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N.C. lottery store owners, employees winning big and often

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four4me's avatar - gate1
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Some store owners may have picked up on where the winning lottery tickets are in a pack. Be it the front middle or end of the packs. So in theory if thats correct then they could buy the first ten, the middle ten, and the last ten tickets in a book.

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    Some store owners may have picked up on where the winning lottery tickets are in a pack. Be it the front middle or end of the packs. So in theory if thats correct then they could buy the first ten, the middle ten, and the last ten tickets in a book.

    I don't know what all the fuss is about, the store owners and employees have every right to purchase lottery tickets of all kind. I understand they have a greater advantage because they work there or whatever, but they still have to purchase the ticket. Now if I knew a particular store owner was always hitting at their store I would avoid buying s-offs at that store, cause most likely the empolyees or owners would have bought enough to secure a winner, which would leave me with losers. They also have a good advantage at p3& p4 cause they see what players are playing and play the numbers, sometimes hitting, sometimes hitting nothing. P3 & P4 will pay up to a certain point on any one combination anyway , I don't care if somebody write down my numbers and play them, cause it's not going to change what I will get if the numbers come out. I have made friends with some store employees and will ask them if they notice folks playing the same numbers, and someimes they notice and sometimes they don't. A couple of times somebody will come into the store and pluck down $100 for one set of numbers exact, yeah I wanna know what that number is so I can get in on the action. someone came into the store and told the clerk to play 319 for that night draw, she told everybody who was playing, most ignore it, but when she said it to me I wrote 1 exact and 50/50, it hit that night. The bad thing about that was, she (the clerk) forgot to play it and got nothing, although I did tip her for the tip. My point is, if the lottery officials that produces the S-offs, know that they are sending winning tickets to a particular store and is buddies with that store owner or employees, that's a problem, a big problem. I will go into my neighborhood kroger and ask them have anybody won more than $20 on a particular S-off game , before I purchase any of the same games, so I don't end up with a lot of losers. Sometimes they know, sometime they don't, cause some folks take their tickets out the door and don't s-off until they get home. Sometimes I play with the employees, we will buy the same tickets and try to win something and even share in the prize money, cause we peel off alot losers to get to a prize. Well thats my .02 cents, I don't have a problem with it.

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      I do play the lottery, but I am fundamentally opposed to the states running them in the first place. Before the 1970's lotteries were illegal in every state in the US, except perhaps Nevada. A primary reson for laws against lotteries was that bookmakers who ran them were profiting too much buy taking unfair advantage of people. It was marally wrong!!!   When these villains ran the daily lottery a $1 for 3 nmbers paid $700 and 4 numbers paid $7000. the odds of winning are 1000-1 and 10,000-1 respectively. Now the states run them and I would be surprise if any state paid over $6,000 on a 10,000 to 1 bet, and then they tax the winner on the money that everyone that bought a ticket has already them tax on.

      Anyway, the issue at hand: I have always felt uneasy about the fact that I have to give my ticket to a clerk behind the counter to check my ticket when I can't see if it is really my ticket they are running through the machine. I have made mistakes checking scratch tickets to see if I had won because I didn't  understand all the ways to win or didn't see it. If the clerk did not scan "that" ticket I would naver have known that I won and he would cashed it in later wit? any other winners he had.

      The out-of-the-ordinary luck of the store owners who win 10,12 or more jackpots in a year in N. Carolina or anywhere else is easy to explin. And they shold go to jail for it.

      Regardless of the specific details, the jackpots that they won were probably sold at times they were not working or in the store and some of the winning tickets were purchased at other stores and cashed at theirs. Lottery tickets where and when they were purchased and scracth tickets have information on the vendors. I bet all the jackpot winners were not purchased at heir store.

      It is all bar coded. If they had self-serve verification machines it would eliminate this whole problem.

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        I hope the sting operations are forthcoming.  I won't hold my breath because it will probably not happen.  Tom Sheehan don't want to spend the money to do it.  Of course he would say "anything can happen."

        It cost money for these stings.  Dishonest clerks are the main reason I don't buy scratch off tickets, always sign all my winners and never depend on anyone to check for me what hit.

        At least this is a start, sometimes things have to be brought forth over and over before something will be done about it.  With the other sting operations I'm sure the same things had been going on for decades.

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          North Carolina is to dumb to do anything it's a rip off  you can't win that many times

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            Well I have to agree that things seems fishy, but why would Tom Sheehan do anything about it, they're the biggest crooks look at how low their payouts have started being for pick 3 all of a sudden. NCEL can't blame the reason on the economy because they had an increase in sales the past quarter. So to complain about people winning at scratch off's are nothing compared to a lottery system that hold certain numbers from falling for years, by altering the drawings, claiming there's technical difficulties. Now that's who need to be investigated, cause I can promise you where there's a large amount of money involved there's corrupt. But we should already know that, but for all those that don't believe it just start watching the payouts for both p3 and p4.

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              These store employees have an advantage over customers when playing the scrathoffs games. They should not be allowed to play the scratchoff at the store in which they work.  Too many time I have seen customers buy $10, $20, $50 worth of the same scrathoff, scratch them off in the store and they win little to nothing to what they paid out.  Now these clerks noticed this, especially big ticket scratchoffs, so what do they they do - they play it with luck on their side, and BINGO they hit.  Their changes of winning BIG with this system is much higher that a regular customer that do not know how a specific scratchoff is or has paid out - but the clerk knows.  They have an unfair advantage.

