expose the truth,  thats the gamble the

                      Hoosier Lottery took and they lost.  Hope they loose in court as well!   

                      Men Lie Women Lie Numbers Dont

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                        Posted: January 8, 2007, 9:01 am - IP Logged

                        According to the complaint filed in the lawsuit: http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/pdfs/Complaint.pdf
                        One of the plaintiffs, Jeff Frazer purchased no fewer than 4,000 none winning tickets after reading on the Hoosier Lottery website June 22,2006 that 80% of the "Cash Blast" tickets had been sold and seven (7) top prizes of $250,000 , seventy-five prizes of $10,000 and thousands of prizes of $50 and more were yet to be claimed.  Two weeks later on July 7,2006 the numbers of prizes on the website were decreased to one top prize of $250,000 and ten prizes of $10,000 and no one had claimed any prizes leading the plaintiffs to conclude the prizes never existed.

                        It's not unusual for some one to buy a whole roll of scratch-off, several LP members claimed they or a group of friends have done it.  I understand a roll contain 500-1000 tickets so it should be fairly easy to check if Mr Frazer tickets are from 4-8 rolls or if they are just a bunch of losing tickets from all over the place.

                        RJOh gave a link to the pdf of the lawsuit which makes some highly interesting points.  It's no more difficult to read than the article. 

                         http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/pdfs/Complaint.pdf

                        Good luck to everyone!

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                          The first problem is who spends 40 GRAND on scratch-offs? Wouldn't he be still to this day be checking them? Even the 2nd guy over 2 GRAND? The second problem is that scratch-offs normally state how many of the big prizes are still floating around BUT not saying how many NON-winners are, meaning the actual odds of a big prize could be whatever! WHICH IS WHY I stay away from the things most of the time.

                          "That one.. Cash Blast"
                          "Yes, sir, how many?"
                          "Give me four..."
                          "four?"
                          "...thousand. Four thousand, please."
                          "ok here you go, that'll be 40 thousand dollars.. good luck!" (beeping noise from forklift carrying out rolls of tickets)

                          LMAO  Now that was funny.... I wonder if his insurance covers Carpal Tunnel for his wrist when he is done =))  Any who this IS gonna be vewy vewy interesting I Agree!

                          Hopin To Be The Lucky Ones!!

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                            Posted: January 8, 2007, 10:43 am - IP Logged

                            Tee Hee hee  I love this man he always knows his   * bleep*    Heya RJOH!!!!!!!

                            Hopin To Be The Lucky Ones!!

                            COME ON MEGA! MEGA-ME-RICH!

                             

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                              Posted: January 8, 2007, 1:06 pm - IP Logged

                              What a great case!  I think the plaintiffs will win.

                              All I ever hear is bad news out of the Indiana lottery!  Any good news?