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                These store employees have an advantage over customers when playing the scrathoffs games. They should not be allowed to play the scratchoff at the store in which they work.  Too many time I have seen customers buy $10, $20, $50 worth of the same scrathoff, scratch them off in the store and they win little to nothing to what they paid out.  Now these clerks noticed this, especially big ticket scratchoffs, so what do they they do - they play it with luck on their side, and BINGO they hit.  Their changes of winning BIG with this system is much higher that a regular customer that do not know how a specific scratchoff is or has paid out - but the clerk knows.  They have an unfair advantage.

                Store employees are customers too. If I worked in a store I would buy my tickets at that store too! The store employees are not the vendors of the lottery products. They have to purchase products like you or me. I have played scratch offs and  put $20.00 on a particular game  and  another customer has come up behind me and won the bigger prize, so what I suppose to be happy cause that human being didn't work there, heck naw I was still mad about it. The disadvantage is that you maynot have a lot of money to keep putting on the same roll to get to the prize. Sometimes you get lucky with a few bucks and get $50, $100, or $500 like what has happen with me, many times, but I have lost out many times as well.

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                  Well I have to agree that things seems fishy, but why would Tom Sheehan do anything about it, they're the biggest crooks look at how low their payouts have started being for pick 3 all of a sudden. NCEL can't blame the reason on the economy because they had an increase in sales the past quarter. So to complain about people winning at scratch off's are nothing compared to a lottery system that hold certain numbers from falling for years, by altering the drawings, claiming there's technical difficulties. Now that's who need to be investigated, cause I can promise you where there's a large amount of money involved there's corrupt. But we should already know that, but for all those that don't believe it just start watching the payouts for both p3 and p4.

                  I totally agree about the P3, something is smelling bad over there at ncel!!! NC is most repetive state I know of! I wouldn't doubt if theres some corruption going on with those balls. The so call auditors can be bought! Yeah P3 and now P4 is ffishy,ishy!! I also think that cash 5 smells rotten at times too!

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                    These store employees have an advantage over customers when playing the scrathoffs games. They should not be allowed to play the scratchoff at the store in which they work.  Too many time I have seen customers buy $10, $20, $50 worth of the same scrathoff, scratch them off in the store and they win little to nothing to what they paid out.  Now these clerks noticed this, especially big ticket scratchoffs, so what do they they do - they play it with luck on their side, and BINGO they hit.  Their changes of winning BIG with this system is much higher that a regular customer that do not know how a specific scratchoff is or has paid out - but the clerk knows.  They have an unfair advantage.

                    I Agree!

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                      "But Shelby Ozmun's comment — "What are they going to do if they catch you?" — speaks to the enforcement climate in North Carolina."

                      What sort of innocent person would pose such a question? It sounds like they are clever enough to have found a way to abuse the system but are unsure of the consequences if they were ever caught hence the need to ask this question. Or they know full well that they are doing wrong but are just arrogant about it knowing that enforcement is weak and they are unlikely to ever have to face the music.

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                        I totally agree about the P3, something is smelling bad over there at ncel!!! NC is most repetive state I know of! I wouldn't doubt if theres some corruption going on with those balls. The so call auditors can be bought! Yeah P3 and now P4 is ffishy,ishy!! I also think that cash 5 smells rotten at times too!

                        I would be total o.k. if nc was cheating.. I could save lots of money......

                        Then I wouldn't be scammed anymore!

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                          Well I have to agree that things seems fishy, but why would Tom Sheehan do anything about it, they're the biggest crooks look at how low their payouts have started being for pick 3 all of a sudden. NCEL can't blame the reason on the economy because they had an increase in sales the past quarter. So to complain about people winning at scratch off's are nothing compared to a lottery system that hold certain numbers from falling for years, by altering the drawings, claiming there's technical difficulties. Now that's who need to be investigated, cause I can promise you where there's a large amount of money involved there's corrupt. But we should already know that, but for all those that don't believe it just start watching the payouts for both p3 and p4.

                          Could be players are spending their money on pick 4 rather than pick giving less tickets bought in pick 3. Plus pick 4 is harder to hit.
                          This is probably why state lotteries bring in the four game after awhile. Bring in the same amount of money with less payout.

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                            Could be players are spending their money on pick 4 rather than pick giving less tickets bought in pick 3. Plus pick 4 is harder to hit.
                            This is probably why state lotteries bring in the four game after awhile. Bring in the same amount of money with less payout.

                            nc stated they had record amounts of revenue.... i do agree with jasonnc on this on... if you are having record amounts of revenue, where are the payouts? b/c there are none.....

                            as far as cheating goes, my opinon will change from day to day....

                            someone also stated nc is notorious for repeats... that also seems fishy to me.... it is a random game, but shouldn't other number have a random oppurnity to fall also....

                            the balls could be weighted down.... maybe?

                            as far as them prerecording drawings and playing them back as live drawings, i do not believe that is happening....

                            something else is though...

                            it states on the nc website over 918 million transferred to education funds... that was months ago... i am sure it is up 2 over 1 billion now

                            that's why the nc family thinks something is wrong... record number amounts of revenue with low payouts

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                              Could be players are spending their money on pick 4 rather than pick giving less tickets bought in pick 3. Plus pick 4 is harder to hit.
                              This is probably why state lotteries bring in the four game after awhile. Bring in the same amount of money with less payout.

                              everyone I know still plays 95% of their money of pick 3....

                              a little powerball...

                              hardly any scratch off's

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